Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[shimerra]

Being called the support of a fascist is an insult, and it's an out right lie. I don't care how you want to try and spin that it isn't. I take it as one, and I won't be silent while people continue to call me one. If people don't want me to fill this pages refuting it then they should stop with the childish attacks. Similar to how Shimerra had just done. Also I'm hurting the ones I love??? Jesus. LOL

I call you accurately. You've already been thoroughly educated by myself and others on this form hundreds of time and it hasn't sunk in. You're simply not worth the effort to explain things for a tenth time. I'm not at all interested in how you wish to rationalize or justify your ignorance and indifference because you live in a blue state and your vote "doesn't matter". If you'd like to stop being called a Trump supporter try not using the exact same unsubstantiated nonsense they push along their with Russian troll farm buddies. You have literally called the Russia investigation a hoax, something only sycophantic Trumpers do, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I would go on but again your principles have locked you into a state of ignorance. You are the literal picture next to horseshoe theory demonstrating that far right loons and far left loons once they go far enough end up at almost exactly the same place. Swept up by a cult of personality just like they were.


Trump's plan alone with literally face fuck social security. As in totally destroy it. And Republicans have happily and excitedly gone right alone with Trump on comparably ridiculous things no matter how badly you've deluded yourself that isn't the case. Now I know you struggle with basic logic but which is worse a cut or a big fat nothing? I'll give you a hint because you can't be trusted to get the answer right. The big fat nothing is worse. Medicare for all or any helpful improvements to healthcare are 100% guaranteed to not happen under Trump. Something you claim to support. While Biden may not go as far as you or I would prefer he's vastly less likely to make it worse, which can be counted on 100% under Trump. To put another way Bernie for you was a lovely slice of your favorite pie. Biden is eating a vegetable you don't care for. Trump is eating a literal dog turd and here you spend all your days crying about the veggie you might have to eat. Yet for some reason you spend most of your time repeating the add campaign that is trying to tell you no it's the veggie that taste like a turd and the turd is really ice cream. That is you actively fighting against the interest of people you claim to care about. You may not have much weight because anyone with sense values your thoughts on things as much as they value the previously mentioned dog shit but you're definitely doing your damnedest to put your thumb on the side of the scale that is worse for your so called principles.

Most of your posts are following lockstep with Republican lies/attacks, and Russian troll farms, with many of your nonsense whines about Biden and your inability to understand that Bernie lost because he screwed up and didn't appeal to a majority will always cripple you. Just like conservatives the secret silent majority doesn't support you either. There's plenty to not like about Biden. But if you actually support what you claim you do with your venerable "principles" there's once choice that face fucks everything you claim to care about and another choice that gives some of what you want, some less than desirable half or quarter measures, and some of what you don't and the don't is massively less bad. You have refuted exactly nothing and simply continue to confirm what any intelligent person could see from reading one post. You are the left's version of a Trump supporter and you've done more to help his campaign than a full time Russian troll. Criticizing is one thing and it's not what you do. You ring far more like a paid member of Trump's campaign staff to spread the blatant misinformation he pushes.

[Felya]

@Jettisawn sorry dude, super bothersome.

I'm not going to enjoy everyone defending him like they have for Obama.

Can you please explain that comment... you do understand how absurd it sounds without explanation?

Edit: You cannot claim I’m taking things out of context, when I ask for an explanation and show why I might misunderstand.

[Felya]

How is Trump going to pass a social security tax cut while Democrats control half of Congress?

How did he pass it, to be active since September 1st? You keep talking about how he will pass it, while we are on day 16? WTF? You are not responding to what I am saying... pay roll tax cut has been in effect for 16 days.

Republican states have even opted out of it because they now it doesn't make any sense.

That’s fantastic... are the other states not paying in defunding it or not? Are you defending this tax cut or what?

Edit: Quoting businesses that the issue is the delay, is not helping your point.

Edit 2: If Trump extends it indefinitely as he promised, doesn’t their problem go away? WTF?

Edit 3: Let me guess... GOP will stop Trump kicking millions from healthcare? GOP will stop Trump’s spending? GOP will stop Trump defunding pandemic response team? GOP will force Trump to follow Obama’s Justice reform?

Edit 4: Still confused why there is a misunderstanding?

