Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

There was no accusation. She posed a question.

When did you stop beating your wife?

Is that "just a question", or is there an accusation baked into that question?

Because that's literally what she did.

Has Harris ever answered on the question?

Much like "When did you stop beating your wife?", this question doesn't deserve a response.

A normal person would've answered with "You're right!" not with "No, fuck the poor," - which is basically what you seem to be doing right now.

A "normal" person doesn't give nutters like this the attention/oxygen they need to survive. They rightfully ignore them and their nonsense. Life isn't all about farming those likes and RT's for sick social media burns.

[Lenonis]

whatever dude, you all do this everytime people like Gray shit on your favorite right-wing politicians.
Nobody is buying this shit.


Aside from your fellow liberal-conservatives.

You might want to read your own posts on here before you go throwing those particular stones.

[Levelfive]

There was no accusation. She posed a question.

Has Harris ever answered on the question?

A normal person would've answered with "You're right!" not with "No, fuck the poor," - which is basically what you seem to be doing right now.

That's an interesting accusation to make, considering you're all for "fucking the poor":

You also have a moral compass that points you toward the less politically correct people and yet you also think "fuck the poor"?

Yes.

But only the ones that do absolutely nothing.

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I'm sorry to tell them that the Democratic Party should also have room for the poor people and for working class people, no matter how hard they try to exclude them.

What a phony you are.

[Gestopft]

1. Harris supports M4A. Not exactly Sanders exact plan, but she supports it and supported it during her campaign - https://www.vox.com/2019/7/29/893325...vate-insurance

So this is Shaun King levels of stupid when he went after one of the co-sponsors of a M4A bill for...not supporting M4A.

2. Sanders mother died of cancer after a long struggle, and they were not rich when Harris was growing up. This is monumentally ignorant and tone-deaf, and she's rightfully being dragged by pretty much everyone for being an insensitive bitch more interested in scoring social media political points than being informed.

3. Again, literally irrelevant. This is just her being spiteful and hateful to try to score "gotcha" points and add to her wall of "totes sick burns I did on Twitter/Insta today"

I think 1. and 3. are fair, but 2. is ridiculous. Yes, Harris's mother died of cancer: who doesn't have a relative that died of cancer?

Though I will say this after reading the first sentence: Encouraging others to refuse to compromise? Man, where the hell have we heard this befor-oh right, that sounds totally Tea Party/Freedom Caucus-esque, and those are totes the kinds of people I'd want to saddle up with.

Everyone has their own lines that they draw; they're just drawn in different places.

And as to Progressives and compromise, sure there are some that don't want to. Again: everyone has their own lines. But Progressives generally make two major complaints vis a vis compromise that can help you understand things in context. One is the perception that Republicans don't compromise until votes are being scrambled for, whereas Democrats compromise by starting with a position they think the GoP will accept. The result of this, from the Progressive perspective, is that Democrats' constant willingness to reach out while the Republicans hold fast means that policy keeps getting moving to the right. The other is money in politics, which Progressives see as fundamentally corrupt. I think the objection is that reaching a compromise with someone coming from an inherently corrupt position results in an inherently corrupted result.

[Levelfive]

I'm sure it's very easy to think you have some sort of gotcha there, but you don't.

There is an extreme minority among the lower class / poor who abuse social safety nets. My position on those sort of people has always been consistent. Just like my position on criminals is consistent. This is no different.

We hardly have social safety nets to "abuse," unless you're rich, so your "consistency" continues to be morally repugnant. And you're a hypocritical, generally uninformed phony for a variety of reasons, that's just the most recent.

[cubby]

We hardly have social safety nets to "abuse," unless you're rich, so your "consistency" continues to be morally repugnant. And you're a hypocritical, generally uninformed phony for a variety of reasons, that's just the most recent.

We are seeing some really terrific movement in Biden's campaign. And the VP announcement is still yet to come. Did you see the interview/article about the idea of Biden choosing Michele Obama as his VP running mate?

[Levelfive]

I agree that in the USA this statement might be true.

The rest of what you said though is off-topic for this thread. I'm very much willing to explain my positions on these matters in PMs if you're interested.

