Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[JohnBrown1917]

I keep telling him that, but it's what he does. Some can't argue on the merits so they tend to mischaracterize and lie about other people's positions.

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Trump had the CDC implement an eviction ban US wide? That's something isn't it ?

Even if it is doesn't absolve the rent/housing payments due that is occurring during that time. It'll be up to congress to come up with something to fix that short fall. Outside the CDC purview.

If it does not get rid of the debt they will build up, it will not fix anything

[PACOX]

Because you are blind:

What are you quoting me for?

You seem to have to time separating "So-so had a point a one point in time" and "So-so is always right". I'm going to leave that a that because I know what I said when I said it

I also called out the game being played when Biden is called the leader of the 'radical left'. Funny how it keeps being brought up by Republicans but your problem is that someone on the left pointing it out...so you can ignore when they toss out distraction like "Biden is the leader of ANTIFA".

Its like you're protecting the Right

[JohnBrown1917]

It'll keep people in their homes for the next 3 months. So it's not nothing, and again when it comes to paying for such things that is up to Congress.

No chance congress will do anything, or any future president.

[postman1782]

Trump allows reporters to ask him questions all the fucking time. Biden avoids reporter questions like the plague. Do you ever stop to wonder why?

Probably because he is being asked gotcha questions. At least he doesn't tell people to drink bleach like Trump does.

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Because he can't handle unscripted questions and avoid saying something stupid without help. One reason he really avoids questions which he feels he has no control over what they are. Biden is a puppet for the radical socialist crowd of the Democrat party. It has been made so clear by now.

No smart politician would ever pick a running mate who during the primary had trashed him as bad as Kamala Harris did. She believed his accusers of sexual misconduct and attacked his previous record in politics.

Endus already debunked this bullshit. You don't seem to care do you?

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Meanwhile, in addition to UAE, Bahrain has just announced a peace agreement with Israel.

You mean the agreement that Netanyahu doesn't intend to uphold? And will keep stealing land as soon as they can? That they admitted to doing already?

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Let's start with a fact check....

Fact check: Did Biden support wars in Iraq, Serbia, Syria and Libya?
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-did-...ibya/19257083/

Mostly True.

Fact check: Did Trump ALSO support those wars? Yes, yes he did.

[Noxx79]

Because he can't handle unscripted questions and avoid saying something stupid without help. One reason he really avoids questions which he feels he has no control over what they are. Biden is a puppet for the radical socialist crowd of the Democrat party. It has been made so clear by now.

No smart politician would ever pick a running mate who during the primary had trashed him as bad as Kamala Harris did. She believed his accusers of sexual misconduct and attacked his previous record in politics.

I could smell this bullshit from a couple threads away. But I don’t expect much from someone who is on Medicare being against Medicare for all, and someone on social security cheering it’s demise.

[Draco-Onis]

Trump did it and it destroys our narrative of him being a warmonger who is after death and destruction. Heaven forbid we dare mention anything positive in context of Trump, that would break the Spiral of Silence rules.

Frankly, I already said it a year ago in some similar thread. Trump has PLENTY of failings to latch on, it won't make peoples' crowns fall if they mention an odd achievement as well in the sea of failures either.

That too, is integrity.

No offense but that is pure bullshit and you know it. All these countries have been working with Israel before Trump. Israel's image is worse not better you should be thanking Iran which is the driving force. Even Saudi Arabia is in on this it is the world's worse kept secret making it official is just a formality.

If Iran imploded tomorrow they would all turn on Israel and you know it. If you are really desperate to credit a US president give it Bush for screwing up the balance by invading Iraq which is why Iran is the threat it is today.

[JohnBrown1917]

More countries getting closer to Isreal in the ME is not a good thing anyway, this just means they are choosing Isreal over the Palestians.

[Gaidax]

More countries getting closer to Isreal in the ME is not a good thing anyway, this just means they are choosing Isreal over the Palestians.

Arab countries are plenty tired of Palestinians. That's an unspoken truth.

They are a useful fig leaf for them from time to time, but Palestinians' attempts to sit on 3 chairs at once is getting on some nerves there enough to step over them for key players.

It's one of the reasons why these agreements happened, at some point these states just weighted all the for and against and realized they can reap the benefits and sell it in a good light locally, as popularity of this whole Palestinian thing is not where it was and populace is increasingly ignoring this govt' fig leaf of "but look at Palestine" to hide their own problems.

[Draco-Onis]

More countries getting closer to Isreal in the ME is not a good thing anyway, this just means they are choosing Isreal over the Palestians.

