Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaid]

Honestly? No. It'd be dumb as fuck. It'd be gross. But with Clinton as precedent, it's not.



Literally fucking not. You literally compared Clinton getting a blowjob from an intern with Trump requesting campaign assistance from a foreign government and withholding legally mandated aide unless they provided it.

Like, so we need to have a "basic facts 101" session or something?

Hell trump violated election law to pay off a pornstar and he was banging and that did not get him impeached. Him having consensual sex with an adult intern nobody would even bat an eye these days.

[beanman12345]

he didn't, he simply pointed out your overwhelming desire to deflect to... just about fucking anything to defend Trump.

Glad you are seeing him for what he is finally. I do hope though that any respect you might have had for him is gone, because Trump defenders and Trump supporters don't deserve any.

[wunksta]

Are you saying if Trump had an ongoing sexual relationship with an Intern it wouldn't be a good enough reason to impeach him?

That was never the point. It was because he lied under oath about it. Furthermore, the entire process was a witch hunt trying to find ANYTHING to pin on him. It started out over the Whitewater controversy.

[jonnysensible]

fascist in the white house and you are crying about wild bills tallywacker adventures from 1998

[Machismo]

Glad you are seeing him for what he is finally. I do hope though that any respect you might have had for him is gone, because Trump defenders and Trump supporters don't deserve any.

It's becoming glaringly obvious. I may have to admit I was wrong about that one.

[Blur4stuff]

If you have a problem with Clinton getting a blow job and lying about it, wait until you hear about all the shit this Trump guy has done.

[alexw]

Every job I've worked at people would be fired. I know at least one who was fired because of it. It wasn't an intern but a employee, but the power dynamic was similar. OF course being President if far bigger power dynamic.

Getting fired from a job is not the same thing as a presidential impeachment. Why are you trying to equate two completely different things which are not remotely equivalent?

[Machismo]

No matter how many of you want to say I'm defending Trump. I'm not. The only thing you're doing is convincing yourselves of something I myself fundamentally reject. So Screw you and anyone who even implies it. Especially to the person who can't keep from being continually banned because they lack any tact.

I literally just provided the quote of you saying one thing that refuted the bullshit you just tried to say.

I have no problem not having tact, I enjoy calling people out for what they are. If I get banned, so be it.

Meanwhile, you defending Trump, and stating you don't think he should be impeached.

Well I stopped even viewing political side of Twitter years ago. it's reminded me too much of Jr. High and High School

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This is what I have to go on,

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/polit...all/index.html

Overall some very concerning things in there, but nothing that rises to the occasion of "impeachment". Considering so many don't have an issue with a past president taking advantage of an intern to have an affair.

[Machismo]

If President has sexual relations with an intern they should be impeached. That's my personal opinion. You may want to live in a country that allows that, I do not.

High Crimes, include an abuse of power. How that isn't an abuse of power I don't know.

But, Trump shouldn't be impeached for soliciting assistance in an election from a hostile foreign government?

Weird.

Well I stopped even viewing political side of Twitter years ago. it's reminded me too much of Jr. High and High School

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This is what I have to go on,

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/polit...all/index.html

Overall some very concerning things in there, but nothing that rises to the occasion of "impeachment". Considering so many don't have an issue with a past president taking advantage of an intern to have an affair.

[Machismo]

JUST BECAUSE THE TRUMP CAMP SAID IT DOESN'T MAKE IT FALSE

I have held this belief all the way back when the new first broke. She was AN INTERN!!!!

The fuck is wrong with everyone's moral compass? That cheating with an intern is now an acceptable thing for a President to do ?

So screw anyone claiming I'm defending Trump.

Do we need to bring your quotes up?

Fucking an intern is deserving of an impeachment.

Soliciting foreign assistance to undermine an election... "concerning."

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JUST BECAUSE THE TRUMP CAMP SAID IT DOESN'T MAKE IT FALSE

I have held this belief all the way back when the new first broke. She was AN INTERN!!!!

The fuck is wrong with everyone's moral compass? That cheating with an intern is now an acceptable thing for a President to do ?

So screw anyone claiming I'm defending Trump.

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Trump should be impeached for War Crimes, and paying off his porn star with election funds, but those weren't in the articles of impeachment.

Talk about a skewed moral compass.

[Muzjhath]

No matter how many of you want to say I'm defending Trump. I'm not. The only thing you're doing is convincing yourselves of something I myself fundamentally reject. So Screw you and anyone who even implies it. Especially to the person who can't keep from being continually banned because they lack any tact.

You might not be defending him. But you are helping him stay in power.

[Muzjhath]

Yes me being vocal on this tiny forum is helping Trump stay in power.

Yes, because there are people on the fence who only read. It might be used by people who troll for arguments, see yours, and use them to depress the vote.
All manner of things.

Do as most people. Wait until November 15 when a solid election result can hopefully be seen. If Biden wins they layinto him. If you voted for him.
If you didn't vote his way, or for people who supported him, why should his camp listen in the first place?

[shimerra]

No it wouldn't. It is not against the law. I have no doubt Trump has fucked numerous women in the WH and i don't care as long as it was consensual.

Trump was black mailing a country with Congressionally approved funds to help his election.