Edit 5: You really should explain how believing the GOP will contain Trump, is a valid argument in 2020, from a far leftist? The floor is yours...

Edit 6: I just need to walk away from the site for a bit... what far leftist uses business, as a defense of an argument, relying on the defunding of Social Security being slower... because they don’t like that it’s a delay... do you think these same businesses are taking advantage of their side of the payroll tax cut, while saying the above? Want to guess?

Businesses reject Trump payroll tax plan while postponing their own tax bills
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...x-bills-414899

Tens of thousands of companies are taking advantage of little-noticed provisions approved by Congress allowing them to postpone paying their payroll taxes until next year and beyond. Among them: Chipotle Mexican Grill, UPS, American Airlines, Wendy’s, AMC Entertainment, SeaWorld and Chico’s.

Oops?

[Felya]

If I'm too far left, that means I am to left of the most Corporate Democrats who are Center right. A left version of a Trump supporter.

So far left, you think GOP will stop Trump and use business that is pocketing their end of a tax cut, not doing the same for their workers, to defend Trump’s tax cut. It doesn’t make any fucking sense...

Edit: You really think there is no issue in arguing that Biden is worse, because GOP will stop Trump?

[Kaleredar]

I am more concerned about what the politicians do.

...like calling POWs disappointments for being captured?

Too many say all kinds of stuff and make a lot of vague promises.

...Like Trump.

How's that wall coming along?

Is Trump making sure our trees don't explode first? I hear it's a yuge problem in Europe, apparently.

Also, what are your opinions on Trump point blank advising people to vote twice, and therefore commit electoral fraud? That all just go billed under "stuff you don't necessarily agree with, but you still like the man?"

There are many past military leaders who support Trump. So your narrative is based on some who do not.

I have never, EVER heard a military leader describe any other president as "making a mockery of the constitution" or comparing the president directly to nazis is their leadership tactics, as Mattis has done for Trump. Not for Obama. Not for Bush. Not for Clinton. And not for any president before that.

The very fact that a general... ANY general... would speak out against the president of the United States in such a direct and lambasting way should speak volumes.

And it does not matter who got the most votes during the primaries.

Yeah, it does, because it means that's the person they'll be voting for for president.

If all of the "all powerful radical leftists" were secretly pulling the strings

He picked Harris because there is another ( the most important to them ) agenda the far left radicals are pushing for. Biden wins, Harris will be the manipulator of him. The more I learn about Harris, the more I feel she is a horrible pick for VP. A true one eyed jack if there ever was one.

Yeah all of those "radical leftists" shadow government boogeymen you're implying run some secret kabal really don't like Biden or Harris.

Though I will say it's interesting to see you playing right into what was long touted as the general republican strategy before any of the democratic nominees had even been remotely settled... they'd try and paint the democratic nominee, whoever it may be, as a socialist, and the success or failure of Trump's 2020 bid would depend on their ability to do that or not.

I suppose it's good that Biden became the democratic nominee, then, because it's much more difficult for them to paint him as some "radical leftist boogeyman." Even you have to refer to the invented notion of some sort of "insidious puppet master" controlling him, because you can't actually attack his policies on their own merit.

This isn't a James Bond movie. There are no secret elders of zion pulling the strings out to get you.

Biden should win and I will not be surprised if he does. But if Biden loses, you can pick as one reason, him picking her as his running mate.

If Biden loses it isn't going to be because he picked Kamela Harris.

I'm predicting that a Biden loss will come almost solely from Trump's routine and systematic destruction of the USPS, including but not limited to refusing to fill positions within the USPS because he'd be forced to make its leadership bipartisan, instructing them to fill the USPS postmaster general position with someone with absolutely zero postal experience who owns tens of thousands of dollars worth of stock in amazon and who upon his appointment began to slash the USPS budget, the removal of drop off mail boxes, and the destruction of mail sorting machines. Basically, the complete and total degradation of the ability for the absolutely 100% legal and valid mail-in ballots to be tallied in time or accuracy before the election, the error in counting which could very well swing the margin of the vote in Trump's favor.

You're totally fine with the president doing that too, right? Or is that just another thing you "don't agree with, but the dissolution of democracy is fine because he lowered your taxes or whatever?"

[Dontrike]

The CNN (Edit: it was ABC, brain fart) town hall was a trap, no doubt about it.

