Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

Trump will almost certainly use the line "You won't be safe in Biden's America" during the debates. I hope Biden responds with something like, "Let's talk about Trump's America. You've had 4 years to deal with all these problems and you haven't even tried to address them, which is why we're at where we are now. And speaking of being safe, how about the nearly quarter of a million Americans who have died from COVID? Did you keep them safe?"

That’s why I don’t understand Trump supporters that say Trump will do well in debates... Trump will have to run on his record... There is no talks of a phantom healthcare plan, after 4 years...

[Felya]

How does it feel that your candidate is so unpopular they can't win unless they cheat?

Popularity is one thing... but, as I said above... He doesn’t want to run on his record. There are no campaign ads about how great America has become under Trump. It’s one thing to be unpopular, it’s another to refuse to run in your record.

[Benggaul]

Some of the latest polling sure is closing up, and Trump just polled better in Michigan. A lot is going to ride on the debate and both of them can lash out anytime their confronted. I fear it's going to entertaining but very disappointing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../pres_general/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls

Trafalgar is rated worse than Rasmussen, so that says all that really needs to be said about that particular poll.

[Ursus]

Some of the latest polling sure is closing up, and Trump just polled better in Michigan. A lot is going to ride on the debate and both of them can lash out anytime their confronted. I fear it's going to entertaining but very disappointing.

I think Biden should spend a little time debating an actual 5-year-old just to prepare him for the "You're the puppet", "Sleepy Joe", "You're a stupidhead"-type lines that will inevitably come his way.

[Felya]

Trafalgar is rated worse than Rasmussen, so that says all that really needs to be said about that particular poll.

I am not going to be arguing against polls showing Biden is doing worse... No need for a 2016 repeat... if people want to make the case of Biden struggling, all power to them...

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I think Biden should spend a little time debating an actual 5-year-old just to prepare him for the "You're the puppet", "Sleepy Joe", "You're a stupidhead"-type lines that will inevitably come his way.

‘You are ran by billionaire corporations... so am I, but mine prefer to be hidden...’

‘I don’t pay taxes because I’m smart’

[Benggaul]

I am not going to be arguing against polls showing Biden is doing worse... No need for a 2016 repeat... if people want to make the case of Biden struggling, all power to them...

I'm not against polls showing Biden doing worse--when they aren't run by third-rate pollsters with a history of heavy bias and shitty methodology. As I've mentioned before, I'm against Dems becoming complacent.

[Zaydin]

I'm not against polls showing Biden doing worse--when they aren't run by third-rate pollsters with a history of heavy bias and shitty methodology.

I'm pretty sure most people expected the polls to close a bit post conventions as it was to begin with. Just a matter of time at this rate before Trump shits the bed again, however and pisses people off yet again.

Curious to see whether Trump gets a bounce from the TNC or not considering how poor its ratings were in comparison to the DNC.

[Theodarzna]

Some of the latest polling sure is closing up, and Trump just polled better in Michigan. A lot is going to ride on the debate and both of them can lash out anytime their confronted. I fear it's going to entertaining but very disappointing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../pres_general/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls

Inevitably the riots are/will help Trump. As will the emphasis on "Cancel Culture" since it doesn't take a genius to predict how Liberals will react to both tactics and knowing that his opposition will without fail react predictably, he can make the Dems/Liberals look bad.

[Bodakane]

Inevitably the riots are/will help Trump. As will the emphasis on "Cancel Culture" since it doesn't take a genius to predict how Liberals will react to both tactics and knowing that his opposition will without fail react predictably, he can make the Dems/Liberals look bad.

Cancel culture isn;t a nebulous floating blob......its perpetrated by the people. And enough of them to make businesses take notice.

Regardless, the riots have fuck all to do with cancel culture.

[Themius]

Inevitably the riots are/will help Trump. As will the emphasis on "Cancel Culture" since it doesn't take a genius to predict how Liberals will react to both tactics and knowing that his opposition will without fail react predictably, he can make the Dems/Liberals look bad.

Why are right wingers talking about cancel culture as if the notion of not giving patronage to things you don't like is "special, new and unique" come on...

