Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

Looks like a bunch of people twisting his words ad nauseum.

Apparently if a Qanon subscriber says the sky is blue and you agree you become part of Qanon as well.

What non-Q folks and non-conservatives are unironically talking about "Russiagate"?

[beanman12345]

We're about 20 days out from voter registration deadlines, including mail in deadlines. Just assume they are one in the same.

Check your status. Get your papers in order. If you need a registration card get a card. ID? Get and ID. Make it hard to steal your vote.

20 days comes a lot sooner than you think.

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Looks like a bunch of people twisting his words ad nauseum.

Apparently if a Qanon subscriber says the sky is blue and you agree you become part of Qanon as well.

I could see it looking like that to someone who is paying absolutely no attention. It's not reality though.

[jonnysensible]

ive not seen much qanon on this forum and jettisawn isnt qpilled.

looks like greenwald/taibbi/warnerd/rogan kinda talking points

[PACOX]

What non-Q folks and non-conservatives are unironically talking about "Russiagate"?

I'm not him but it. It looks like he was making a nuanced argument about not turning Russia into a bigger Boogeyman than it already is. Russia needs to be taken seriously, but is Russia behind every sinister plot in America? No. Should we be tempting armed exchanges with Russia ? No.

I think he is still letting Russia off to easy but mever did I read it as "Russia didn't do anything" just that people throw around the R word too frequently.

[beanman12345]

ive not seen much qanon on this forum and jettisawn isnt qpilled.

looks like greenwald/taibbi/warnerd/rogan kinda talking points

I don't think he's taking the qpill, but it's all conspiracy theory bullshit regardless at the end of the day no matter what you call it.

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This. He's like a super budget Theo with a massive victim mentality added in.

I mostly agree. But do people think Theo is some justice dem?

[eschatological]

Your arguments I am using Trump talking points is the exact same thing. Its not that I am echoing Trump talking points. Trump has always been good at latching onto criticism that land. Your horse shoe theory is also an exercise in degrading and shamming and provides no nuance for anything in between. You all characterize others because you can't comprehend why people would despise Biden. The rust belt that have been ignored for decades and their concerns dismissed is why so many choose to support Trump or just stay home, but instead of admitting that its easier to blame Russia. Its isn't because of the simplistic views espoused on this forum why Trump won in the first place and if he wins again it won't be because of some Facebook memes or anything said on a gaming forum

Bro, I live in the Rust Belt. In Buffalo. I grew up here.

Don't pretend to know jack shit about the Rust Belt with your Red Rose talking points. Every union member I know (and I know a great many) want the Dems to focus on protecting unions and workers' rights again, but they believe in the Democratic Party, and not whatever it is Bernie's supporters peddle. We saw this in Las Vegas, where the Culinary Workers came out against Bernie's plan for M4A because they had managed to negotiate a great plan that was BETTER than M4A through the power of their union.

The Rust Belt voters who went to Trump in 2016 went to him for precisely two reasons: 1) they believed his lies about bringing manufacturing back to the area, and 2) they are socially conservative, with issues of racism, homophobia, and sexism. The former have been dispelled of the notion that Trump in any way gives a shit about them. The latter should have never been Dems to begin with.

[Belize]

That was the leadership, of the union. The union themselves supported Bernie. You don't even have the facts straight. Also The Rust belt is bigger then Buffalo so how about you not speak for an entire region?

I also don't buy people voted for Trump in mass because they are racist, homophobic, or sexist. It's not based on anything but your feels. The fact you think that you would generalize such a large group of people is nothing but ignorance.

It must be very difficult for you to engage with us, since you clearly know better than everyone else about everything.

[Lynarii]

You all characterize others because you can't comprehend why people would despise Biden.

No. Most of us have said many times that we don't particularly like Biden much either. There aren't a whole lot of people, if you actually start looking at what we're saying, who have come out to say "Yeah, Biden is the best, we love him!". We're willing to support him not out of love for him, but because the alternatives are worse. You have in your sig a quote about 'half a bowl of shit', but frankly Trump winning is a FULL bowl of shit. If I have to eat shit either way, I'll take half as much thankyouverymuch. I don't like it, it's not something I would ever voluntarily ask for, but I'm not being given a 'no eating shit' option this election.

The rust belt that have been ignored for decades and their concerns dismissed is why so many choose to support Trump or just stay home, but instead of admitting that its easier to blame Russia. Its isn't because of the simplistic views espoused on this forum why Trump won in the first place and if he wins again it won't be because of some Facebook memes or anything said on a gaming forum

People talked quite a lot about Hillary's overconfidence and failures especially with regards to the rust belt at the time. The 2016 election was hers to lose, and her campaign was stunningly bad enough to pull it off. The thing is though? That's an American problem. There's nothing illegal about a bad candidate running a bad election and losing. In fact, that's kinda how democracy is supposed to work! The Russia stuff is more significant to talk about not because it was "The definitive reason everything happened the end!" but because collusion with outside actors IS illegal and NOT how democracy is supposed to work. Protecting our democratic process is something that should be important to every American who cares even a tiny amount about the good of the country. And I would say the same damn thing if it was the Democrats benefiting from it. "I would have won anyway" is an awful excuse for cheating at a family board game, and it's an awful excuse for cheating at a Presidential election.

[beanman12345]

I certainly hope not.

me too, it's why it boggles my mind why people think this thing is.

[eschatological]

That was the leadership, of the union. The union themselves supported Bernie. You don't even have the facts straight. Also The Rust belt is bigger then Buffalo so how about you not speak for an entire region?

I also don't buy people voted for Trump in mass because they are racist, homophobic, or sexist. It's not based on anything but your feels. The fact you think that you would generalize such a large group of people is nothing but ignorance.

