Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[DingDongKing]

See... in 2016 people didn’t mind these both sides argument... shitting on Hillary, because no mater how much you shit on her, it’s not like Trump will win. Some of us learned... some didn’t...

I don’t even mind people on this forum criticising Biden. Just do it in good faith instead of spouting hackneyed and irrelevant talking points.

[Felya]

*gasp* But according to Trump and the GOP Biden is merely a puppet controlled by ANTIFA!!
Seriously, give me a break. My eyes can only roll so far.

It’s like Biden isn’t the guy they wanted and can’t even pivot to Biden...

[jonnysensible]

one group of supporters are boring liberals who will do what boring liberals do, nothing.

one group of supporters are waiting for the green light to go house to house rwanda style.

real tough choice here guys.

[Felya]

I don’t even mind people on this forum criticising Biden. Just do it in good faith instead of spouting hackneyed and irrelevant talking points.

It’s not good faith that’s the issue... You can check Trump’s current solution to the housing crisis, versus Biden’s plan... claiming they are similar or a GOP gift, is simply lazy.

@PACOX it’s not the people you are attacking that are portraying Biden as some leftist savior... it’s the people you agree with. Which makes all this simply bizarre...

[DingDongKing]

It’s not good faith that’s the issue... You can check Trump’s current solution to the housing crisis, versus Biden’s plan... claiming they are similar or a GOP gift, is simply lazy.

It’s why I generally just ignore the usual suspects. It’s just the contradictions were just way too funny.

[Endus]

I don't feel like going over Biden's entire political career but he has been the best things for Conservatives since he took office.

Biden championed the for-profit, neighborhood destroying, criminal just catapulted by Reagan with the 1994 crime bill. There's a direct line between that bill and the current shit show of criminal justice in America today, from overly funded police to disproportionate sentencing. In fact Biden was one of the horsemen of the 'War on Drugs' pushing discrimatory nonsense with his Republican pals such as handing out harsher sentences for crack versus cocaine even though one was simply favored by poor minorities while the other was favored by richer whites.

He championed the Patriot Act. He opposed same sex marriage. He loved Bush's No Child Left behind. He voted for the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, which contributed to the recession under Bush.

I'm just summarizing. His love for conservative values throughout the 80s and 90s can be discussed for he days. He really didn't 'change' until he got his VP job and it became politically advantageous to do so.

I guess the difference is that some of us recognize that people and their causes can evolve over time, and others think both that those views are set in stone at a young age and any such shift in later years must be dishonest in nature.

I can't see how the latter makes any sense at all. Particularly as my own views have evolved in that time a fair bit.

Is Biden still championing those things, or have his views changed over the intervening years? That's the real question, which somehow never gets asked by the anti-Biden crowd.

Edit: Also, incrementalism is a thing. Even if Biden is only a small step forward, or even a small step backwards, when the only real alternative on the ballot is Donald Trump, who's an 800-meter sprint backwards with a plan to keep going once they reach that goal line, it should be an easy choice. You vote for the candidate who moves the needle closest to the direction you want to go, even if it's not completely in line.

[Felya]

It’s why I generally just ignore the usual suspects. It’s just the contradictions were just way too funny.

Like I said... It doesn’t make sense... Trump is campaigning on Biden being the leftist savior brining socialist Medicare for all and the evils of criminal justice. That’s not the message Biden is sending... it’s not Biden voters that need to be convinced that Biden isn’t some leftist extreme... because if he is accepted as one, you can no longer see left through the Overton window.

If Trump succeeds in beating Biden, as a representation of the far left. There will be no left what so ever in US... AOC would be equivalent to Karl Marx on Lenin Steroids...

[PACOX]

*gasp* But according to Trump and the GOP Biden is merely a puppet controlled by ANTIFA!!
Seriously, give me a break. My eyes can only roll so far.

Because

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!! Trump is still campaigning against Bernie...

Republicans do not fear mainline Democrats. They are soft and practically conservatives themselves. Easy pickings. When Republicans go down their 'the radical left' route its to cause division between liberals and progressives because a liberal will gladly progressive favor for that of Republican. It works.

[Shadowferal]

And what was the conservative alternative to Biden? In so far as I can determine Trump wasn't it. Too many that voted for him in '16 won't be voting for him this year. Had Biden lost the primary to a "progressive," then things would be looking positively surreal since I'm not sure that even the likes of Warren (my personal choice) would be polling as well as Biden currently is.

[Felya]

Republicans do not fear mainline Democrats.

That’s why they can’t campaign against them? Why is Biden the end of western culture?

They are soft and practically conservatives themselves. Easy pickings. When Republicans go down their 'the radical left' route its to cause division between liberals and progressives because a liberal will gladly progressive favor for that of Republican. It works.

Can you elaborate on the italic? What do you think just happened with you and GhostPanther?

Edit: The people you are attacking are far more progressive than GhostPanther...

