Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...bad-headlines/

Another example of conservative ignoring the fucking giant elephant on fire in the room.

What's the National Review's take on the audio showing Trump knowingly got Americans killed by downplaying the threat of a pandemic?

Who Could Have Foreseen Talking to Bob Woodward Would Generate Bad Headlines?

Not kidding. The article briefly touches on what Trump was recorded saying, but you'd never know that if you just read the headline.

Bonus points: Trump wanted to be interviewed on the record by Woodward for his followup book. So if the blame falls on anyone, it's literally purely on Trump. NRO doesn't bother to mention this.

This is the conservative alternate-reality.

[postman1782]

Yup, I think that's the appropriate takeaway.

Kinda curious how the Cult of Trump is going to explain this away.

I guarantee they don't speak at all. Guarantee they stay away for a few days, until they think they have a gotcha on Biden.

[DingDongKing]

I guarantee they don't speak at all. Guarantee they stay away for a few days, until they think they have a gotcha on Biden.

Na, they’ll just deflect. Pretend like it’s not a big deal. Meanwhile, they’ll doctor audio into Biden videos to make it look like he’s asking for teleprompters to be adjusted. Because teleprompters are more important than a pandemic. Dead people are already dead, big deal.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...o-reduce-panic

"If you said in order to reduce panic, perhaps that's so," Trump said Wednesday afternoon when asked if he downplayed the virus or misled the public to avoid panic.

"The fact is I'm a cheerleader for this country. I love our country," Trump continued. "I don't want people to be frightened. I don't want to create panic, as you say, and certainly I'm not going to drive this country or the world into a frenzy."

"We want to show confidence, we want to show strength, we want to show strength as a nation," he added.

Trump admitting that maybe he downplayed the pandemic.

Also, Trump appears to have completely forgotten the fearmongering at the Trump National Convention and...well...his entire campaign.

[DingDongKing]

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...o-reduce-panic

Trump admitting that maybe he downplayed the pandemic.

Also, Trump appears to have completely forgotten the fearmongering at the Trump National Convention and...well...his entire campaign.

It’s amazing how the media is just letting him get away with this. Just because it’s par for the course doesn’t make it any better. He’s let so many die.

[Edge-]

It’s amazing how the media is just letting him get away with this. Just because it’s par for the course doesn’t make it any better. He’s let so many die.

I mean, most report on the reality in their articles. But I'd love to see more media holding him accountable during questions, specifically. Because he's a choker, and he chokes under pressure, like when he needs to make a short put.

[beanman12345]

I guarantee they don't speak at all. Guarantee they stay away for a few days, until they think they have a gotcha on Biden.

They'll ignore it, just continue to concern troll about Biden.

edit - yup called it.

[DingDongKing]

I mean, most report on the reality in their articles. But I'd love to see more media holding him accountable during questions, specifically. Because he's a choker, and he chokes under pressure, like when he needs to make a short put.

Exactly. They need to hammer him. He’s a fucking nutcase, and has essentially left people to die with his decisions. It’s fucking negligent homicide.

[PACOX]

Seems like Biden isn't making great headway with the Hispanic vote and if he wanted to end any real chance Trump had he'd try and lock up Florida. I'm guessing they are banking on him stealing enough of the older more suburban voters, but the Hispanic demographic was one he also struggled with in Primaries and it seems it hasn't improved. The polls I've seen are a fairly small sample size, but consistent with what had happened in the primary.

Joe Biden struggling to appeal to Latino voters in Florida


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/op-e...an-fix-it.html

I don't know wtf is going on in FL but Trump has narrowed the gap in several polls.

Its okay. Biden has all the 'Never Trumpers' on his side./s

[cubby]

It,s okay, if you point out the flaws in the Biden campaign your labeled a Trump supporter. I think between older voter upset over his lack of leadership in the pandemic and those who hate how bombastic he is will depress GOP turn out. I still can't see it as a good strategy to take any voters for granted.

And even when you're right, you're wrong - you just continue to crack us up.

Pointing out the flaws in Biden's campaign has never been disparaged by myself - strategy critique is what we should all be about. Personal attacks, a clear delineation, are not ok, and certainly only help Trump. Shout if this continues to confuse you - I've only said it about 100 times in these and other threads, to you and others.

Now to the adult table...

The FL closing gap is troublesome. Biden had an 8 point lead at one point and it's now down below 3. Has he visited there recently?

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I don't know wtf is going on in FL but Trump has narrowed the gap in several polls.

Its okay. Biden has all the 'Never Trumpers' on his side./s

It's not ok - the FL gap closing isn't good.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ad-bts-vpx.cnn

Senator John Kennedy, when asked repeatedly about Trump privately telling Woodward that the virus was more deadly for the flu and then telling his supporters weeks later that the virus was a "Democratic hoax" -

"These gotcha books don't really interest me."

But, I hear you saying, it's not a gotcha or even a book! There's a recording of him saying it!

"These gotcha books don't really interest me."

But we have him on camera telling his supporters that two weeks later!

"These gotcha books don't really interest me."

Don't worry, he never actually addresses the question seriously because there is no good answer he can provide that doesn't involve, "Donald John Trump is homicidally incompetent and a proven liar."

[DingDongKing]

I don't know wtf is going on in FL but Trump has narrowed the gap in several polls.

Its okay. Biden has all the 'Never Trumpers' on his side./s

No one is okay with the Florida polls. It’s concerning, without a shadow of a doubt. But the thing is it’s possible to critique Biden’s strategy without being a child about it.

