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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    You led to this tangent. All I initially said is neither Biden or Trump or the best orators so its a dumb back and forth when discussing the candidates. Looks like two toddlers calling each other poopy heads.

    Straight up said someone wasn't going to like it.
    There's a fundamental difference between someone misremembering dates and someone pitching quack science or advising people to break the law on his behalf.
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    Kaleredar is right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Just to be clear... none are being discussed...
    Sure they are. In the appropriate thread. This one's for the general election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Sure they are. In the appropriate thread. This one's for the general election.
    Oh, I mean currently... we are derailed in a quagmire of what shouldn’t be discussed. I’m waiting for the list of approved topics...

    So... day 4 of defunding social security... woot woot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    The guy doing the reacting has a fairly on-point understanding of how deranged Tim Pool is.

    Tim Pool reminds me of the kid at school that no one would talk and tried to tune his radio into the frequency that Area-51 were transmitting on.
    Funny, I got lost. I mean I listened to 20 minutes of him responding to a video in which we heard 10 seconds of it if that and then he refuted himself in his response. I mean he jumped in talking about the "regressive left" and how it came up in the last decade and then somehow jumped to republicans wanting classical liberalism to go back to pre-civil war. I mean just from logic, if the republican are talking about classical liberalism because the "left has become regressive in the last decade, I would thing they are referring to wanting to see the left of the decade or 2 before that, not a 150 years ago. He made a twisted logic leap there that I can see.

    All I heard from the video he was talking about was Trump being for freedom of speech, individualism, people right to go about their live and work. If I have to base my thoughts on the piece of the original video we got to see, I would agree that Trump is a classical liberal from the 80s/90s because that is all he allowed us to see.

    I am going to have to go track down the video now to see the whole thing to understand why he was so upset about it.

    1 thing that will always be funny no matter how his presidency end ups working out, Trump will go down in history as the First President that was pro gay marriage before taking office. That really has to annoy some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Imma get poked at for this but I think either side looks foolish when they argue about
    the speech patterns because neither candidates is the best orator.

    Liberals and conservatives need to just drop that point of contention.
    I agree, that was what I was pointing out. You can't attack one side on how he screws up making a point without doing the same to other. Otherwise you become a "team sheep". Both of them sometimes say things off the cuff that comes out horribly different then they meant.

    At some point its better to just ask them what them mean and let them clarify, not fill in the blanks yourself to make a narrative you want to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post
    -blah blah blah-
    You seem to be confusing me with someone who cares what you have to say. Moving on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post


    I agree, that was what I was pointing out. You can't attack one side on how he screws up making a point without doing the same to other. Otherwise you become a "team sheep". Both of them sometimes say things off the cuff that comes out horribly different then they meant.

    At some point its better to just ask them what them mean and let them clarify, not fill in the blanks yourself to make a narrative you want to believe.
    Can you find me the quote where Biden advises his followers to commit electoral fraud?

    Surely you’re sitting on a quote where Biden advises dangerous medical procedures like injecting bleach or taking unproven medications in direct defiance of medical professionals?

    Because otherwise, saying they’re “the same” is dangerously dishonest.


    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. There’s a difference between someone misremembering a date or name, and someone pitching dangerously incorrect science or advising people to break the law. Biden is occasionally the former, trump has consistently been the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Can you find me the quote where Biden advises his followers to commit electoral fraud?

    Surely you’re sitting on a quote where Biden advises dangerous medical procedures like injecting bleach or taking unproven medications in direct defiance of medical professionals?

    Because otherwise, saying they’re “the same” is dangerously dishonest.


    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. There’s a difference between someone misremembering a date or name, and someone pitching dangerously incorrect science or advising people to break the law. Biden is occasionally the former, trump has consistently been the latter.
    You are going to be waiting a while. If they ever come back that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Can you find me the quote where Biden advises his followers to commit electoral fraud?

    Surely you’re sitting on a quote where Biden advises dangerous medical procedures like injecting bleach or taking unproven medications in direct defiance of medical professionals?

    Because otherwise, saying they’re “the same” is dangerously dishonest.