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And what was the conservative alternative to Biden? In so far as I can determine Trump wasn't it. Too many that voted for him in '16 won't be voting for him this year. Had Biden lost the primary to a "progressive," then things would be looking positively surreal since I'm not sure that even the likes of Warren (my personal choice) would be polling as well as Biden currently is.

It would be exactly the same, minus the puppet part...

[DingDongKing]

Yes, all those 100 million cowards who are disproportional poor and people of color. At least we know how you really feel about them. Don't feel bad for people calling you out for shitting all over the non-voting population because they don't want to support Neo-liberalism.

Quit the pearl clutching. It’s a waste of time. If the Dems lose solely due to voters that didn’t vote because Biden wasn’t left enough for them, they’ll not just get called out for it but will have to deal with 4 more years of Trump. And it’s not like he gives two fucks about that base. So they’ll reap what they sow. You’re boring me now. See you.

[Felya]

Yes, all those 100 million cowards who are disproportional poor and people of color. At least we know how you really feel about them. Don't feel bad for people calling you out for shitting all over the non-voting population because they don't want to support Neo-liberalism.

If this is your train of thought, you are shitting on every single person on social security. Because unlike Trump’s plan, it won’t be defunded by 2023 under Biden.

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Protesting Trump back into office. Your strategy is brilliant.

Screaming “people support Medicare for all”, while the man defunding social security is running for office.

[Felya]

Well the vast majority of voting age public doesn't vote. You can blame them if it makes you feel better about yourselves, but it is the actual candidates jobs to get votes. If the argument of Biden campaign is "I'm not the bad orange man", then I don't blame them. It's Biden fault for not turning out more voters. It's their actual job to get people to vote for them. It isn't owed to anyone.

Why is “orange man bad”? Can you list his campaign promises or his current record?



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I'm not voting for him. It's impossible for my vote to go to him. So no I didn't put Trump in office in 2016 and I won't be putting him in office in 2020.

Obviously, seeing Trump’s record and promises, to you just means “orange man bad”. That why we disagree... you disregard issues that are causing people to vote against Trump, as just “orange man bad”.

[beanman12345]

Why is “orange man bad”? Can you list his campaign promises or his current record?




Obviously, seeing Trump’s record and promises, to you just means “orange man bad”. That why we disagree... you disregard issues that are causing people to vote against Trump, as just “orange man bad”.

Ahh the good old "orange man bad" argument from our totally not a trump supporter, not long now before we get the TDS crap to go along with it.

[DingDongKing]

Ahh the good old "orange man bad" argument from our totally not a trump supporter, not long now before we get the TDS crap to go along with it.

I’ve put him on ignore. He’s pointless.

[PACOX]

That’s why they can’t campaign against them? Why is Biden the end of western culture?



Can you elaborate on the italic?

"A man is known by the company he keeps"

The GOP is saving "Whoa these people have chosen to attach themselves to your party, what are you doing to attract them? I thought it was YOUR party. Well if this is the company you keep were going to judge you accordingly. "

Considering that many Democrat pride themselves as being 'moderates' don't like being associated with radical anything and will try to distance themselves from the distinction - the 'radials' being progressives.

Basically the same trash some people pulled with Bernie voters and the 'Bernie Bros'.

[Jastall]

Well the vast majority of voting age public doesn't vote. You can blame them if it makes you feel better about yourselves, but it is the actual candidates jobs to get votes. If the argument of Biden campaign is "I'm not the bad orange man", then I don't blame them. It's Biden fault for not turning out more voters. It's their actual job to get people to vote for them. It isn't owed to anyone.

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I'm not voting for him. It's impossible for my vote to go to him. So no I didn't put Trump in office in 2016 and I won't be putting him in office in 2020.

I mean, there's been several Biden platforms posted that amount to a lot more than him not being Trump, and you swept them aside because it's not what you wanted to hear, so at this point I'm not certain what there is to add.

To say nothing of that fact that shitting on both candidates is unlikely to get more people to vote, to say the least, so your argument seems self-defeating to me.

[Benggaul]

Ahh the good old "orange man bad" argument from our totally not a trump supporter, not long now before we get the TDS crap to go along with it.

To be fair, he's not a Trump supporter. He's a member of the other cult who's upset his candidate didn't have as much support as he thought he did. This is all just a "taking my ball and going home" tantrum.

And just so I'm clear, I'm not calling all Bernie supporters cultists. Just the ones who think his loss in the primaries means suddenly there's no difference between Trump and the Dems.

[jonnysensible]

is jettisawn still mad the money he gave to tulsi when he was horny went to waste?

[beanman12345]

To be fair, he's not a Trump supporter. He's a member of the other cult who's upset his candidate didn't have as much support as he thought he did. This is all just a "taking my ball and going home" tantrum.

And just so I'm clear, I'm not calling all Bernie supporters cultists. Just the ones who think his loss in the primaries means suddenly there's no difference between Trump and the Dems.

I fully believe based on his 600 posts in this thread he's full pledge trumpster, he just cosplays as a disgrunted bernie supporter on here, but I don't buy it for a second, too many inconsistencies, and has let the mask drop a few too many times.