[Sunseeker]

Why are right wingers talking about cancel culture as if the notion of not giving patronage to things you don't like is "special, new and unique" come on...

I mean, wasn't it always Republicans who used to say that if you don't like the way someone is doing business, "Vote with your wallet."?

[Felya]

Inevitably the riots are/will help Trump. As will the emphasis on "Cancel Culture" since it doesn't take a genius to predict how Liberals will react to both tactics and knowing that his opposition will without fail react predictably, he can make the Dems/Liberals look bad.

And now he's going to lose the election and they're gonna blame it on Bernie supporters and BLM protesters. But he was the "most electable" guys!

You guys should chat... I’m interested in watching...

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I mean, wasn't it always Republicans who used to say that if you don't like the way someone is doing business, "Vote with your wallet."?

Yes, but it’s also republicans that are selling Biden as supporting BLM and demanding Medicare for All... We have a fun dichotomy of the far left demanding, what Trump is convincing Biden already is. It’s like they both think it’s a winning strategy, but disagree for whom...

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This shit is unbelievable. All Biden had to do was support literally any progressive policy like Medicare for All or even legalizing weed to win over left leaning independents, he didn't even need to get it done, just lie about it and say he supports it, and he couldn't even do that. And now he's going to lose the election and they're gonna blame it on Bernie supporters and BLM protesters. But he was the "most electable" guys!

Why should Biden waste his campaigning time, saying that he supports BLM and Medicare for All, when that’s exactly what Trump is doing? Since Trump and RNC just spent 5 days telling America that Biden is in the pocket of far left and supports riots, as well as Medicare for all... why should Biden spend any capital on it?

[Zan15]

I disagree with Medicare for all and I do not think I would qualify as being rich. Retired, home is paid for, income is in the middle income range. I rather keep my current private insurance. Medicare only pays for about 80% of your costs.

And it is not free. I am for more affordable health care, but I am not convinced Medicare for all is the answer. Now if there is a certain way Medicare would be a option for those who want it and let those who have their other private insurance keep their plan and I do not have to pay out the ass for it with my taxes, then fine.

Also, since you might be relatively new to the Politics forum, I am a Trump policy supporter and I do agree, the violent protests and destruction of private and public property is helping Trump. The RNC should certainly stress it as a major factor. Biden condemns it, but does not attack the source of the problem. In other words, the Democrat mayors and Governors who are not doing enough to curtail it.

I am feeling more confident on Trump's chances of winning reelection, but Biden still holds the edge according to the polls. I certainly am not predicting a Trump victory. Too much can still happen.

WOW you can't even be honest for a second can you?

All this coming from someone ON MEDICARE and who gets VA healthcare too.

What private insurance do you magically have all of a sudden? You still rocking Govt retiree insurance at the cost of taxpayers too??

You effectively are on M4A.

Also, since you might be relatively new to the Politics forum, I am a Trump policy supporter and I do agree, the violent protests and destruction of private and public property is helping Trump. The RNC should certainly stress it as a major factor. Biden condemns it, but does not attack the source of the problem. In other words, the Democrat mayors and Governors who are not doing enough to curtail it.

I am feeling more confident on Trump's chances of winning reelection, but Biden still holds the edge according to the polls. I certainly am not predicting a Trump victory. Too much can still happen.

Trump has done nothing all all to curtail it, his actions have only made them worse. But you still keep pushing harder and harder for trump.
Trump attacks alright, he attacks "liberals and democrats" in general not attacking the SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM as you put it.

[Theodarzna]

Why are right wingers talking about cancel culture as if the notion of not giving patronage to things you don't like is "special, new and unique" come on...

Because most Americans believe it both is real and is a problem and Liberals reliably will react one of two ways? One, they will deny it exists at all. Two, despite denying it exists will argue its a good thing.



Ben Burgis, hardly a Right-Winger, even has a book coming out called Canceling Comedians While the World Burns. So this is something Leftists are also critical of. Though Liberals obviously are more likely to view it with a positive light. But, it is considered to be a thing by Americans, and widely disliked and viewed negatively. The chief reason, taken from a Bloomberg piece is that:

The findings are more consistent with what the critics of cancel culture are saying. The line of unacceptability is constantly, rapidly and unpredictably shifting; sanctions for crossing it are applied arbitrarily but sometimes harshly.

