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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    Yeah that's about the intellectual level of the Biden supporter. Go on endlessly about how bad Trump is without reference to a single actual policy in a recurring loop.
    Lol Biden supported, I supported Bernie. But ok.

    You must be joking or something. That progressive Muslim ban? That progressive Trans-military ban? Putting cronys in every position going? looting state funds?

    Id be typing for days to go through it all. You sure seem to like carrying water for the far right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    That thinking though is entirely contingent on a view that all problems begin and end with Trump and his election is essentially "When the fire nation attacked!" kinda deal. If Trumps election is because of the sort of Neo-Liberalism championed by Biden then doing more of that (He tapped Larry Sommers as econ advisor for example), will likely lead to a much worse situation later on. So electing Biden is akin to chugging poison to avoid dying of poison.

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    A Medium article versus Ryan Grim, the guy who broke the original Christine Blaisy Ford story? Amazing. I guess Partisanship really does color how one sees the world.

    Funny story about the Russia canard against Reade, all of her writings were from a creative writing class she was in. Probably why the Biden campaign stopped harping on that point as a defense. So I ask you, how is she politically motivated? And in what way is your making this claim any different or less blatant partisan hackery/Sycophantic Shilling than Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire claiming the same things about Christine Blaisy Ford? You look like partisan to me.

    Heck here is the reporter from the Weinstein Investigation to comment on why we need to hear her out:


    Plus, it should be noted that Ryan Grim continues to find corroborating evidence for Reade's claims, as I posted. I don't know, We could argue this is just a completely baseless partisan attack, we could argue that its a scurrilous charge against a Democrat nominee done purely for attention or to wreck his reputation in service of Trump or Putin; but you know, i suspect Old Orbitus might respond with:



    Incidentally, consider this your free lesson in how you save receipts to prove something.
    You didn't read ANY of that did you? They have the fucking receipts. I don't fucking care WHO WROTE THE ARTICLE, they have fucking sources. And -snip- I don't listen to that piece of shit. They used her own twitter against her, her friends say she is lying, they have blog posts and multiple posts on Twitter showing her support for Biden til she apparently went schizophrenic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    (He tapped Larry Sommers as econ advisor for example)
    Is there a reason you keep seeming to intentionally misspell the name "Larry Summers"? Or is it just a repeat accident?

    Because I initially had no idea who you were talking about as "Larry Sommers" is a historian and has nothing to do with economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    He didn't need to do very much. Cancelling TPP was more than Hilary was prepared to do.
    How does letting corporations trade without regulations, help US workers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    I mean I think Biden is a poor choice. But lets not pretend hes anything close to Trump. Biden will be Obama 2.0 with domestic drone strikes on boogaloo militias. We know what Trumps platform is, full on looting and paralysing of the state with tide pod chugging and lot of racism.

    Biden will likely be a limp dick but Trump is a fucking disaster. You can't seriously say the GOP and Trump are good for progressives. Liberals might suck balls but you have more in common than them than you do with far right presidents.
    Eh, they are essentially going along with the most objectionable parts of Trumps political agenda, and where they disagree its for terrible reasons. Immigration in the end, the GOP is for Open Borders and so are the Dems, both are parties for cheap labor, though Dems will not say as much. Taping Larry Sommers as ones econ advisor is also a sign of the same trajectory, basically for many Americans whom don't live in Brooklyn and host a podcast, who can afford Obama 2.0 in their life? Trump has the horrific vision of corruption that makes Liberals scream, but Obama was essentially corruption and looting but with a fresh face of decorum and a chummy relationship with the media. Lets not forget the empowerment of Larry Sommers under Obama.

    And given Biden's own words of "Nothing will fundamentally change" than the choice is literally an aesthetic choice, do you value Decorum enough to show up and vote for that, even if in structural and policy terms NOTHING will actually change. I don't find decorum, aesthetics and idpol "MORE FEMALE DRONE PILOTS! *CLAP EMOJI*" to be a huge seller.