Given that you speak in low-information youtube videos, I am decidedly not.

We are seeing some really terrific movement in Biden's campaign. And the VP announcement is still yet to come. Did you see the interview/article about the idea of Biden choosing Michele Obama as his VP running mate?

I did see that. I have mixed feelings about it, but I'm all for whatever it takes to turf that lawless, malignly incompetent, narcissistic orange cataclysm and his shitty band of corrupt racist sycophants (William Barr in particular...).

[cubby]

I did see that. I have mixed feelings about it, but I'm all for whatever it takes to turf that lawless, malignly incompetent, narcissistic orange cataclysm and his shitty band of corrupt racist sycophants (William Barr in particular...).

Agreed. Michelle is on record more than once saying "[not a chance in hell]", but it's an idea worth daydreaming about.

Abrams seems like the top contender. Female and not white. Very bright. Fantastic policy speaker.

[Theodarzna]

Thank you for your coherent thoughts and solid argumentation. I feel like some of that has been missing the last few pages.

It comes across to me as if some people are a bit too die-hard in their support for the Democratic Party no matter what.

I'm sorry to tell them that the Democratic Party should also have room for the poor people and for working class people, no matter how hard they try to exclude them.

Its pure fanboyism, it's like someone who really REALLY loves a specific brand, or has gotten in deep with some Multi-Level Marketing scam and you cannot tell those people anything negative, they just don't wanna hear it or will ever believe it.

We end up with these weird contradictions here. And really all I do is point those out much to the irritation of fanboys.

We get the combination of "Its a political party, they have to make compromises and do horse trading, and things like Universal Healthcare, UBI, debt cancellations, all that is pie in the sky, maybe in ten, twenty or thirty years if we win enough elections we can revisit this" with "How dare you not have unwavering devotion, loyalty and cheer for this party, it is the radiant light of civilization, goodness, and all that is holy on this Earth, to even dine to question or doubt is fascism!" kind of thinking.

I mean some of this comes from the consequentialist thinking they display, which is "Well you have to vote blue no matter who or you are supporting Trump" and they have cast Trump as equal parts super Hitler, Voldemort, and Palpatine all wrapped into one. So if one operates from "The other team is so evil, absolute evil" than any sacrifices to morality, integrity, values, really ANY price is worth paying to stop what is cast as ultimate evil.

[Felya]

I mean some of this comes from the consequentialist thinking they display, which is "Well you have to vote blue no matter who or you are supporting Trump" and they have cast Trump as equal parts super Hitler, Voldemort, and Palpatine all wrapped into one. So if one operates from "The other team is so evil, absolute evil" than any sacrifices to morality, integrity, values, really ANY price is worth paying to stop what is cast as ultimate evil.

It’s not about teams... Trump is not a team. Trump is an individual that is prone to fucks up, like everyone else. Unlike everyone else, we don’t get our fuck ups defended because we are a team.

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We are seeing some really terrific movement in Biden's campaign. And the VP announcement is still yet to come. Did you see the interview/article about the idea of Biden choosing Michele Obama as his VP running mate?

It has to be Warren... her brother just died of COVID-19... I don’t think she will stand for any Trump bullshit.

[Levelfive]

Please don't pull quotes out of context and paste them in irrelevant threads.

I missed this edit--was going to ask if you meant to call this thread irrelevant, but it likely is, and I don't care either way. As to your remark itself, I'll tell you what: don't hypocritically try to chide others for saying "fuck the poor" and I won't repeatedly embarrass you with evidence of you saying that very thing.

[Hobb]

We are seeing some really terrific movement in Biden's campaign. And the VP announcement is still yet to come. Did you see the interview/article about the idea of Biden choosing Michele Obama as his VP running mate?

That would be interesting if Michele Obama did take the offer, but even Biden says he knows she won't and hasn't even hinted at wanting it.

Personally I think it will be Warren, shes even publicly stated if offered the VP position she'll accept.

Side note, I think we'll see Sanders offer a position as well. I think he'll make a good replacement for Ben Carson as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

[Levelfive]

Agreed. Michelle is on record more than once saying "[not a chance in hell]", but it's an idea worth daydreaming about.