Y-you're kidding, right? The thing he knew about and knew would happen was a trap? Really?

[Flower Milk]

this is fucking insane

https://time.com/5889093/joe-biden-michigan-campaign/

“I can’t even find a sign,” Sabbe says outside a Kroger’s in Sterling Heights, where surrounding cars fly massive Donald Trump flags that say “No More Bullsh-t” and fellow shoppers wear Trump T-shirts for their weekend grocery runs. “I’m looking for one of those storefronts. I’m looking for a campaign office for Biden. And I’m not finding one.”

The reason Sabbe can’t find a dedicated Biden campaign field office is because there aren’t any around here. Not in Macomb County, the swing region where Sabbe lives. It’s not even clear Biden has opened any new dedicated field offices in the state; because of the pandemic, they’ve moved their field organizing effort online. The Biden campaign in Michigan refused to confirm the location of any physical field offices despite repeated requests; they say they have “supply centers” for handing out signs, but would not confirm those locations. The campaign also declined to say how many of their Michigan staff were physically located here. Biden’s field operation in this all-important state is being run through the Michigan Democratic Party’s One Campaign, which is also not doing physical canvassing or events at the moment. When I ask Biden campaign staffers and Democratic Party officials how many people they have on the ground in Michigan, one reply stuck out: “What do you mean by ‘on the ground?'”

Granted anonymity to share candid assessments of the campaign, other top Democrats are more pointed. “Calling a telephone number isn’t a connection,” says one leading Michigan Democratic official. “Some of the same people that said everything was okay four years ago are the same people saying everything’s okay now.”

Goldman of Fems for Dems says she’s ready to dispatch her army of women to knock on doors for Biden, if only the campaign would ask. The Biden campaign calls her for help finding Republican women who might be inclined to vote for Biden (“you might as well ask me to find you a unicorn,” she says), but not for help recruiting volunteers to knock doors. “I want them to ask me, ‘Give us a hundred women’s names and let us send them out like soldiers into the neighborhoods.’” She’s worried that focusing entirely on phone calls and emails means ignoring voters who may not show up in the data. “If you’re not in the system,” she says, “Joe Biden doesn’t even know how to reach you.”

Besides, she adds, Michigan is opening up. “If you’re allowed to go to Michaels, or you’re allowed to go to Target, I don’t see why they can’t go to a campaign office,” Goldman continues. Her voice starts to shake as she adds: “I’m afraid we’re losing. I’m afraid we’re going to lose.”

Even though Biden isn’t knocking on doors in Michigan, other Democratic candidates are. Goldman’s army of women is canvassing to flip the Michigan statehouse and elect Democrats to school boards and county commissions. Slotkin has been working doors in a socially distanced way, dropping off literature in her tight swing district in what she calls a “contactless canvass.” State Rep. Darrin Camilleri’s team has knocked on more than 15,000 doors for his re-election campaign this year. None of them have any Biden literature to hand out, because the state Democratic Party hasn’t finished printing it.

These candidates insist that canvassing, when done carefully, can be safe even amid a pandemic. I went door-knocking on Sunday with Camilleri in Gross Ile, Mich., and he had the choreography down: ring the doorbell, tuck his campaign literature into the door handle, take two big steps backwards, and wait 20 seconds. If the voter answers—which they often do, since everyone is home—he waves and shouts to be heard through his mask.

Camilerri, a 28-year old former high school social studies teacher, was first elected to represent a region called downriver in the Michigan House of Representatives in 2016 after personally knocking on 17,000 doors. It’s an area full of the union workers and pocketbook voters that were once gettable for Democrats, but helped elect Trump that year. “Door knocking is the only way, in my opinion, that any Democratic campaign can win” in this area, he says, noting voters in this area “voted for Trump and they voted for me.”

When Camilleri approaches a small house in a neat neighborhood, Mark Ferrera answers the door, takes Camilleri’s mailer, and stops to chat as his dog scratches at the screen door. A retired union autoworker, Ferrera says he’s a lifelong Democrat who voted for Clinton in 2016. Camilleri will get his vote, but Ferrera’s still not sure whether he’ll vote for Biden. “Right now, the way he’s campaigning—I want to hear what he can do, not just bashing Donald Trump,” he says. “I haven’t heard anything from Joe Biden yet.”