    Because again, it all seems contingent on a belief that all problems started in 2016 and will end the minute Trump is gone. And also forgetting that every single Republican whom has ever run, or been elected has been called a Fascist, was a Fascist, was proclaimed Fascistic. So unless one thinks that Leftists need to STFU until some fateful day when a Not-Bad Republican runs or when the stakes are not "Too High", well that day will never come because EVERY election the "stakes are too high" and "This guy is basically Lord Voldemort" is always going to be said. I can recall when Bush was Hitler, When Romney was full Fash hell there is a whole Atlantic article about this tendency to declare all the GOP since forever as the worst thing ever.

    So it seems the message to this luke warm Socialist movement Sanders has brewed up is "Shut up and vote blue no matter who until no opposition party exists!" then its essentially telling a movement to wait forever. Every Republican is going to be the worst person ever, not like the last one who also was the worst person ever. So if the time for a Leftist to stick up for themselves isn't right now, then when is a good time? When the sun explodes?
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    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    Yeah I can. GOP and Trump are good for progressives.
    stephen miller the progressives friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    He didn't need to do very much. Cancelling TPP was more than Hilary was prepared to do.
    This is dumb : /

    The TPP won't be the only shock. What do you think would have happened rn had the GOP succeeded in dismantling the ACA?

    What do you think will happen to people that will face predatory loans due to the Trump administration rescinding the rules and allowing payday loans to take advantage of the poorer communities.

    Trump avoided the TPP but that doesn't really matter if there isn't a strong safety net for people for when the next recession comes (mind you we are in one rn)

    Also I think people exaggerate what the TPP would have really done or its impact on workers (which I think people mean outsourcing??) but that is a topic for another thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
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    Dude. Not ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    This is dumb : /

    The TPP won't be the only shock. What do you think would have happened rn had the GOP succeeded in dismantling the ACA?

    What do you think will happen to people that will face predatory loans due to the Trump administration rescinding the rules and allowing payday loans to take advantage of the poorer communities.

    Trump avoided the TPP but that doesn't really matter if there isn't a strong safety net for people for when the next recession comes (mind you we are in one rn)

    Also I think people exaggerate what the TPP would have really done or its impact on workers (which I think people mean outsourcing??) but that is a topic for another thread
    Are you a big supporter of safety nets? Heck why the ACA which is just forcing people to buy health insurance instead of you know, a Universal Healthcare program?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    That thinking though is entirely contingent on a view that all problems begin and end with Trump and his election is essentially "When the fire nation attacked!" kinda deal. If Trumps election is because of the sort of Neo-Liberalism championed by Biden then doing more of that (He tapped Larry Sommers as econ advisor for example), will likely lead to a much worse situation later on. So electing Biden is akin to chugging poison to avoid dying of poison.

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    A Medium article versus Ryan Grim, the guy who broke the original Christine Blaisy Ford story? Amazing. I guess Partisanship really does color how one sees the world.

    Funny story about the Russia canard against Reade, all of her writings were from a creative writing class she was in. Probably why the Biden campaign stopped harping on that point as a defense. So I ask you, how is she politically motivated? And in what way is your making this claim any different or less blatant partisan hackery/Sycophantic Shilling than Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire claiming the same things about Christine Blaisy Ford? You look like partisan to me.

    Heck here is the reporter from the Weinstein Investigation to comment on why we need to hear her out:


    Plus, it should be noted that Ryan Grim continues to find corroborating evidence for Reade's claims, as I posted. I don't know, We could argue this is just a completely baseless partisan attack, we could argue that its a scurrilous charge against a Democrat nominee done purely for attention or to wreck his reputation in service of Trump or Putin; but you know, i suspect Old Orbitus might respond with:



    Incidentally, consider this your free lesson in how you save receipts to prove something.
    So, why did you not believe Ford when Kavanaugh was being accused?