Nah, it was the union as a whole that decided to specifically criticize Bernie's plans.

In fact, most unions have been rather firmly Establishment.

Also, why do you get to speak for the Rust Belt? AFAIK, you live in California? I grew up here, I live and work here as an adult, all my friends are union members, and so are their fathers. Hell, my best friend's father is a Teamster.

I offered my perspective on union views, that differed from yours. I actually know unions......you just claim to.

And I also know a bunch of my friends who voted for Trump in 2016, because of those two reasons I outlined, despite my best attempts otherwise.

Meanwhile, the Red Rose brigade tends to be upper middle class, college-educated white folks, who pretend to know what's best for the working class. Tell me, have you ever walked a picket line? I have. You ever sat in a labor organizing meeting? I have.

Now, surely I can't speak for Cleveland, or Akron, or Pittsburgh.....but you can't speak to anything.

[Belize]

I never claimed to know better, I only ever claimed to espouse my opinions.

That's funny coming from someone berating others for using feels over facts.
Maybe you should take your own advice.

[Easo]

The US government is not a God, and I don't think God would involve himself in the politcs of Mankind even if he exist.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Edge-]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...fdm-story.html

The Trump administration has secretly siphoned nearly $4 million away from a program that tracks and treats FDNY firefighters and medics suffering from 9/11 related illnesses, the Daily News has learned.

The Treasury Department mysteriously started withholding parts of payments — nearly four years ago — meant to cover medical services for to firefighters, emergency medical technicians and paramedics treated by the FDNY World Trade Center Health Program, documents obtained by The News reveal.

The Trump administration is stealing money intended to go to 9/11 first responders medical care, has been for years, has taken more each year, and will not say why.

Again, how this is even a close election is beyond me.

[bladeXcrasher]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...fdm-story.html



The Trump administration is stealing money intended to go to 9/11 first responders medical care, has been for years, has taken more each year, and will not say why.

Again, how this is even a close election is beyond me.

Remember when Trumplicans didn't want to sign the spending bill extending coverage?

[Felya]

If calling out dishonest people and moderators continually mischaracterize me is a victim mentality then guilty as charged.

Because it was already linked, and I stated!

Yet, why didn’t you quote the person linking the article? WTF? Let me guess, you don’t consider that dishonest?

Well Bernie isn't a Justice Democrat and none of the Justice Democrats voter shame people unlike the majority in this forum.

Literally what you are doing to everyone voting Biden...

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Ya know what, I really have no reason to believe this is anything but a troll, but fuck it, I'm gonna give ya the benefit of the doubt on this one.

You should delete the quote, in case he returns to delete it, as he said...

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Damn I guess the US should stop meddling on South American elections then, I mean otherwise it'd be pretty hypocritical of us.

Yes, they should... you are a hypocrite for not bitching about meddling against US...

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Looks like a bunch of people twisting his words ad nauseum.

Apparently if a Qanon subscriber says the sky is blue and you agree you become part of Qanon as well.

Nope... The Russian Hoax is literally QAnon and Trump rhetoric... try it in context... say it about the Russian hoax, instead of the sky being blue...

[jonnysensible]

The Russian Hoax is literally QAnon and Trump rhetoric

its more just normal MAGA than Q

[downnola]

its more just normal MAGA than Q

Q is just rebranded Elders of Zion garbage to be fair.

[Felya]

Your arguments I am using Trump talking points is the exact same thing. Its not that I am echoing Trump talking points. Trump has always been good at latching onto criticism that land. Your horse shoe theory is also an exercise in degrading and shamming and provides no nuance for anything in between. You all characterize others because you can't comprehend why people would despise Biden. The rust belt that have been ignored for decades and their concerns dismissed is why so many choose to support Trump or just stay home, but instead of admitting that its easier to blame Russia. Its isn't because of the simplistic views espoused on this forum why Trump won in the first place and if he wins again it won't be because of some Facebook memes or anything said on a gaming forum

I despise Biden, have shown you numerous times... yet, you keep including me in this bullshit, despite being too scared to respond. People are responding to you like this, because you cannot comprehend that no one here is voting Biden for Biden. The reason why people react as either or, is not because of being loyal Biden supporters, but because of it being a binary choice. You simply don’t care and ignore that, because it inhibits your victim complex and negates you’re entire narrative... it’s really that simple...

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its more just normal MAGA than Q

Isn’t that really splitting hairs? The different is the extent of the democrat conspiracy to get Trump.

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Q is just rebranded Elders of Zion garbage to be fair.

The owner of 8Chan is Q... he was doxxed a few weeks ago and his YouTube matches... It’s QAnon without mentioning it by name and yoga...

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As I keep saying, all assertions of war with Russia or Russia Hoax, are better evaluated without Trump’s interference and DOJ:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program

Russians have been trying to influence US politicians and businessman since before being caught in 2010. The results were the release of Skripal, being traded for Russian spies that instead of getting poisoned by evil US CIA, are celebrities. There was no war... but, there was a sign off by Trump and a Russian oligarch for a 3 billion dollar project in Russia, just months after purchasing golf courses in Scottland, which it self was just a couple of years after filing bankruptcy... Where did he get the money?

[beanman12345]

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I just deleted the whole post, I think he read but if not, meh.

[jonnysensible]

Isn’t that really splitting hairs? The different is the extent of the democrat conspiracy to get Trump.




The owner of 8Chan is Q... he was doxxed a few weeks ago and his YouTube matches... It’s QAnon without mentioning it and yoga...

nah its important to distinguish general maga from Q, maga is a pathway for sure.

Jim watkins? nahhh

you talkin bout this https://www.logically.ai/articles/qa...rom-new-jersey