Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Gaidax]

yeah, its obvious they care more about gaining power than actually doing anything about the genocide against theirs neighbours, this has been obvious for a long while. Just like they don't care about what China is doing.

It's Middle East. It is always about power and alliances.

Frankly, so is all the world. Everyone loves waving their little "justice and democracy" tropes, even guys like Erdogan. For US - it's their favorite passtime too.

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I actually don't think he's a warmonger. Mainly because he kowtows to dictators and wannabe authoritarians, like your precious Bibi. He just capitulates to all of them. This week he's on the RECORD as having bragged about defending MBS when he literally cold-blooded murdered a Washington Post reporter.

First of all Bibi is not "my precious" - I voted for his opponents and I lost fair and square, 4 times and counting.

Secondly, paint me surprised, US leaders cuddling their dictators, not first and not last, buddy. 3/4 of the Middle East is dictatorships of some kind and sort, does not prevent US and the World smiling and making deals and selfies with them, so don't try to make it a "Trump thing".

Suddenly US woke up and realized SA is a dictatorship? This can't be troooooo????? Obama, Bush and so on - all happily cut deals with them and others just fine and nobody batted an eyelash.

[eschatological]

It's Middle East. It is always about power and alliances.

Frankly, so is all the world. Everyone loves waiving their little "justice and democracy" tropes, even guys like Erdogan. For US - it's their favorite passtime too.

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First of all Bibi is not "my precious" - I voted for his opponents and I lost fair and square, 4 times and counting.

Secondly, paint me surprised, US leaders cuddling their dictators, not first and not last, buddy. 3/4 of the Middle East is dictatorships of some kind and sort, does not prevent US and the World smiling and making deals and selfies with them, so don't try to make it a "Trump thing".

Suddenly US woke up and realized SA is a dictatorship? This can't be troooooo????? Obama, Bush and so on - all happily cut deals with them and others just fine and nobody batted an eyelash.

And we criticized Obama and Bush for it.

But at least those guys were firm with *some* of them. On *some* basis. And yes, maybe which ones they were firm with were politically convenient, but Trump is a coward who stands up to literally NOBODY.

[Kaleredar]

Let's start with a fact check....

Fact check: Did Biden support wars in Iraq, Serbia, Syria and Libya?
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-did-...ibya/19257083/

Mostly True.

If you're citing political fact checks as evidence against Biden's capabilities, boy is Trump a bad hill for you to die on.

[Gaidax]

And we criticized Obama and Bush for it.

But at least those guys were firm with *some* of them. On *some* basis. And yes, maybe which ones they were firm with were politically convenient, but Trump is a coward who stands up to literally NOBODY.

I mean, he does stand up to China, for one. Too little too late, but by far more than his predecessors did.

So not completely true there, buddy.

Frankly, I think Trump is a victim of a very longstanding policy of "let's kick the can" by previous administrations, which includes North Korea, China, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. All these were rolled over from one administration to next, until they grew into this cancerous shit nobody wants to touch.

So yes, he's also one of the "let's kick the can" guys further down when it comes to NK, no surprises there. At least he does try to take China down a peg, but IMO the moment where it could truly work has passed.

[eschatological]

I mean, he does stand up to China, for one. Too little too late, but by far more than his predecessors did.

So not completely true there, buddy.

Frankly, I think Trump is a victim of a very longstanding policy of "let's kick the can" by previous administrations, which includes North Korea, China, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. All these were rolled over from one administration to next, until they grew into this cancerous shit nobody wants to touch.

So yes, he's also one of the "let's kick the can" guys further down when it comes to NK, no surprises there. At least he does try to take China down a peg, but IMO the moment where it could truly work has passed.

He has completely weakened our stance and actual power against China, so IDK what you're talking about. I guess he talks a lot about the "China virus"? That's all bloviating, and no actual bite.

[Felya]

What are you quoting me for?

I don’t know... I would think showing proof of what I was saying and how you are being conned, would have been obvious... but, it looks like you had a different interpretation.

You seem to have to time separating "So-so had a point a one point in time" and "So-so is always right". I'm going to leave that a that because I know what I said when I said it

What? Try again...

I also called out the game being played when Biden is called the leader of the 'radical left'. Funny how it keeps being brought up by Republicans but your problem is that someone on the left pointing it out...so you can ignore when they toss out distraction like "Biden is the leader of ANTIFA".

Yeah, you called it out, while literally getting played. I don’t think you understand how you are being played... Why don’t you demand that Biden lean into Trump attacks? Again... just like Trump trolled Bernie supporters to do it...

Its like you're protecting the Right

Oh, totally... it’s how you agree with a guy claiming that Biden is a far leftist puppet, but disagree with me that demanding Biden go further left, is Trump’s tact. Funny that...