[PhaelixWW]

this is fucking insane

What's insane?

[postman1782]

What's insane?

She thinks that because there aren't signs out, it means he is losing. I don't see a single sign in my tiny podunk town, but I know people are stupid enough to vote Trump.

[Machismo]

Y-you're kidding, right? The thing he knew about and knew would happen was a trap? Really?

I don't think he is smart enough to know it would happen. He looked woefully unprepared for it.

[Dontrike]

I don't think he is smart enough to know it would happen. He looked woefully unprepared for it.

That's nothing special, he's unprepared for every single day.

[Felya]

I don't think he is smart enough to know it would happen. He looked woefully unprepared for it.

How is that a trap? The same thing happened during the Hannity interview a few weeks back, where he couldn’t say why he is running for office. He couldn’t even answer, after Hannity asked once more, but leading Trump to the obvious answer. Trump still couldn’t do it...

Trump is a moron... him talking in public is a trap.

[Ghostpanther]

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The very fact that a general... ANY general... would speak out against the president of the United States in such a direct and lambasting way should speak volumes.

Yeah all of those "radical leftists" shadow government boogeymen you're implying run some secret kabal really don't like Biden or Harris.

I suppose it's good that Biden became the democratic nominee, then, because it's much more difficult for them to paint him as some "radical leftist boogeyman." Even you have to refer to the invented notion of some sort of "insidious puppet master" controlling him, because you can't actually attack his policies on their own merit.

This isn't a James Bond movie. There are no secret elders of zion pulling the strings out to get you.

If Biden loses it isn't going to be because he picked Kamela Harris.

I'm predicting that a Biden loss will come almost solely from Trump's routine and systematic destruction of the USPS, including but not limited to refusing to fill positions within the USPS because he'd be forced to make its leadership bipartisan, instructing them to fill the USPS postmaster general position with someone with absolutely zero postal experience who owns tens of thousands of dollars worth of stock in amazon and who upon his appointment began to slash the USPS budget, the removal of drop off mail boxes, and the destruction of mail sorting machines. Basically, the complete and total degradation of the ability for the absolutely 100% legal and valid mail-in ballots to be tallied in time or accuracy before the election, the error in counting which could very well swing the margin of the vote in Trump's favor.

You're totally fine with the president doing that too, right? Or is that just another thing you "don't agree with, but the dissolution of democracy is fine because he lowered your taxes or whatever?"

You should look up history of Presidents being criticized by Generals. Why do you think Gen. MacArthur was removed from his command of the US forces in Korea? And a commander in Afghanistan I think ( may have been in Iraq ) was relieved of his command for speaking out against Obama's policies for over there.

You are missing another very important part of why I could never vote for any candidate now who supports abortion on demand. While I understand it is a Constitutional right as per the Supreme Court, I do not support it in the way it is done for any reason at all. I support getting that ruling changed. Just like many support a repeal or amendment of the Second Amendment.

So you see, from my perspective ( and avoiding getting into a forbidden topic on here ) I think the Democrats are partly responsible for millions of unborn childern being killed. Since I believe our life starts at conception. A huge larger number have been killed by their support of such than the pandemic has killed. And I have not been this strong of a pro life until about 10 years ago.

I have no issues at all with Absentee voting by mail, which uses a system to verify the voter is legit. Nor does Trump. In fact, that is how I am going to vote this time.

There will be several reasons Biden will lose besides picking a terrible running mate ( once again, not saying he will lose ). He has made plenty of "deplorable" comments.

[Felya]

The fact it's a delay means it isn't a cut.

Yeah, and it won’t be a cut when it’s extended indefinitely... as Trump promised. Like I asked... do you think Trump is saying he is defunding medicare or social security, or call it a tax cut for workers? You don’t have to guess... because he is actively doing it and claiming people pointing it out, far leftist trying to destroy western culture. Both GOP and Trump, figures out how to get support for defunding Social Security and Medicare, by calling them tax cut to help workers. Do you think far leftist will side with workers on the tax cut or the scary far leftists just fear mongering... you did say I’m trying to scare you... about it cutting social security?

While you think GOP, after the convention just a couple of weeks ago, will stop him? WTF?