  11. #1211
    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    Mate it is 2020, it is not ok to smear sexual assault victims. I don't know how you think this is an acceptable strategy.
    I am not smearing them, they aren't credible if they are ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    Yes it will be fucking horrible. You know what is even more horrible: every year social inequality increasing and society becoming worse because EVERY fucking election you get a choice between two neo-liberal candidates.
    So, who are you voting for in November, my fellow American?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I am not smearing them, they aren't credible if they are ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE.
    So Ryan Grim reported this story why? Why was his reporting trustworthy for Christine Blaisy Ford but now he doesn't know how to pick his stories? Weird.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Eh, they are essentially going along with the most objectionable parts of Trumps political agenda, and where they disagree its for terrible reasons. Immigration in the end, the GOP is for Open Borders and so are the Dems, both are parties for cheap labor, though Dems will not say as much. Taping Larry Sommers as ones econ advisor is also a sign of the same trajectory, basically for many Americans whom don't live in Brooklyn and host a podcast, who can afford Obama 2.0 in their life? Trump has the horrific vision of corruption that makes Liberals scream, but Obama was essentially corruption and looting but with a fresh face of decorum and a chummy relationship with the media. Lets not forget the empowerment of Larry Sommers under Obama.

    And given Biden's own words of "Nothing will fundamentally change" than the choice is literally an aesthetic choice, do you value Decorum enough to show up and vote for that, even if in structural and policy terms NOTHING will actually change. I don't find decorum, aesthetics and idpol "MORE FEMALE DRONE PILOTS! *CLAP EMOJI*" to be a huge seller.

    Because again, it all seems contingent on a belief that all problems started in 2016 and will end the minute Trump is gone. And also forgetting that every single Republican whom has ever run, or been elected has been called a Fascist, was a Fascist, was proclaimed Fascistic. So unless one thinks that Leftists need to STFU until some fateful day when a Not-Bad Republican runs or when the stakes are not "Too High", well that day will never come because EVERY election the "stakes are too high" and "This guy is basically Lord Voldemort" is always going to be said. I can recall when Bush was Hitler, When Romney was full Fash hell there is a whole Atlantic article about this tendency to declare all the GOP since forever as the worst thing ever.

    So it seems the message to this luke warm Socialist movement Sanders has brewed up is "Shut up and vote blue no matter who until no opposition party exists!" then its essentially telling a movement to wait forever. Every Republican is going to be the worst person ever, not like the last one who also was the worst person ever. So if the time for a Leftist to stick up for themselves isn't right now, then when is a good time? When the sun explodes?
    But, you aren't a leftist, why the sudden "concern" for your political opponents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    So Ryan Grim reported this story why? Why was his reporting trustworthy for Christine Blaisy Ford but now he doesn't know how to pick his stories? Weird.
    Are you saying you change your mind, and now believe Ford?

    Very well, let's hear you admit to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    Yes it will be fucking horrible. You know what is even more horrible: every year social inequality increasing and society becoming worse because EVERY fucking election you get a choice between two neo-liberal candidates.


    Its my mistake for thinking that a burner account could say something productive

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    Pretty strong evidence against Biden:

    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/...ade-joe-biden/

    TLDR: 30 years ago, a month after the staffer claiming Biden fingerbanged her against her will was fired, her mom called the Larry King show to ask what she should do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post


    Its my mistake for thinking that a burner account could say something productive
    Joe Biden's history as a Neo-Liberal, even described as such in the 80's is pretty well documented.
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    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    He didn't need to do very much. Cancelling TPP was more than Hilary was prepared to do.

    How did putting most of Americas farmers on welfare help workers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    I don't think you understood what i wrote.
    I understood what you wrote.

    Its very cringe and typical of leftists to call anyone slightly supportive of capitalism as neoliberals. I'm saving myself time here

  20. #1220
    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    Pretty strong evidence against Biden:

    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/...ade-joe-biden/

    TLDR: 30 years ago, a month after the staffer claiming Biden fingerbanged her against her will was fired, her mom called the Larry King show to ask what she should do.
    I guess that means you cannot support Biden, nor Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trathinuit View Post
    Take it up with the people who actually voted Trump.
    So, whoa re you voting for?

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