[Gaidax]

He has completely weakened our stance and actual power against China, so IDK what you're talking about. I guess he talks a lot about the "China virus"? That's all bloviating, and no actual bite.

If you'd be a bit more honest you'd remind yourself about Huawei and how pressure by US in addition to ban, literally makes countries drop their 5G projects with them.

He did a lot more than just "talk" there. And Huawei is not the only thing, just the biggest and most painful for China.

[Felya]

I keep telling him that, but it's what he does. Some can't argue on the merits so they tend to mischaracterize and lie about other people's positions.

Wait? Now you agree with a Trump supporter downplayed Corona death count? Dude... Trump lied, 200000 Americans died... that’s not a misrepresentation.

Trump had the CDC implement an eviction ban US wide? That's something isn't it ?

What happens when all the rent is due after the election? Don’t you think Biden’s plan is better, not just in the longevity, but the effect it self? I have not seen anyone, for either side criticizing it... seems far superior to Trump’s plan to just hold the payments until after election.

Even if it is doesn't absolve the rent/housing payments due that is occurring during that time. It'll be up to congress to come up with something to fix that short fall. Outside the CDC purview.

What’s wrong with Biden’s plan?

[eschatological]

If you'd be a bit more honest you'd remind yourself about Huawei and how pressure by US in addition to ban, literally makes countries drop their 5G projects with them.

He did a lot more than just "talk" there. And Huawei is not the only thing, just the biggest and most painful for China.

That effort was led by Europe, not by Trump.

[PACOX]

Oh, totally... it’s how you agree with a guy claiming that Biden is a far leftist puppet, but disagree with me that demanding Biden go further left, is Trump’s tact. Funny that...

Why are lying? What is there to gain from it? The one time I agreed with Ghostpanther has nothing to do with calling Biden a 'far leftist puppet'.

[Draco-Onis]

If you'd be a bit more honest you'd remind yourself about Huawei and how pressure by US in addition to ban, literally makes countries drop their 5G projects with them.

He did a lot more than just "talk" there. And Huawei is not the only thing, just the biggest and most painful for China.

I highly suggest you stick to the ME because clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Trump's one man war against China has more damage to US foreign relations than anything else because he has spit in the face of our allies and treated them just as bad as China. There's no trust between even the US and Canada even though we have a deal they don't trust us to honor it. Trump has been a gift to China when he walked away from the international deals Obama was working on he sent a lot countries running to China.

Although China has taken a hit economically Trump has advanced China's initiatives by decades by opening doors that previous president closed for them in the Asia Pacific and African region. The US cannot stand up to China alone and win evidenced by his Chinese trade ban resulting in South America becoming the new supplier for China for goods and US farmer feeling the pain. Trump has basically giving the Chinese regime a good reason to wean off US goods while the US cannot find another market as big as China to replace that.

China has been playing checkers Trump plays tic tac to going after Huawei, Tik Tok is small potatoes compared to the sheer windfall China is going to recoup from the deals they have made because the US decided to take its toys and go home on the international stage. You have the US government issuing warning to European countries on China and them straight up ignoring anything we say.

[Gaidax]

That effort was led by Europe, not by Trump.

Please, you make me smile.

The one who started the Huawei ban wave is Trump and it was part of his taking on China. US uses a lot of influence to prevent that rollout. Europe picked this up, but what really pushed over the domino was US.

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You have the US government issuing warning to European countries on China and them straight up ignoring anything we say.

Huawei disagrees...

[Thekri]

Trump literally assassinated the Iranian equivalent of their SecDefense in January. Did everyone forget that? I know 2020 is a long year, but holy shit, that happened this year.

That's an act of war by any standard.

No, he killed someone that is closer to their equivalent of Erik Prince. He was the leader of a irregular portion of the Revolutionary Guard, which is itself not the Iranian Military (At least legally, in practice it basically is). He is also someone that has killed hundreds if not thousands of Americans. While Trump's judgement on that strike was questionable, don't paint him like he was some sort of peaceful bystander. He was a guy with decades of experience killing Americans wholesale who was in town preparing to do it again.

[Felya]

Why are lying? What is there to gain from it? The one time I agreed with Ghostpanther has nothing to do with calling Biden a 'far leftist puppet'.

I’m not lying, when you literally referred to what I’m talking about... His comment was literally directed at that discussion. It’s called fanning the flames. Why would someone who thinks Biden is a puppet of the far left, agree that you get mistreated by people pointing out the very thing he said in this thread?

