Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[DKjaigen]

Government should have one job, to restrict actions that harm others.

That's it.

of course you would promote that. After all if we follow your economic plan we would have small group of elites and the rest would be reduced to slaves.

[Felya]

however, you have one thing in common with Marxists however: you quite willing to let millions of people die or left destitute for the sake of ideology.
You are not much better then Marxist when it comes to morals.

US death toll for corona: 177000

Touché... it is what it is...

[Machismo]

How is being a social democrat supporting workers right a controlled economy and capitalism have anything to do with fascism? however, you have one thing in common with Marxists however: you quite willing to let millions of people die or left destitute for the sake of ideology.
You are not much better then Marxist when it comes to morals.

You mean national socialism?

Yeah, I already called you on that one.

Seriously, German dudes preaching national socialism is a bit on the nose, don't you think?

Then again, we already know you despise freedom of speech, and think those who oppose racism and support freedom of speech are immoral and evil.

[DKjaigen]

I literally said that the dow is going up, as unemployment is over 10%? Is that not good enough calculation of earnings? How is 10% unemployment, low? What better paying jobs? What the fuck are you talking about?

You must have a short memory because i remember the times before corona. I cannot blame Trump for the current situation.

White House and Congress clash over liability protections for businesses as firms cautiously weigh virus reopening plans
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...gal-liability/

Figuratively, shitting on the workers, to protect corporations... What is your basis for Trump supporting workers? The fact that he has never worked an honest day in his life and things you need ID to buy groceries? How the fuck does he know what it is to be a worker?

You want these businesses not opening at all then?

[Felya]

@DKjaigen when all those people died under communism... did the economy improve?

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You want these businesses not opening at all then?

No, I want them to open without removing workers rights. You can have safe working environment... you know... if people do their jobs.

[Machismo]

of course you would promote that. After all if we follow your economic plan we would have small group of elites and the rest would be reduced to slaves.

As opposed to national socialism?

Nah, I'll take capitalism... thanks.

[Felya]

You must have a short memory because i remember the times before corona. I cannot blame Trump for the current situation.

You mean the time before Trump wasted a record setting amount on a trade war with China, including cutting pandemic response team? No, I remember very loudly saying that Trump is spending the future to make him self look good. The fact that we can’t afford to deal with corona, is because of what Trump did before corona.

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As opposed to national socialism?

Nah, I'll take capitalism... thanks.

I like how you guys actually agree, but because you don’t support Trump, there is 0 agreement to be had. You must be a marxist... lol

[DKjaigen]

You mean national socialism?

Yeah, I already called you on that one.

Seriously, German dudes preaching national socialism is a bit on the nose, don't you think?

Then again, we already know you despise freedom of speech, and think those who oppose racism and support freedom of speech are immoral and evil.

So you are saying that the western europe is fascist then? and we already know you would love to kill million of people for your economic model.

[Felya]

So you are saying that the western europe is fascist then? and we already know you would love to kill million of people for your economic model.

No, he is saying you two agree on policy... the only difference is obedience to Trump, resulting in you calling him a marxist.

[Machismo]

So you are saying that the western europe is fascist then? and we already know you would love to kill million of people for your economic model.

I'm saying your support of national socialism is fascist. Maybe you should stop trying to support racism, ethno-nationalism... and do a little less opposing of free speech.

Just a thought.

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No, he is saying you two agree on policy... the only difference is obedience to Trump, resulting in you calling him a marxist.

Well, we disagree on policy, because he supports national socialism and ethno-nationalism.

[Felya]

Well, we disagree on policy, because he supports national socialism and ethno-nationalism.

Does he though? I think based on his rhetoric, he believes in free market capitalism and as little government intervention as possible. To me, it seems like if you laid out the actual issues, and remove the parts guided by Trump rhetoric and fear mongering, you two would see eye to eye. I don’t think it was policy disagreement that made him call you a marxist... that would make 0 sense...

[Machismo]

Does he though? I think based on his rhetoric, he believes in free market capitalism and as little government intervention as possible. To me, it seems like if you laid out the actual issues, and remove the parts guided by Trump rhetoric and fear mongering, you two would see eye to eye. I don’t think it was policy disagreement that made him call you a marxist... that would make 0 sense...

Except, he doesn't.

How is being a social democrat supporting workers right a controlled economy and capitalism have anything to do with fascism? however, you have one thing in common with Marxists however: you quite willing to let millions of people die or left destitute for the sake of ideology.
You are not much better then Marxist when it comes to morals.

That, combined with his support of ethno-nationalism, and his utter disdain for free speech is the icing on the cake.

[DKjaigen]

@DKjaigen when all those people died under communism... did the economy improve?

Lol what? are you implying I'm a communist?

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No, I want them to open without removing workers rights. You can have safe working environment... you know... if people do their jobs.

That's not possible without a vaccine or cure to the coronavirus. So you have 2 options you either crash the economy because companies are too afraid to open or you will remove these liabilities. I dont have to like it. But i know the other option is much worse.

[Felya]

Except, he doesn't.

I honestly have no clue what that post meant...

[Machismo]

I honestly have no clue what that post meant...

It's similar to previous German national socialist worker parties of yesteryear...

Apparently, he's a history buff.

[DKjaigen]

Does he though? I think based on his rhetoric, he believes in free market capitalism and as little government intervention as possible. To me, it seems like if you laid out the actual issues, and remove the parts guided by Trump rhetoric and fear mongering, you two would see eye to eye. I don’t think it was policy disagreement that made him call you a marxist... that would make 0 sense...

Not all. Machismo believes that you should create an economic system at the expense of everything else. Including human lives. I believe the economy is there for the sole benefit of the people. That means that the government should regulate the system if necessary

[Felya]

Lol what? are you implying I'm a communist?

Uhm... no... what? No, I am asking if the economy did better after all those people died under communism. Let’s take holomodor as an example... did the economy in USSR improve, after all those people starved to death? We are about to set a ratio of dead people to improved economy. I like scales... and turtles... amphibians in general I guess...

That's not possible without a vaccine or cure to the coronavirus. So you have 2 options you either crash the economy because companies are too afraid to open or you will remove these liabilities. I dont have to like it. But i know the other option is much worse.

How is that not possible? There are a lot of places that are doing just that... can you name a single other country that removed workers rights, as part of reopening?

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Not all. Machismo believes that you should create an economic system at the expense of everything else. Including human lives. I believe the economy is there for the sole benefit of the people. That means that the government should regulate the system if necessary

What? Than how exactly are you supporting Trump, removing liability from employers? That doesn’t make any sense...

Edit: We simply can not afford to reopen safely, because some dumb fuck spent all our money. Did we really need a tennis court in the White House, during a pandemic? Did we really need to cut down those JFK memorial trees?

[DKjaigen]

It's similar to previous German national socialist worker parties of yesteryear...

Apparently, he's a history buff.

So apparently the social democracy we practice today is based of the Nazi’s economic model. Thanks to that we have high living standards, welfare and free medical aid. the utter horror.

[Machismo]

So apparently the social democracy we practice today is based of the Nazi’s economic model. Thanks to that we have high living standards, welfare and free medical aid. the utter horror.

Yes, I agree, racism, ethno-nationalism, and fascism are terrible.

But, at least the trains ran on time, am I right... ?

[Felya]

So apparently the social democracy we practice today is based of the Nazi’s economic model. Thanks to that we have high living standards, welfare and free medical aid. the utter horror.

What role does the electoral college play in a social democracy?

Edit: Wait... who is this “we” with free medical aid? Why did I send 700 bucks to an insurance company yesterday?