Not really they are choosing Israel over Iran, the Palestinians are just collateral damage Bush really screwed up the ME when he took out Iraq from the equation. Once US troops leave Iraq there are good odds it will fall under Iran's influence as well that's on top of having a foothold in Syria.

[Gaidax]

No offense but that is pure bullshit and you know it. All these countries have been working with Israel before Trump. Israel's image is worse not better you should be thanking Iran which is the driving force. Even Saudi Arabia is in on this it is the world's worse kept secret making it official is just a formality.

If Iran imploded tomorrow they would all turn on Israel and you know it. If you are really desperate to credit a US president give it Bush for screwing up the balance by invading Iraq which is why Iran is the threat it is today.

There is one thing working behind the scenes, but there is whole another deal of full recognition + ties. This is a very big change in policy by a key Arab state, that is to not be underestimated.

Security and military channels are one thing, official recognition and full trade relations, however, are a whole next level deal.

It's quite literally a breach of a unified front of "no normalization with Israel" for Arab League members and it will make many others follow suite.


As for "imploded tomorrow", I assure you - nobody is under illusion here that it can't be a possibility, but guess what, once the cat's out of the bag it's far more difficult to go ahead and put it back in. This is also a big reason why this is important, you can sever hidden channels fast, but with agreements like this - it's not that simple.

Agreements with Egypt and Jordan show that, these are countries we fought multiple hot wars with and in the end there is peace, sometimes tenuous, but peace and cooperation nonetheless.

All in all, Iran is not going anywhere. Even if, by some miracle, tomorrow they make a complete 180 - it's still Persia vs Arab world. At most they might be frenemies, but that's about it.

[Draco-Onis]

There is one thing working behind the scenes, but there is whole another deal of full recognition + ties. This is a very big change in policy by a key Arab state, that is to not be underestimated.

But it's not because everyone knew about it this was the only way it could have played out because of Iran. Can you point out specifically to what Trump did? Maybe you want to give him credit for handing Iran a gift in Syria and accelerating this process? Why are you giving him credit?

[Gaidax]

But it's not because everyone knew about it this was the only way it could have played out because of Iran. Can you point out specifically to what Trump did? Maybe you want to give him credit for handing Iran a gift in Syria and accelerating this process? Why are you giving him credit?

His busywork bees were all over this, it's not some coincidence that there is a F35 deal coming out of this.

Yes, Iran is a thing, but it was a thing for soon 2 decades now, it's not the only reason why this happened. The whole actual deal was in making since around 2017, there were a lot of poorly hidden US registered executive plane flights between Israel and a few countries including UAE that perceptive monitors spotted.

Let's not pretend UAE just woke one day and decided "whelp, let's do that" - there was plenty of pushing around by US. Same goes for US influence on Israel actions on the ground.

[Draco-Onis]

His busywork bees were all over this, it's not some coincidence that there is a F35 deal coming out of this.

Yes, Iran is a thing, but it was a thing for soon 2 decades now, it's not the only reason why this happened. The whole actual deal was in making since around 2017, there were a lot of poorly hidden US registered executive plane flights between Israel and a few countries including UAE that perceptive monitors spotted.

Let's not pretend UAE just woke one day and decided "whelp, let's do that" - there was plenty of pushing around by US. Same goes for US influence on Israel actions on the ground.

But UAE has been purchasing weapons from Israel even before Trump, the F-35 deal was started six years ago well before Trump took office. Iran was not that big of a threat when it had Iraq to keep it in check if you want to give credit to an US president give it to Bush for being a colossal fuck up.

[Gaidax]

But UAE has been purchasing weapons from Israel even before Trump, the F-35 deal was made six years ago well before Trump took office. Iran was not that big of a threat when it had Iraq to keep it in check if you want to give credit to an US president give it to Bush for being a colossal fuck up.

Please...

Iran is a big threat for at least a decade, I think you are forgetting that Syria happened almost 10 years ago now and Iran already back then had their cells and proxies aplenty in the ME, courtesy of Soleimani - the guy was an evil genius on par with Professor Moriarty when it came to establishing an armed network of proxies all around ME.

It's not like UAE suddenly woke up last year and were like "my god, Iran!" - this shit is simmering for many many years already, same goes for other Arab League states.

In the end, Iran is indeed a factor, but to actually push for agreement you need a lot more than that, otherwise you'd have these agreements back in Obama's era already.


Until something last week trading with Israel was banned by law in UAE. I have no idea where you bring your "Israel sold weapons to UAE" thing from, but I'll give you a benefit of doubt on that one, let's for a second assume they did - it's still a drop in the bucket compared to actual full trade relations up from being banned in law from trade.