I will repeat for the 1000 time... Having 100% of GOP effort going to demonize the very thing you demand from Biden, is shifting the Overton Window to the right. It’s nothing personal, it is what it is.....

Edit: Let me put it another way... Trump never stopped running against Bernie. Trump’s campaign is literally demonizing Bernie and all of the policy he stood for, by claiming Biden is secretly controlled by the far left. I know you don’t want to defend Biden from Trump’s attacks, but he isn’t actually attacking Biden... he is attacking Biden as a proxy for Bernie. It’s why Panther said what he did...

Edit 2: When Trump cohort scare people with far left extremes, there is a reason they don’t mention the criminal Justice record of Biden and Harris.

[PACOX]

I’m not lying, when you literally referred to what I’m talking about... His comment was literally directed at that discussion. It’s called fanning the flames. Why would someone who thinks Biden is a puppet of the far left, agree that you get mistreated by people pointing out the very thing he said in this thread?

I will repeat for the 1000 time... Having 100% of GOP effort going to demonize the very thing you demand from Biden, is shifting the Overton Window to the right. It’s nothing personal, it is what it is.....

OK bud. You're so so wrapped in 'owning' anyone left of you that you're seeing stuff that's not even there.

[DingDongKing]

I am so glad that normalised diplomatic relations between countries in the Middle East will be the magical vaccine that Trump mentioned.

It totally ties into the notion of 'America First'.

I am so glad that normalised diplomatic relations between countries in the Middle East will bring back the 200k that died due to Trump's lies.

It totally ties into the notion of 'Make America Great Again'.

I am so glad that normalised diplomatic relations between countries in the Middle East will address the issues of systematic racism dividing the US.

It totally ties into the notion of 'Keep America Great'.

I am so glad that normalised diplomatic relations between countries in the Middle East will support people who are prey to insurance companies in the US that are exploiting folk, the mass evictions that will soon sweep across the country and record unemployment claims crippling the people.

It totally ties into the notion of 'Promises Made Promises Kept'.

I am so glad that normalised diplomatic relations between countries in the Middle East does NOTHING to get America out of the hole it's in right now.

It totally ties into the notion of 'It Is What It Is'.

[Felya]

OK bud. You're so so wrapped in 'owning' anyone left of you that you're seeing stuff that's not even there.

I don’t care about owning shit. If you are too afraid to respond, because of some stupid shit about being owned, I swear to all there is... if I do end up being right or that you do admit to being wrong... I won’t gloat... I don’t care... I still remember how shit was, before you called me a rape apologist... let me guess, that was reasonable? That was deserved for simply voting Biden, to stop Trump? You don’t think something else is at play?

I still remember Ghost Face killer brah... I’m not here to own... I give a shit...

Edit: You can push me all you want... I will never respond in spite...

[Draco-Onis]

Huawei disagrees...

Thank you for proving my point.

[Omega10]

I highly suggest you stick to the ME because clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Trump's one man war against China has more damage to US foreign relations than anything else because he has spit in the face of our allies and treated them just as bad as China. There's no trust between even the US and Canada even though we have a deal they don't trust us to honor it. Trump has been a gift to China when he walked away from the international deals Obama was working on he sent a lot countries running to China.

Although China has taken a hit economically Trump has advanced China's initiatives by decades by opening doors that previous president closed for them in the Asia Pacific and African region. The US cannot stand up to China alone and win evidenced by his Chinese trade ban resulting in South America becoming the new supplier for China for goods and US farmer feeling the pain. Trump has basically giving the Chinese regime a good reason to wean off US goods while the US cannot find another market as big as China to replace that.

China has been playing checkers Trump plays tic tac to going after Huawei, Tik Tok is small potatoes compared to the sheer windfall China is going to recoup from the deals they have made because the US decided to take its toys and go home on the international stage. You have the US government issuing warning to European countries on China and them straight up ignoring anything we say.

China is definitely not ignoring what we say. They are becoming more and more independent of the US day by day, and are already decoupling their economy from ours. We are at war with China - and they are fighting the war hard.

From what I've read, the only real damage we will be able to do to them is if we cut off chip production materials, and do it soon. They are replacing the pieces of their supply chains that are in hostile countries as fast as they can - hostile to them of course, such as the US and Japan. And they are moving quite fast.

The war with China will continue to heat up, and both countries will pay a price for it. It is not clear how it will turn out, though with the virus situation the way it is now I would say that China has quite a few significant advantages. It would not surprise me in the least if the result of this is that they crush us, especially with our intense internal infighting.

[Ghostpanther]

This is how despicable some of the Democrats can be in order to push their political narrative. Using the image of a injured Iraq war veteran in one of their political adds without that soldier's permission and especially so when he does agree with their accusation against our President....