1. #13121
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...arroll-lawsuit

    Why is the DoJ joining Trump's defense for a 2 decade old rape allegation, currently in court for defamation against the alleged victim?



    How is it part of his job to lie about decades-old rape allegations?
    Because the DoJ isn't independent like they are supposed to be and now the AG is Trump's personal lawyer, instead of America's lawyer? I hope Barr goes to prison when Trump loses.

  2. #13122
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Because the DoJ isn't independent like they are supposed to be and now the AG is Trump's personal lawyer, instead of America's lawyer? I hope Barr goes to prison when Trump loses.
    Him and Trump should actually go before a firing squad for treason.
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  3. #13123
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Him and Trump should actually go before a firing squad for treason.
    The corrupt/greedy congressmen won’t let it come to that because that means it could easily be them.

  4. #13124
    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    The corrupt/greedy congressmen won’t let it come to that because that means it could easily be them.
    I cannot see how it doesn't;t apply to his actions with Russia.

    "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open Court."

    Maybe "adhering" has a different meaning in law, I dunno?
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  5. #13125
    "Joe Budden" was trending on Twitter and I mistakenly thought it was some new stupid right-wing meme.

    Do NOT go down that rabbit hole. Trust me. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with someone by that name doing something really, really awful.

    I sacrificed my eyes so you don't have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    "Joe Budden" was trending on Twitter and I mistakenly thought it was some new stupid right-wing meme.

    Do NOT go down that rabbit hole. Trust me. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with someone by that name doing something really, really awful.

    I sacrificed my eyes so you don't have to.
    I thought it was related to the Def Jam: Fight for New York sequel rumors
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

  7. #13127
    what the actual fuck is this man doing

    https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/stat...11601864704006
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    Q: Do you condemn Antifa?

    BIDEN: Yes, I do -- violence, no matter who it is.
    There are no anti-fascists on the ballot. There is no excuse or defense for this, the only way you can defend these comments as a liberal is by just pushing Trump's bullshit talking points about "ANTIFA".
    Last edited by Flower Milk; 2020-09-09 at 12:14 AM.

  8. #13128
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    what the actual fuck is this man doing

    https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/stat...11601864704006


    There are no anti-fascists on the ballot. There is no excuse or defense for this, the only way you can defend these comments as a liberal is by just pushing Trump's bullshit talking points about "ANTIFA".
    He instantly qualified it by saying he condemned the violence. Keep digging.

  9. #13129
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    what the actual fuck is this man doing

    https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/stat...11601864704006


    There are no anti-fascists on the ballot. There is no excuse or defense for this, the only way you can defend these comments as a liberal is by just pushing Trump's bullshit talking points about "ANTIFA".
    Or...because antifa aren't the bogeyman that conservatives wish they were, but are still largely a bunch of shits that spend more of their time engaging in petty vandalism and picking fights than doing anything productive.

    I'm...not seeing the problem? This is smart politics. For better or worse, there isn't much popular support for antifa anywhere and their escalating behavior (yes, they're very much a part of that as well) generally doesn't play well.

    Presidential politics is soundbites, not at-length nuance. He doesn't have time to go into a long and contextualized speech about the different types of violence and when it may be acceptable because no media will run that multi-minute clip. They'll find the sexiest 5-10 seconds and air that, whether it properly frames his response or not.

    They're not on the ballot, but neither are the Proud Boys. That doesn't mean that a candidate can't condemn either/both groups for being shit given that they're both popping up in current events.

  10. #13130
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    He instantly qualified it by saying he condemned the violence. Keep digging.
    Which is exactly the wrong thing to say. The right thing to say is "Antifa as an organization doesn't exist and everyone should be anti-fascist". Please stop defending Trump talking points about Antifa.