That article has further links to further information.

Trumps strategy makes sense because it patently exists and Trump can count on his opposition to either deny it exists which makes Liberals look daft and dishonest, OR more ghoulishly, will argue its a good thing, which no normal person likes the idea of living under a highly punitive ever shifting and largely unknowable set of rules in which anything said or done at any point in your life can be seen as a pretext try at least to make it impossible for one to live in society, I guess normal people don't like the idea of having to follow an ever shifting code of conduct in which the punishments can be as extreme as "You might as well kill yourself".

Trump is capitalizing on the fact that Liberals WILL react in only two ways, either denial, or say its a good thing, or both. Which makes Liberals look sinister and menacing. It's easy to run on an issue by saying you share an opinion the majority also shares.

[Blur4stuff]

Right wingers love the notion of cancel culture. They don't want it to go anywhere. It let's them be their true selves while pretending it's acceptable and gives them another reason to attack imaginary lefties.

[Benggaul]

Right wingers love the notion of cancel culture. They don't want it to go anywhere. It let's them be their true selves while pretending it's acceptable and gives them another reason to attack imaginary lefties.

They're also REALLY bad at it...purchasing the products before they destroy them symbolically. Tsk tsk.

[s_bushido]

But, it is considered to be a thing by Americans

So is fucking young-earth creationism. But I never see you concern-trolling about how the religious right in America needs to excise its science and reality denialism in order to maintain relevance in modern culture. Nope, it's all up to the leftists and libruls to play nice with comedians and celebrities who publicly say stupid shit that no one really wants to pay to hear.

[Felya]

Because most Americans believe it both is real and is a problem and Liberals reliably will react one of two ways? One, they will deny it exists at all. Two, despite denying it exists will argue its a good thing.

Uhm... Is cancelling the NFL, NBA, NASCAR and Goodyear count as cancel culture? Trump can bitch about MSM and all our ban Tik Tok in US, but you want the liberal reaction? Yeah... it exists... it’s not liberals pretending it doesn’t...

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So is fucking young-earth creationism. But I never see you concern-trolling about how the religious right in America needs to excise its science and reality denialism in order to maintain relevance in modern culture. Nope, it's all up to the leftists and libruls to play nice with comedians and celebrities who publicly say stupid shit that no one really wants to pay to hear.

Trump called for a boycott of Goodyear just last week... It sucks that Kathy Griffin didn’t have a better career so I don’t feel like I am stretching the word “Star”, but how is her career going?

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They're also REALLY bad at it...purchasing the products before they destroy them symbolically. Tsk tsk.

It’s also punching down... it’s defending the elite, from the unwashed masses of twitter...

[s_bushido]

Trump called for a boycott of Goodyear just last week... It sucks that Kathy Griffin didn’t have a better career so I don’t feel like I am stretching the word “Star”, but how is her career going?

Pointing out that "cancel culture" isn't unique to the left never actually gets through to the people who constantly whine about it... It's enough to make me want to cancel this whole ridiculous topic like the filthy censorious leftist that I am.

[Theodarzna]

So is fucking young-earth creationism. But I never see you concern-trolling about how the religious right in America needs to excise its science and reality denialism in order to maintain relevance in modern culture. Nope, it's all up to the leftists and libruls to play nice with comedians and celebrities who publicly say stupid shit that no one really wants to pay to hear.

So, again, Trump can count on Liberals either saying its not real, despite being acknowledged by Leftists and Righties alike, and critiqued by both or sayings its a good thing as Themius has done. Something most Americans think is a real thing and bad. And there isn't even agreement because again, you say its not real, Themius says it is and its a good thing. To really prove the case and thwart Trump on this Liberals will have to agree on one position, either that its not real or that its a good thing and is real. Because the confused responses seem to imply it DOES exist but Liberals aren't comfortable taking ownership of it or really acknowledging it.

Once more, probably going to need to at least respond to Leftists critiquing it such as Ben Burgis.