Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Gaidax]

I said nothing of the sort... Why did Trump veto the resolution signed by both, democrats and republicans? Where is the evidence of imminent threat Trump asserted after bombing their general? If you think that means there is something fishy there... I agree...

Quite frankly - Soleimani should have been offed two decades ago, before he managed to do all the damage he did.

That's one big mistake of US "foreign policy" for sure. I'd say Trump was late with that one, but in case of Soleimani - better late than never.

[Thekri]

How does that help me? I am an American currently living in a pandemic that's killed nearly 200,000 Americans already. Our economy is contracting and there's no hope for meaningful stimulus or support from the Federal Government to help people, cities, and states in dire need of additional funding and assistance.

Why the fuck do I give a shit about a country that a majority of Americans couldn't point out on a map?

What the fuck happened to "AMERICA FIRST"? While Americans are dying and suffering he's bragging about helping a foreign country.

Eh, you can walk and chew gum at the same time. Well, in Trump's case he struggles walking down ramps, but at least he can brag about this. It is one of his few accomplishments that is not appalling (At least with what we know so far, it is 50/50 we found out something horrific about it in a few weeks). All politicians brag about their wins. This isn't going to be one of the ones I fight him on.

The coronavirus response continues to be horrific, but that isn't really related to this.

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Quite frankly - Soleimani should have been offed two decades ago, before he managed to do all the damage he did.

That's one big mistake of US "foreign policy" for sure. I'd say Trump was late with that one, but in case of Soleimani - better late than never.

Yep, said that when he first got killed. Bush should have killed him. If he didn't, Obama should have. Trump... I don't think Trump understood what he was doing, and I am not sure it was the right time and place, but I am not going to shed any tears over Soleimani's much deserved end.

[beanman12345]

Quite frankly - Soleimani should have been offed two decades ago, before he managed to do all the damage he did.

That's one big mistake of US "foreign policy" for sure. I'd say Trump was late with that one, but in case of Soleimani - better late than never.

What about the damage trump has done? oh trump, the peace dove, with the blood of 200,000 dead americans on his hands.

[Gaidax]

What about the damage trump has done? oh trump, the peace dove, with the blood of 200,000 dead americans on his hands.

How is that related, exactly?

It's like as if I go ahead and try to meme Obama's Nobel peace prize with drone bombings and destroying a country. Obama's Nobel peace prize was a joke of a century, IMO. Freshly elected guy gets a peace prize for being elected, then proceeds to destroy Lybia. /shrug

But you don't see me do that? Eh? Bygones be bygones and of the last 3-4 presidents US had, one of Trumps "achievements", if you will, is that he did not destroy a country during his presidency... yet...


His handling of COVID-19 was (edit) and is ATROCIOUS, there is no doubt about that. It will forever remain a huge and real stain on his "legacy". But that does not make him a "warmonger" some people try to paint him.

[draynay]

How is that related, exactly?

It's like as if I go ahead and try to meme Obama's Nobel peace prize with drone bombings and destroying a country. Obama's Nobel peace prize was a joke of a century, IMO. Freshly elected guy gets a peace prize for being elected, then proceeds to destroy Lybia. /shrug

But you don't see me do that? Eh? Bygones be bygones and of the last 3-4 presidents US had, one of Trumps "achievements", if you will, is that he did not destroy a country during his presidency... yet...


His handling of COVID-19 was ATROCIOUS, there is no doubt about that. It will forever remain a huge stain on his "legacy". But that does not make him a "warmonger" some people try to paint him.

The thread is about the election, Trump fuck ups will be on topic.

[Gaidax]

The thread is about the election, Trump fuck ups will be on topic.

As well as his achievements...

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Was? It still is. American still has a massive issue with the virus and as much as Trump and the administration might try, it isn't a past tense situation.

I'll make special edit to that quote for sake of you feels.

[Benggaul]

No, he would have to create an API pulling death toll, to replace 200000... because by the end of 2020, that number is likely to need an update.

It will need an update by the end of the month. Hell, by the middle of next week.

[DocSavageFan]

Stop calling them Peace Deals. They are recognitions of sovereignty. It is a good thing as it is, stop calling it something it isn't. Bahrain and Israel have never been at war, it isn't a peace deal.

These are actually good achievements, I am skeptical of what it took to get them, but we will see.

All the major media outlets are calling them peace agreements...you do understand this...right?

[beanman12345]

As well as his achievements...

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I'll make special edit to that quote for sake of you feels.

ahh yes his achievements of getting you a nice vacation deal.

[Gaidax]

Nothing to do with feels, just facts. Unless you somehow disagree?

Your feels about me using a past tense in a manner that triggered your response naturally.

I have no issue to oblige there, because I am all too ready to blame him and his administration for the failure in handling the pandemic. Past, present, future and all 16 possible combinations of these.

It's integrity thing.

[DocSavageFan]

How does that help me? I am an American currently living in a pandemic that's killed nearly 200,000 Americans already. Our economy is contracting and there's no hope for meaningful stimulus or support from the Federal Government to help people, cities, and states in dire need of additional funding and assistance.

Why the fuck do I give a shit about a country that a majority of Americans couldn't point out on a map?