  11. #13131
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Which is exactly the wrong thing to say. The right thing to say is "Antifa as an organization doesn't exist and everyone should be anti-fascist". Please stop defending Trump talking points about Antifa.
    Ask yourself: Do you think that most Americans have this level of nuanced understanding of antifa? Do you think they'll instantly believe Biden if he says this? Do you think this wouldn't be weaponized against him in seconds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Which is exactly the wrong thing to say. The right thing to say is "Antifa as an organization doesn't exist and everyone should be anti-fascist". Please stop defending Trump talking points about Antifa.
    I still believe Trump that Biden is a far leftist puppet... he is saying this to hide his true nature.
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  13. #13133
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ask yourself: Do you think that most Americans have this level of nuanced understanding of antifa? Do you think they'll instantly believe Biden if he says this? Do you think this wouldn't be weaponized against him in seconds?
    If most Americans don't have this level of understanding and think anti-fascism is bad then we are absolutely fucked. Think about what you are saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    If most Americans don't have this level of understanding and think anti-fascism is bad then we are absolutely fucked. Think about what you are saying.
    Well, we have Trump who claims Biden is a hidden leftist, evil antifa... It might be because a lot of people are used to Trump. Look at us talking about Biden, when Trump is literally running on evil antifa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Well, we have Trump who claims Biden is a hidden leftist, evil antifa... It might be because a lot of people are used to Trump. Look at us talking about Biden, when Trump is literally running on evil antifa.
    Maybe it would be a good idea to not help Trump's narrative that anti-fascism is bad by "condemning antifa", just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    He instantly qualified it by saying he condemned the violence. Keep digging.
    I think it’s funny... Trump claims Biden is a hidden far leftist puppet and we have far leftist claiming he isn’t one.

    In the meantime, Trump’s DOJ just intervened in his rape trial...
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  17. #13137
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    but are still largely a bunch of shits that spend more of their time engaging in petty vandalism and picking fights than doing anything productive.
    who stood up to the nazis in charlottesville?
    who doxxes awd army members?
    who doxxes proud boy cops?
    who infiltrated and disrupted The Base?
    who fucked up cantwells life?
    who infiltrated and leaked iron marchs database?

    do fuck off

  18. #13138
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    If most Americans don't have this level of understanding and think anti-fascism is bad then we are absolutely fucked. Think about what you are saying.
    I have, and I still view most of them as latte-sipping 20somethings looking for an outlet from their largely boring upper middle class lives. I've had multiple encounters with antifa and antifa types during protests over the years, and those absolutely are a big part of my perception about those folk. Needless to say, they were generally not great, and did a lot to really make me lose any faith that most of the people dressing in black and claiming to be antifa don't have any historical understanding of the movement nor an appreciate for it in modern times.

    But a big part of that is also on antifa for being shit at getting their message out. They're absolutely at a disadvantage since they don't have the White House as a podium, but even before they became the boogeyman du jour for Republicans they weren't doing any better. I remember their pointless scuffle with Nazi's in Cali back in 2016 and largely thinking that the two groups deserved each other.

    And I'm like, a pretty lefty guy for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Maybe it would be a good idea to not help Trump's narrative that anti-fascism is bad by "condemning antifa", just saying.
    It’s a good thing you can’t quote Biden saying that. I don’t see how denying Trump’s rhetoric that he is an extremist leftist is a bad tact.
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  20. #13140
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    who stood up to the nazis in charlottesville?
    who doxxes awd army members?
    who doxxes proud boy cops?
    who infiltrated and disrupted The Base?
    who fucked up cantwells life?
    who infiltrated and leaked iron march?

    do fuck off
    Protesters, including antifa.
    I don't know what an awd army member is, so no idea.
    From what I've seen, it's not "just antfia" but a collection of online leftists.
    No clue what "The Base" is? Sounds familiar?
    Is Cantwell the crying Nazi? Didn't he like, do that all on his own?
    I don't know what the Iron March is.

    I mean, I'm a somewhat online guy that keeps up with the news pretty well, but I haven't heard of half this shit. How on earth are people who are even less online and pay even less attention to news know literally any of this?

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