Abrams seems like the top contender. Female and not white. Very bright. Fantastic policy speaker.

Yeah, I've seen her name mentioned a lot. Also want to remind people to donate to Sara Gideon, who as of February was beating Susan Collins 43 to 42%, and Amy McGrath, who's neck and neck with McConnell.

ETA: And Jaime Harrison, too, who's neck and neck with Lindsey Graham.

[Felya]

I missed this edit--was going to ask if you meant to call this thread irrelevant, but it likely is, and I don't care either way. As to your remark itself, I'll tell you what: don't hypocritically try to chide others for saying "fuck the poor" and I won't repeatedly embarrass you with evidence of you saying that very thing.

...university of YouTube...

[Levelfive]

...university of YouTube...

You, on the other hand, post excellent youtube videos. No complaints.

[Felya]

You, on the other hand, post excellent youtube videos. No complaints.

I don’t post talking heads... unless it’s psycho killer...

As an example, the video linked above, makes two interesting statements. One, that the voting for lesser of two evils has been prominent through history and hat we are to imagine it leads to nuclear war. The thing is, that is a false dichotomy. What if at some point in history, a candidate deserves such ire? What if a candidate is presented as a racist oligarch, who is actually a racist oligarch?

The actual politics that video endorses, is to not campaign on personal merit, but to convince enough people to not vote for your opponents. It makes it so Trump doesn’t have to present policy, all he has to do is chant ‘lock her up’ and troll Bernie supporters to not vote Biden, as he has been doing.

[Levelfive]

I don’t post talking heads... unless it’s psycho killer...

Yeah, I was referring specifically to the music you share--and Key and Peele, of course.

[Felya]

Yeah, I was referring specifically to the music you share--and Key and Peele, of course.

I was looking for an actual NFL clip... there was some player who said something like... “university of red lobster”... but, settled on that fake one.

[breadisfunny]

Sky News is owned by the same retard that owns Fox News. Does that answer your question?

to be technical rupert murdoch isn't actually retarded.

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Exactly. Biden by himself puts every battleground state into play, and a few of the southern/eastern states trouble spots. Picking a non-white female running mate will galvanize the entire DNC - even if for no other reason that to be galvanized (like an emotional/political snowball effect).

The GOP's only hope at this point is two-fold. Voter suppression in key states/counties, like we saw in WI - or BARRing that (yes, I went there), they will outright steal those same states/counties through key GOP SecStates and County Commissioners.

Nov 3 and the days leading up to and after will be some of the most important days in our country's history.

how is picking a token minority going to galvanize the entire dnc base? yes they would probably get that section's vote but the dnc constitutes more than just that voting bloc.

[cubby]

It has to be Warren... her brother just died of COVID-19... I don’t think she will stand for any Trump bullshit.

She would be a great progressive choice - as well as meeting the female requirement that he promised. Even with her brother's death, I still think it will be Abrams - but you make a VERY good point.

On that note, if it's not Warren, then she is free to go on a MAJOR offensive against Trump. I sincerely hope she does. Gloves off.

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That would be interesting if Michele Obama did take the offer, but even Biden says he knows she won't and hasn't even hinted at wanting it.

Personally I think it will be Warren, shes even publicly stated if offered the VP position she'll accept.

Side note, I think we'll see Sanders offer a position as well. I think he'll make a good replacement for Ben Carson as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

Agreed re Michelle - Biden did say he'd take her in a heartbeat, but at the same time knows she would never accept.

It would be good/great to either hint or leak or outright say that Sanders will be offered a cabinet position in the Biden administration. Would go a long ways to uniting the DNC.

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Yeah, I've seen her name mentioned a lot. Also want to remind people to donate to Sara Gideon, who as of February was beating Susan Collins 43 to 42%, and Amy McGrath, who's neck and neck with McConnell.

ETA: And Jaime Harrison, too, who's neck and neck with Lindsey Graham.

There are five or six solid Senate seats that are going to be competitive now in Nov. I can't imagine a world where McConnell would lose his seat, but it would be an amazing one to live in.