Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Kallisto]

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/100...AI-MtZgS_MtXv4

Georgia SoS says they have 1,000 potential cases of double-voting in the state. That's a lot!

It's also a state that saw 2.2 million votes in the primary.

Meaning that if 1,000 were cast twice, we'd be looking at a .00045% rate of voter fraud. Which seems fairly statistically insignificant, even if we assume (wrongly) that all of them voted the same way.

Hell that's just being potential which means it's highly likely many of them are likely 2 people same name or 2 people same birthday. So the fraud would be even more statistically insignificant.

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I feel like I've lost the thread...are people actually surprised that Biden, the more historically conservative Democrat who is repeatedly called a Republican for not being progressive enough in this thread, condemned antifa? And violence?

Because I feel like I am very much missing something but that's where things seem to have gone for a second.

[ati87]

I feel like I've lost the thread...are people actually surprised that Biden, the more historically conservative Democrat who is repeatedly called a Republican for not being progressive enough in this thread, condemned antifa? And violence?

Because I feel like I am very much missing something but that's where things seem to have gone for a second.

Antifa is a made up boogeymen who's online presence mostly is right-wingers.
From the right-wing point of view if you disagree with them and decide to protest
BLM = everybody that's black
Anitfa = Your white
George Soros is the guy who funds everything

[DingDongKing]

Struggling to keep track of this thread, because it inevitably gets derailed by concern trolls who are whining that Biden isn't left enough for them.

Because Bernie was left enough and he did so bloody well in the primaries, didn't he? What was the excuse for that?

The establishment were out to get him? Just like Trump tried to convince you? Bernie IS the better candidate, but the country isn't ready for him.

Biden has a steady lead. Whatever he's doing so far is working. He just needs to stay on message and move that undecided needle over.

It's that last set of voters who are susceptible to that ridiculous rhetoric of, 'love Trump or hate Trump, you have to vote for him' because whiteness or suburban life is under threat + the duff economy. Biden needs to focus on getting his economic message out in that regard, and soon.

If and when he wins, you can address the concerns you have via your constituency leaders. Then hope it works its way up the channel.

[Felya]

dude got it the wrong way round no one said that, if you are anti-fascist you are antifa...its literally what it means....whether you were SHARPs or whatever

falling into the trap of classifying leftists there too

What? How so? By commenting on the person bitching that Biden isn’t antifa enough or talking about how Trump is basing his whole campaign on defining it?

[DingDongKing]

What? How so? By commenting on the person bitching that Biden isn’t antifa enough or talking about how Trump is basing his whole campaign on defining it?

The people bitching about Biden are very much in the realms of straw-clutching central.

He's not awesome, but his platform is as comprehensive as it can get for a moderate Democrat.

The key is surrounding himself with the best and brightest if/when he wins.

[Felya]

The people bitching about Biden are very much in the realms of straw-clutching central.

He's not awesome, but his platform is as comprehensive as it can get for a moderate Democrat.

The key is surrounding himself with the best and brightest if/when he wins.

He is the only option... it’s bitching at people for making the only choice we have.

[DingDongKing]

He is the only option... it’s bitching at people for making the only choice we have.

Aye. I like Bernie Sanders. I would vote for Bernie Sanders if I were American. But I do not like this irrational behaviour from some of his base.

[Felya]

Aye. I like Bernie Sanders. I would vote for Bernie Sanders if I were American. But I do not like this irrational behaviour from some of his base.

It’s 2016 all over again... they think Biden has it won and are bitching in anticipation.

[DingDongKing]

It’s 2016 all over again... they think Biden has it won and are bitching in anticipation.

Thing is if Biden wins, Bernie will be right by his side. This isn't like Hilary, who doesn't like him. They'll work together.

[omerome]

Thing is if Biden wins, Bernie will be right by his side. This isn't like Hilary, who doesn't like him. They'll work together.

And this is the sticking point most people don't seem to get. You aren't getting any progression without electing Biden. Biden wasn't many people's first or second choice, but he is the ONLY choice we have unless you want this country to never achieve the things you want - Medicare for All, Education Reform, Racial Justice, etc. Those things take time.

So to all those who hate Biden, fine. But understand that hating Biden does not justify voting for the resident in the White House or not at all and expect good things to happen. You (not to who I quoted, but in general) are no better than his base who wants the world to burn or just wants to spite others.

[downnola]

The people bitching about Biden are very much in the realms of straw-clutching central.

He's not awesome, but his platform is as comprehensive as it can get for a moderate Democrat.

The key is surrounding himself with the best and brightest if/when he wins.

Considering his actual outline to protect worker pensions and strengthen collective bargaining, his pro-union stance is worth a vote alone. The usual suspects bitching about Biden would have bitched about Warren. They don't know what they're talking about half the time and have a shoddy at best understanding of his positions and policies. They heard someone on Youtube call him a conservative Democrat so they just regurgitate all that bullshit here.