What the fuck happened to "AMERICA FIRST"? While Americans are dying and suffering he's bragging about helping a foreign country.

Why does everything need to be about you? Peace agreements make the world a better place for everyone...at least this was the case the last time I checked.

[JohnBrown1917]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-cuts-unlikel/

Seems nothing will really change for the rest of the world, no matter who wins. But, oh!, we might even see more droning!

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He does not have any.

[Gaidax]

Why does everything need to be about you? Peace agreements make the world a better place for everyone...at least this was the case the last time I checked.

Trump did it and it destroys our narrative of him being a warmonger who is after death and destruction. Heaven forbid we dare mention anything positive in context of Trump, that would break the Spiral of Silence rules.

Frankly, I already said it a year ago in some similar thread. Trump has PLENTY of failings to latch on, it won't make peoples' crowns fall if they mention an odd achievement as well in the sea of failures either.

That too, is integrity.

[Thekri]

All the major media outlets are calling them peace agreements...you do understand this...right?

No, all the major ones I look at (BBC, Rueters, AP, Aljazeera, USA today, Vox) have it as a normalization deal. Fox has it as a peace deal, and I suspect other right wing outlets do, but it is actually a normalization deal. Bahrain was not at war with Israel, so it isn't a peace deal.

[DocSavageFan]

I'm glad you care about Bahrain and Isreal there are good people there, a bit of a shame you don't care about the US though, 200k dead.

Your a liar...the worst kind of liar imo.

[JohnBrown1917]

Trump did it and it destroys our narrative of him being a warmonger who is after death and destruction. Heaven forbid we dare mention anything positive in context of Trump, that would break the Spiral of Silence rules.

Frankly, I already said it a year ago in some similar thread. Trump has PLENTY of failings to latch on, it won't make peoples' crowns fall if they mention an odd achievement as well in the sea of failures either.

That too, is integrity.

It hardly destroys anything becease we are still in the same year where he killed the highest ranking general of Iran.

[DocSavageFan]

No, all the major ones I look at (BBC, Rueters, AP, Aljazeera, USA today, Vox) have it as a normalization deal. Fox has it as a peace deal, and I suspect other right wing outlets do, but it is actually a normalization deal. Bahrain was not at war with Israel, so it isn't a peace deal.

Here's some "right wing outlets" you missed. Semantics...is semantics.

Bahrain–Israel peace agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrai...eace_agreement

Israel agrees peace deal with Bahrain as Donald Trump hails 'another historic breakthrough'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ace-agreement/

U.S. Brokers Peace Deal Between Israel And Bahrain
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielc.../#5b4b220843ea

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Trump did it and it destroys our narrative of him being a warmonger who is after death and destruction. Heaven forbid we dare mention anything positive in context of Trump, that would break the Spiral of Silence rules.

Frankly, I already said it a year ago in some similar thread. Trump has PLENTY of failings to latch on, it won't make peoples' crowns fall if they mention an odd achievement as well in the sea of failures either.

That too, is integrity.

Agree 100%. Integrity appears to be in short supply in this forum...and I fear that it's a lost virtue.

[jonnysensible]

He sent troops off to Saudi Arabia as mercenaries in exchange for payment. Dude isn’t the dove you think he is, he just has to see a profit to want to send kids to die.

dropped the fucking moab on afgan lol

[Thekri]

Here's some "right wing outlets" you missed. Semantics...is semantics.

Bahrain–Israel peace agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrai...eace_agreement

Israel agrees peace deal with Bahrain as Donald Trump hails 'another historic breakthrough'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ace-agreement/

U.S. Brokers Peace Deal Between Israel And Bahrain
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielc.../#5b4b220843ea

Amusingly, the wikipedia article has a banner explaining they are probably going to change it to a normalization agreement, which is explained if you follow the links. Trump did call it a Peace Deal, which was picked up by a few media streams, but not by most. It is fair to say that some of them did though, I didn't poll all of them, so those are fair examples.

Anyway, agreed, semantics is semantics. I am not knocking this achievement, as you see earlier. I am cautious about it, because I trust Trump as much as I trust a wolverine not to bite, but on the face it looks like a good thing. The vast body of Trump's foreign policy is horrific however, both in relation to his conduct towards conflicts, and even more importantly diplomatically. Conflict has been described as the failure of diplomacy, and it that is true, Trump is sowing the seeds for a lot of major conflicts.

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dropped the fucking moab on afgan lol

That one is irrelevant. I guarantee Trump had no advance knowledge of it. The military considers the GBU-43 a conventional weapon, as such it requires no special permissions outside of the normal CDE (Collateral Damage Estimate) requirements. It was really a matter of finding a target that justified it, and having one handy. It probably weighed into the decision that all the GBU-43s are reaching their expiration dates, and it is a matter of using it, recertifying it, or disabling it.

[beanman12345]

Your a liar...the worst kind of liar imo.

I keep telling him that, but it's what he does. Some can't argue on the merits so they tend to mischaracterize and lie about other people's positions.

Two of trumps biggest cheerleaders on this forum calling me a liar brings a smile to my face.