    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. There’s a difference between someone misremembering a date or name, and someone pitching dangerously incorrect science or advising people to break the law. Biden is occasionally the former, trump has consistently been the latter.
    Dudeman, Trump supporters have the same fallback I have when my wife takes me to town for being a stupidhead.

    'You've done X/Y/Z wrong (and I have)', said my wife.

    'Uh, yeah. But you didn't text me that you were gonna be late home from your nail appointment the other day', replied I.

    Like, there is nothing of substance as of now. The actual criticisms about Biden they cannot level, because those valid issues come from the fact that Biden has stopped short of being more progressive. And that would be hilarious. The right attacks Biden for not being in favour of M4A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You are going to be waiting a while. If they ever come back that is.
    I’m sure they’ll be back; they’ll just have conveniently forgotten to read my post, and move on as if nothing happened.

    That’s what happens when you hit trump supporters around here with indefensible trump shit. They either deflect to Biden or pretend not to have seen it.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I’m sure they’ll be back; they’ll just have conveniently forgotten to read my post, and move on as if nothing happened.

    That’s what happens when you hit trump supporters around here with indefensible trump shit. They either deflect to Biden or pretend not to have seen it.
    Yeah, I have found that out. Even with presented with facts that they weren't aware of, like the first victim of the Rittenhouse shooting, they will ignore it or claim "fake news" like it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Yeah, I have found that out. Even with presented with facts that they weren't aware of, like the first victim of the Rittenhouse shooting, they will ignore it or claim "fake news" like it didn't happen.
    This isn't even to do with Trump. The folks right of say moderate conservatives have regularly just built their own bubble versions of reality.

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    Not sure who guards their candidate more, the Trump supporter or the Biden supporter. Say that neither side should be arguing about the others speech pattern and they throw a hissy fit. God forbid we past the juvenile jabs and onto actual campaign related issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Not sure who guards their candidate more, the Trump supporter or the Biden supporter. Say that neither side should be arguing about the others speech pattern and they throw a hissy fit. God forbid we past the juvenile jabs and onto actual campaign related issues.
    Good job helping that along.

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    We could certainly spend a lot of time discussing Biden's solutions to our current set of problems. Not sure what we'd talk about when getting to Trump, though. Would really be a one sided conversation.

    I'm going to be completely honest here without any intention of it being an attack, just a statement of fact. I don't think Trump even understands what problems exist for the country, the world, or for individual citizens. He's far too consumed with himself to know what the hell is going on, much less spending any time trying to understand possible solutions.

    This reminds me of his run for 2012. A reporter asked him if women have a right to privacy. This is an obvious abortion question for anyone that's bothered paying attention for the past several decades. It flew right over his head and he thought the question was about peeping toms or something. This guy has no idea what's going on and doesn't want to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Not sure who guards their candidate more, the Trump supporter or the Biden supporter. Say that neither side should be arguing about the others speech pattern and they throw a hissy fit. God forbid we past the juvenile jabs and onto actual campaign related issues.
    Day 5 of defunding Social Security...

    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    Good job helping that along.
    We need a... “MEGA Thread: No, you are the problem”...
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    Conservatives and Liberals worried about which candidate can give the best speech when Trump is stripping away housing

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ent-aid-408594

    Come on people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Conservatives and Liberals worried about which candidate can give the best speech when Trump is stripping away housing

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ent-aid-408594

    Come on people.
    What’s it like to only be able to think about one thing at a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    What’s it like to only be able to think about one thing at a time?
    Doesn't matter if the focus is only one nonsensical trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Not sure who guards their candidate more, the Trump supporter or the Biden supporter. Say that neither side should be arguing about the others speech pattern and they throw a hissy fit. God forbid we past the juvenile jabs and onto actual campaign related issues.
    During my lifetime, I have never seen such division between political parties. The degree of hatred and disagreements have reached the point, there is no room for debate. Too far apart for it to work. You see that in this forum. It is a waste of time and effort to even try to discuss it. Of course, most on here will say it is Trump's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Doesn't matter if the focus is only one nonsensical trash.
    You want to count how many of you last few post mention this nonsensical trash?

    Day 6 of defunding social security...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Of course, most on here will say it is Trump's fault.
    Is someone else president? Day 6 of defunding your social security...
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