We could not even have planes taking off from Israel fly over UAE and SA as of last week. And now both UAE and SA cleared it. There are a lot of things happening and happening very fast.

BTW, not mentioned, but Israel and Kosovo also mutually recognized each other last week. All part of this. Spoiler alert: Sudan is next in line after Bahrain, btw.

This is why it's so important - literally a big wall of "no" is finally crumbling.

[Draco-Onis]

Please...

Iran is a big threat for at least a decade, I think you are forgetting that Syria happened almost 10 years ago now and Iran already back then had their cells and proxies aplenty in the ME, courtesy of Soleimani - the guy was an evil genius on par with Professor Moriarty when it came to establishing an armed network of proxies all around ME.

It's not like UAE suddenly woke up last year and were like "my god, Iran!" - this shit is simmering for many many years already, same goes for other Arab League states.

In the end, Iran is indeed a factor, but to actually push for agreement you need a lot more than that, otherwise you'd have these agreements back in Obama's era already.

Again these talks started under Obama 2 years before Trump even took office, Obama doing the Iran nuclear deal could also be a factor. You have yet to tell me what specifically Trump did to make it happen beside it happening under his watch. Trump's policies with Israel has been damaging to its reputation around the world, the Arab nations are just more scared of Iran. Trump did not help your image it's gotten considerably worse, Iran is not just a factor it is the factor Trump is irrelevant.

[eschatological]

You do realize I was talking about Biden's record on war...right? But thanks for your "constructive" post.

Trump literally assassinated the Iranian equivalent of their SecDefense in January. Did everyone forget that? I know 2020 is a long year, but holy shit, that happened this year.

That's an act of war by any standard.

[Gaidax]

Again these talks started under Obama 2 years before Trump even took office, Obama doing the Iran nuclear deal could also be a factor. You have yet to tell me what specifically Trump did to make it happen beside it happening under his watch. Trump's policies with Israel has been damaging to its reputation around the world, the Arab nations are just more scared of Iran. Trump did not help your image it's gotten considerably worse, Iran is not just a factor it is the factor Trump is irrelevant.

I am not surprised that you try to somehow make it Obama's deal - you be you... Must do everything to strip Trump and his team of any sort decent work they did, eh?

Obama is long irrelevant, it's been years. He's done and gone and the world moved on. I'd follow you if it was a year after his term, but we're 4 years now, so you will have to live with the fact that it's Trump's administration that successfully led to this conclusion.

[JohnBrown1917]

Arab countries are plenty tired of Palestinians. That's an unspoken truth.

They are a useful fig leaf for them from time to time, but Palestinians' attempts to sit on 3 chairs at once is getting on some nerves there enough to step over them for key players.

It's one of the reasons why these agreements happened, at some point these states just weighted all the for and against and realized they can reap the benefits and sell it in a good light locally, as popularity of this whole Palestinian thing is not where it was and populace is increasingly ignoring this govt' fig leaf of "but look at Palestine" to hide their own problems.

yeah, its obvious they care more about gaining power than actually doing anything about the genocide against theirs neighbours, this has been obvious for a long while. Just like they don't care about what China is doing.

[Draco-Onis]

I am not surprised that you try to somehow make it Obama's deal - you be you... Must do everything to strip Trump and his team of any sort decent work they did, eh?

Obama is long irrelevant, it's been years. He's done and gone and the world moved on. I'd follow you if it was a year after his term, but we're 4 years now, so you will have to live with the fact that it's Trump's administration that successfully led to this conclusion.

ROFLMAO I think you will find I am no fan of Obama not just one bit but I am simply pointing out that this started before Trump since the whole thing started six year ago. Again you have yet to tell me what specific foreign policies Trump did to make this happen, you want to give him credit that's fine you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Unfortunately though most Americans don't care about foreign policy so this won't have any effect on the election.

[eschatological]

Trump did it and it destroys our narrative of him being a warmonger who is after death and destruction. Heaven forbid we dare mention anything positive in context of Trump, that would break the Spiral of Silence rules.

Frankly, I already said it a year ago in some similar thread. Trump has PLENTY of failings to latch on, it won't make peoples' crowns fall if they mention an odd achievement as well in the sea of failures either.

That too, is integrity.

I actually don't think he's a warmonger. Mainly because he kowtows to dictators and wannabe authoritarians, like your precious Bibi. He just capitulates to all of them. This week he's on the RECORD as having bragged about defending MBS when he literally cold-blooded murdered a Washington Post reporter.