That's how that works. Trump cannot extend it. You know Congress determines tax policy right? All Trump can do is sign or veto, and his veto can be overridden. Granted I'm sure Biden will probably approve of forgiveness for corporations as fast as Trump.

Great argument from 2016... the tax cut is in effect and he can extend it, just like he enacted it. I’m sorry, that Orwell quote in my signature, is there for a reason. You can keep telling me to ignore everything I see Trump wasn’t supposed to do because GOP Congress will stop him, being actually done.

You can try to convince me to ignore the evidence of my eyes and ears, that can see Trump was able to pass the tax cut. You can keep that final command to your self...

Trump was only able to kick people off their healthcare, because the ACA was shit and not a universal program. The only way to ensure programs are robust is to ensure everyone is covered. That's why so much money is spent trying to kill any idea of M4A, and even Main Stream "liberal" network frame it from a conservative angle.

His tax cut is actively defunding medicare. You are bitching about main stream media and M4A, while telling me to ignore Trump defunding the medicare we have. How does that make sense to you? This has nothing to do with how weak ACA was, but the intent of the current administration. Was the pandemic response team not strong enough, when Trump defunded it? You act like ACA is the only way Trump has attacked healthcare. He defunded CDC by 19%, he defunded pandemic response team completely and is now defunding medicare and social security, as you tell me to ignore reality, because GOP will stop him? Fuck that...

The GOP and Democrats have tried to eliminate social security for 40 years, and it's still here because its one the most popular programs in America. Congress will not eliminate payroll taxes, because every state relies on payroll taxes. It's pretty damn simple.

It’s because you are full of shit. GOP never wanted social security in the first place and democrats are the only reason it’s still there. There are speeches from Biden in the 80s, 40 years ago, pointing out how GOP went from opposing social security, to trying to defund it, while blaming democrats. If we follow your advice of ignoring Trump, it will be gone by 2023, as you bitch that Biden wasn’t electable.

Keep government out of my Medicare, ring a bell?

Above quote from your article. Remind me again does the GOP control all of Congress?

Remind me again, did you claim GOP will stop him? Did you change your mind? Did you forget that my point was to contradict your assertion that GOP will stop him? Thanks for proving they won’t? WTF?

I never argued Biden is worse, I've actually said the exact opposite.

I judge people by their actions, not their self proclaimed titles or declarations. I think you said similar...

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I have no issues at all with Absentee voting by mail, which uses a system to verify the voter is legit. Nor does Trump. In fact, that is how I am going to vote this time.

How about by mail voting? Why is Trump trying yo draw a distinction between the two?

There will be several reasons Biden will lose besides picking a terrible running mate ( once again, not saying he will lose ). He has made plenty of "deplorable" comments.

You never say why Harris is terrible... that’s telling... oh and screaming “White power” is deplorable.

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@Jettisawn is it fair to say you are defending Trump, when you start your argument that GOP Congress will stop his extension, but finish the argument by implying even democrats won’t be able to stop Trump? If democrats can’t stop Trump... if GOP can’t stop Trump... How is me saying he is defunding social security and Medicare, fear mongering? Seriously... this doesn’t make any sense.

Oh and another instance of Harris being terrible, without explaining why. I know why she is terrible from the left, but why is there no explanation from the right? Did Trump not donate enough? Was she too weak as a DA? What is it, in her career in Law and Order, that make her terrible for conservatives?

[Ghostpanther]

Joe Biden has come under fire for plagiarism. This is not the first time he has....

[Felya]

Joe Biden has come under fire for plagiarism. This is not the first time he has....

Shit... can you imagine there being another person that is so stupid, where we find out that Trump plagiarized one of their speeches?

[jonnysensible]

Joe Biden has come under fire for plagiarism. This is not the first time he has....

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[Belize]

Joe Biden has come under fire for plagiarism. This is not the first time he has....

[video=youtube;yj2ph2LM4N8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj2ph2LM4N8[/veo]

Do you have something that isn't 33 years old to dig up?

Maybe some recent history, perhaps? This isn't the 80s anymore, regardless of how unwilling you are to move on.

[Ghostpanther]

how do you find this fifty subscriber youtubes show us your work

Here is another one for you.



Biden has not changed.

[ati87]

Joe Biden has come under fire for plagiarism. This is not the first time he has....

This is pretty sad distraction....maybe next time you can find a clip that's actually in black and white.