Biden is no Warren or Sanders, but we could have done a lot worse. If you claim to be anti-fascist you'd think you'd be happy to support opposition to an actual fascist in office, but the perfect is the enemy of the good, apparently.

[Felya]

Considering his actual outline to protect worker pensions and strengthen collective bargaining, his pro-union stance is worth a vote alone. The usual suspects bitching about Biden would have bitched about Warren. They don't know what they're talking about half the time and have a shoddy at best understanding of his positions and policies. They heard someone on Youtube call him a conservative Democrat so they just regurgitate all that bullshit here.

Biden is no Warren or Sanders, but we could have done a lot worse.

I think the ‘all the same’ argument was legitimate, until 2016. I just think people who are still attacking Biden under that guise, simply can’t make the switch, because it was never really about issue or policy, but just by far the easiest argument one can make, without needing any relevant info to back it up. It might also explain the angst, since they are used to people not challenging them, when using ‘all the same’ arguments before. They don’t even seem to understand, why Trump supporters never challenge the ‘all the same’ arguments, but think Biden voters opposing it is a reflection of tribalism. They can’t seem to grasp that Trump is so incompetent that he can’t even run on his record... that calling Trump the same as Biden, is defending Trump and attacking Biden...

Edit: It’s like CommunismWillWin signature... if Biden and Trump are the same, because of Reade accusation, is Biden using the DOJ in a court case where a woman is requesting a DNA match to a Biden sample from him raping her? or is it that Trump isn’t doing it? Is it Biden who grabs them by the pussy, because he is a rich celebrity and all women want it? When people say they are the same... what are they actually saying?

[DingDongKing]

And this is the sticking point most people don't seem to get. You aren't getting any progression without electing Biden. Biden wasn't many people's first or second choice, but he is the ONLY choice we have unless you want this country to never achieve the things you want - Medicare for All, Education Reform, Racial Justice, etc. Those things take time.

So to all those who hate Biden, fine. But understand that hating Biden does not justify voting for the resident in the White House or not at all and expect good things to happen. You (not to who I quoted, but in general) are no better than his base who wants the world to burn or just wants to spite others.

Wholeheartedly agree. Biden is marijuana. He's that gateway drug to the sweet meth of M4A.

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Considering his actual outline to protect worker pensions and strengthen collective bargaining, his pro-union stance is worth a vote alone. The usual suspects bitching about Biden would have bitched about Warren. They don't know what they're talking about half the time and have a shoddy at best understanding of his positions and policies. They heard someone on Youtube call him a conservative Democrat so they just regurgitate all that bullshit here.

Biden is no Warren or Sanders, but we could have done a lot worse. If you claim to be anti-fascist you'd think you'd be happy to support opposition to an actual fascist in office, but the perfect is the enemy of the good, apparently.

Agreed on this too.

[Felya]

Wholeheartedly agree. Biden is marijuana. He's that gateway drug to the sweet meth of M4A.

Bad take alert... Biden... 3 strike rule... Pot being a class 1 drug... gateway being part of the rhetoric justifying it... bad combo...

Haha, you know exactly what I mean.

Totally, just talking shit.

[DingDongKing]

Bad take alert... Biden... 3 strike rule... Pot being a class 1 drug... gateway being part of the rhetoric justifying it... bad combo...

Haha, you know exactly what I mean.

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Oh, man. Can you imagine a troll post on a right wing website pitching that the Government legalise weed to support anti-BLM rednecks?

[Shadowferal]

Trump has the disadvantages of being so bad at his job that a charlatan like Biden finally has a chance.

We have two bottom of the barrel candidates. One who is trying to get people not to come out to the polls against him and the other who needs to give a reason for people to bother.

Trump should have done better to win over moderate repubs. But they too seem to be voting for Biden. And those that hold some name recognition are lobbying pn his behalf.

[Felya]

Trump should have done better to win over moderate repubs. But they too seem to be voting for Biden. And those that hold some name recognition are lobbying pn his behalf.

He can’t... his appeal is to extremes...

[Shadowferal]

I feel like I've lost the thread...are people actually surprised that Biden, the more historically conservative Democrat who is repeatedly called a Republican for not being progressive enough in this thread, condemned antifa? And violence?

Because I feel like I am very much missing something but that's where things seem to have gone for a second.

You have two sides that wants to logic Biden as a radical leftist because...Trump.
Yes, two sides. Both extremes.
That huge middle area? *shrugs* That's most of us.

[AntiFascistVoter]

How much of the anti-Biden noise on the thread is simply driven by Joe Rogan fans?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...29887592669184

It's mostly wild fantasies about an imaginary Biden. I would have said "drug fueled" fantasies. But it's more likely the saltiest Rogan fans dont have access to legal weed. This is them airing their grievances about it.


Naturally, Matt Tiabbi laughs loudly.