As much as Republicans may have lied during the hearings trying to say you can only impeach an explicit crime there's exactly nothing in any historical precedent that says an impeachable offense has to be against the law. The term "high crimes and misdemeanors" doesn't literally mean a crime, but it can, and was worded that way to allow for non-criminal offenses to be impeachable. In fact a huge part of its origins of impeachment as a concept was to catch Government agents/representatives who had done something wrong/violated the public trust even if it wasn't explicitly illegal according to the law because people would try and use that fact to weasel out of accountability.

A president having an affair with an intern definitely rises to a level of impeachment even if you don't feel they should be removed from office. As much as I find Jettisawn the Bernie Sanders supporter's version of a hard core Trumper in terms of his fanatical devotion and ability to ignore inconvenient realities I'd agree with him most jobs would have an issue with that type of relationship especially if it wasn't disclosed, talking about a normal dating situation not cheating/affair, and would have double the issues with it if it was an affair. Being fired would not be off the table and could even be the go to for most based of my very limited personal experience with the policies of places I worked. Republican's motives and actions were corrupt as hell in pursuing Clinton, both of them, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that Clinton, and past politicians, shouldn't have gotten in trouble for it. I personally agree that the affair itself didn't warrant removal based on what we know now. But lieing about it definitely did even if I personally wouldn't have.


That being said in one of many stupidities exposed about our founding documents, not entirely the founder's fault they did a decent job all things considered, is the highly political nature of the impeachment process which leads up to people not bothering with impeachment over partisan concerns not whether the act was impeachable or it failing not because of the merits of the charge but because of politics.

Yes me being vocal on this tiny forum is helping Trump stay in power.

All it takes is your dribble being taken seriously by one person. You're sure as hell not doing anything proactive to get him out of power now that your guy lost. Twice. You've taken the I'm going to throw a tantrum approach that rhymes with our totally not Trump supporters/woke independent types.

[VamosH]

So Trump or Biden? Trump without doubt is f-ed up as POTUS but Joe Biden is creepy as heck. I know it is an MMO forum but I need help making a decision here as you guys seem knowledgeable when it comes to politics. Some advice please.

[Edge-]

The US intelligence community has found no evidence of foreign nations interfering with mail-in ballots, throwing a wrench into Trump's conspiracies


Womp womp.

[Bodakane]

As much as Republicans may have lied during the hearings trying to say you can only impeach an explicit crime there's exactly nothing in any historical precedent that says an impeachable offense has to be against the law. The term "high crimes and misdemeanors" doesn't literally mean a crime, but it can, and was worded that way to allow for non-criminal offenses to be impeachable. In fact a huge part of its origins of impeachment as a concept was to catch Government agents/representatives who had done something wrong/violated the public trust even if it wasn't explicitly illegal according to the law because people would try and use that fact to weasel out of accountability.

A president having an affair with an intern definitely rises to a level of impeachment even if you don't feel they should be removed from office. As much as I find Jettisawn the Bernie Sanders supporter's version of a hard core Trumper in terms of his fanatical devotion and ability to ignore inconvenient realities I'd agree with him most jobs would have an issue with that type of relationship especially if it wasn't disclosed, talking about a normal dating situation not cheating/affair, and would have double the issues with it if it was an affair. Being fired would not be off the table and could even be the go to for most based of my very limited personal experience with the policies of places I worked. Republican's motives and actions were corrupt as hell in pursuing Clinton, both of them, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that Clinton, and past politicians, shouldn't have gotten in trouble for it. I personally agree that the affair itself didn't warrant removal based on what we know now. But lieing about it definitely did even if I personally wouldn't have.


That being said in one of many stupidities exposed about our founding documents, not entirely the founder's fault they did a decent job all things considered, is the highly political nature of the impeachment process which leads up to people not bothering with impeachment over partisan concerns not whether the act was impeachable.

Yeah no. 3 things.

1. The impeachment rules were written a "little' vague to cover acts that should be illegal but may not be at the time of the offending act. At no point was getting consensually blown by an intern part of that. Does it make Bill a shitty person? yes. Shitty husband? Yes.Impeachable? No.

2. Being fired =/= impeachment. It is a bs comparison that is so beyond a false equivalence I question anyone's motives for using it.

3. The original take was that consensual sex with an intern is equally as bad as blackmailing another country by withholding congressionally approved money to personally benefit your own campaign. Those aren't even on the same planet.

[beanman12345]

The US intelligence community has found no evidence of foreign nations interfering with mail-in ballots, throwing a wrench into Trump's conspiracies


Womp womp.

INB4 our resident big brain concerner argue's we can't trust intelligence on anything because of WMD's. They've done it before in regards to the bounties.

[Draco-Onis]

INB4 our resident big brain concerner argue's we can't trust intelligence on anything because of WMD's. They've done it before in regards to the bounties.

There's always we can't trust the intelligence community because they are the deep state only daddy Putin knows everything.

[Felya]

I've been mailing in my ballot my whole life. No issue here. I'm surprised anyone thinks it's controversial. We've been doing it for decades and absentee voting since 1864.

You are surprised Trump is making it controversial? Why? What has he not made controversial?

[Draco-Onis]

I am critical of national intelligence, because of things like the Gulf of Tolkin, Bay of Pigs, and the current war we are still fighting 20 years later that has killed 100,000 of civilians and destabilized an entire area of the world that is still being felt.

Then there is also the shady shit currently going on in Central and South America in countless sovereign nations. All of which our own Intelligence agency's have played an active roll in.

Would you rather trust them or Trump and Putin?