[PACOX]

No one is okay with the Florida polls. It’s concerning, without a shadow of a doubt. But the thing is it’s possible to critique Biden’s strategy without being a child about it.

Why are you always trying to prove much you're on board with Biden?

You're voting Biden and only like criticism coming from certain people. We get it.

[beanman12345]

And even when you're right, you're wrong - you just continue to crack us up.

Pointing out the flaws in Biden's campaign has never been disparaged by myself - strategy critique is what we should all be about. Personal attacks, a clear delineation, are not ok, and certainly only help Trump. Shout if this continues to confuse you - I've only said it about 100 times in these and other threads, to you and others.

Now to the adult table...

The FL closing gap is troublesome. Biden had an 8 point lead at one point and it's now down below 3. Has he visited there recently?

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It's not ok - the FL gap closing isn't good.

It's been explained by you 100 times, by countless others 100 times, to the exact same people. This isn't a case of ignorance, this is deliberate.

[akris15]

Seems like Biden isn't making great headway with the Hispanic vote and if he wanted to end any real chance Trump had he'd try and lock up Florida. I'm guessing they are banking on him stealing enough of the older more suburban voters, but the Hispanic demographic was one he also struggled with in Primaries and it seems it hasn't improved. The polls I've seen are a fairly small sample size, but consistent with what had happened in the primary.

Joe Biden struggling to appeal to Latino voters in Florida


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/op-e...an-fix-it.html

This...is really nothing odd historically. For those who fall into the Hispanic demographic in South Florida have always been extremely conservative and Republican, for example Marc Rubio. Most of these Hispanics are from family who left their country from Communist or other socialistic governments from the Cold War.

Democrats historically had issues getting Latino votes in South Florida Obama and Clinton were the ones who kinda bucked the trend to be honest. Naturally because they are fleeing systems they disagree with its natural these Hispanics are going to lean conservative. There are many different social backgrounds who falls into the Hispanic Demographic. Cubans for example are notoriously conservative and Republican.

With all this "socialism" going around I am actually surprised Biden isn't actually underwater. Back in 2016 there wasn't as much as a "Clinton is Socialist push" because the message was Clinton's ethics and Benghazi. The fact Biden is even with Trump considering all the "Socialism" push going on down there shows that there is still a chance. Biden needs to improve his message proving he isn't a socialist but there are other routes for Biden to win if he can't. Personally I don't see Biden winning this state for the reason below:

The fact that Florida, the president's home state, is tied with his challenger I find is the much more problematic issue with Trump.

[DingDongKing]

Why are you always trying to prove much you're on board with Biden?

You're voting Biden and only like criticism coming from certain people. We get it.

I’m British. I don’t live in the US. I can’t vote for Biden. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise that you’re just perpetually whining and have no actual constructive critique. Your critiques are literally the definition of madness, because you’re constantly trying to achieve a goal using the same method but yielding no result. Like I said, critique all you want, have constructive discussions. But just taking a high and mighty approach to how he’s ‘failing’ is not going to get you anywhere. But that said, Florida is a concern. You are right. Any polls narrowing is a concern. And I hope Biden gets over the line. If he doesn’t, everyone is fucked. Our Government sees your election as a referendum on right wing insanity. If Trump wins - especially by crooked means - we’ll go down the same path but with a hue of British arrogance about it.

[Benggaul]

Why are you always trying to prove much you're on board with Biden?

You're voting Biden and only like criticism coming from certain people. We get it.

Well, this is proof you don't pay attention. Val's not voting Biden. Val can't.

[beanman12345]

Why are you always trying to prove much you're on board with Biden?

You're voting Biden and only like criticism coming from certain people. We get it.

He literally can't vote. Also have some self respect and stop crying victim

[Draco-Onis]

Now to the adult table...

The FL closing gap is troublesome. Biden had an 8 point lead at one point and it's now down below 3. Has he visited there recently?

I honestly think Florida is a complete waste of time and ressources they should focus on more winnable states. The elections in that state are a clusterfuck even without the pandemic and all the shenanigans Trump is pulling he will probably win Florida by 5-6 points at least.

[Benggaul]

I’m British. I don’t live in the US. I’m not voting for Biden. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise that you’re just perpetually whining and have no actual constructive critique. Your critiques are literally the definition of madness, because you’re constantly trying to achieve a goal using the same method but yielding no result. Like I said, critique all you want, have constructive discussions. But just taking a high and mighty approach to how he’s ‘failing’ is not going to get you anywhere. But that said, Florida is a concern. You are right. Any polls narrowing is a concern. And I hope Biden gets over the line. If he doesn’t, everyone is fucked. Our Government sees your election as a referendum on right wing insanity. If Trump wins - especially by crooked means - we’ll go down the same path but with a hue of British arrogance about it.

To be honest I'm not particularly worried about Florida because I had already considered Florida a lost cause this year.

What I'm keeping my eye on is Pennsylvania since that to me is much more worrisome. Biden really kinda needs Pennsylvania to realize how much Trump fucked them over with his "coal" promises. 2016 was the first time since the 90's that Pennsylvania voted Republican and this administration has done nothing to help them--indeed has done much to fuck them over--yet the gap between Biden and Trump isn't all that huge. It really should be. If Biden wins Pennsylvania and one of the other BGs that flipped to GOP in 2016 I'd say odds are pretty solid he wins overall.