Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

Honest question.

Has Biden been doing anything towards helping out with the ongoing crisis? And I don't mean simply campaigning on 'this is how I would do it when in office'.

I have seen many private citizens hold little events, fundraisers, drives, awareness campaigns, etc. Sanders is always doing something. I saw Biden do a 3 min call in once but not sure if he just exists outside of my bubble.

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The point is that a decent part of the party including leadership worked hard to pull Bloomberg in. It shows how low the party is willing to sink and how desperate it has become.

A woman who had the numbers and no money - Bye Felicia.

Man with money but should have been ideologically disqualified from the start - Sure, we will let you buy your way in

And this happened after the DNC already got slammed for focusing too much on money.

So, you are upset that they allowed more people in?

You complain that she was omitted, because she didn't have the money, then turn around and unilaterally deem he should not have been allowed, because of ideology.

Exactly which debate was that, where she was not allowed to be a part of it?

Do you see your issue?

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Yeah that is what he keeps saying even though he has stated he isn't voting for either, which is what everyone he is arguing with will likely do also.

No I have no idea what the crazed logic behind his position is either.

I'm still waiting on you to back up your claims (with evidence) that they are the same party.

[Felya]

Has Biden been doing anything towards helping out with the ongoing crisis? And I don't mean simply campaigning on 'this is how I would do it when in office'.

He talked to Trump and has given speeches from his “bunker”.

I have seen many private citizens hold little events, fundraisers, drives, awareness campaigns, etc. Sanders is always doing something. I saw Biden do a 3 min call in once but not sure if he just exists outside of my bubble.

Who is holding live events during a quarantine... are you sure you have seen it?

[Machismo]

Possibly,...but why not vote for someone you actually believe in rather than choosing the best sex criminal?

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That would have been the post where you linked to the manifestos, and I pointed out it was impossible to tell which was which with a clear illustration from a significant extract.

And you were wrong, and I caught you in a lie.

Where is your evidence to back up your claim.

Tick tock...

I look forward to your sources.

[Deadite]

Yes, because saying Biden is awful, next to a guy that just mused about injecting cleaning fluid and lights to cure corona... you are normalizing the idiot. If Biden is awful, you need to find a far more severe word for Trump...

Yeah i think i will just stick to disliking both of them. Trump being a fucking cunt and Biden merely being a cunt doesn't really matter in the long run. Looks like you are getting lumbered with one of the eejits anyways. Trump is obviously a worse human being than Biden by a country mile. That much is a given but since i don't have a dog in the fight i can't gloss over Biden being a piece of shit either. If people think that is some how shilling for Trump then i don't know what to say.

[Felya]

Possibly,...but why not vote for someone you actually believe in rather than choosing the best sex criminal?

Because you vote for those that will advance your policy choice the farthest. Not voting or voting third party, is the lowest chance for your preferred policy to advance. What becomes more important, what you believe in or virtue signaling?

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Yeah i think i will just stick to disliking both of them. Trump being a fucking cunt and Biden merely being a cunt doesn't really matter in the long run. Looks like you are getting lumbered with one of the eejits anyways. Trump is obviously a worse human being than Biden by a country mile. That much is a given but since i don't have a dog in the fight i can't gloss over Biden being a piece of shit either. If people think that is some how shilling for Trump then i don't know what to say.

Sorry, I care about my country... see... I can virtue signal too...

[Deadite]

Sorry, I care about my country... see... I can virtue signal too...

Good for you i guess? Not sure how me not liking Biden would interfere with that....

[PACOX]

Trump was calling out Biden, claiming he was easy to beat. While running a deep state scheme to extort a foreign nation, to investigate Biden. At the same time, Trump was saying Bernie would be his top choice for a competitor and that he wasn’t treated fair by DNC. As soon as Bernie lost, Trump started saying Biden would push the same crazy ideas as Bernie on Fox, while trolling Bernie supporters to protest DNC mistreating him on Twitter.

Trump knew that his base and even moderate conservatives would rally behind stoping a socialist. Now, while some people seem to be pushing a protest vote against Biden on social media, Trump and Fox News are doing the complete opposite, by trying to move their socialist formula from Bernie to Biden.

So... here we are... one bubble is pushing Biden as not liberal enough, while the other is pushing him as a liberal extreme. With the end goal being clear... and the white man dances...

The very slim overlap between Trump and Sanders has nothing to do with policy. That needs to be said.

Its not a conservative vs liberal thing. People keep trying to make and ideological comparisons between Trump and Sanders where there isn't. The very few people, very few, who you could call Trump-Sanders supporters are anti-establishment before all things They rather have Trump fuck up the government or Sanders change the government before they vote for an actual RNC or DNC candidate. It's also a known RNC to feign sympathy for whoever is the most left of the DNC.

Otherwise someone should have told the DNC they picked the wrong guy, moderate conservatives would have totally supported Sanders...

You can say Trump dug up dirt on Biden because he was afraid of Biden or you could say he was doing the slimy stuff that Trump always does. The latter makes a lot more sense that because even if Trump was trying to pull some reverse psychology on Biden, he was still leading Biden into a trap.

Biden was the best opposition Trump could hope for.

Warren and Sanders would have ran a over Trump. Biden looks as nasty as Trump with the right amount of spin.

[Felya]

Good for you i guess? Not sure how me not liking Biden would interfere with that....

It’s in reference to not having a dog in the fight. I assumed you were not American, since the fight is a presidential election. Since, you have more in that fight than just a dog, if you are American. For example... if I get laid off, will there be something like ACA to cover my healthcare or without employment, I’m just fucked? We may argue on the extent, but we know the direction healthcare will go, if one or the other is chosen... and it’s not the same direction... if you are American, than I suggest using flippant, instead of ‘dog in the fight’.

[PACOX]

Who is holding live events during a quarantine... are you sure you have seen it?

There's been numerous charity and outreach events. Where have you been? Hell some celebrities stream every day to help keep people sane while being stuck inside. I watch Questlove play 3+ hour sets multiple times a week.

Sanders holds some sort of drive/town hall, once or twice a week.

[Gestopft]

Possibly,...but why not vote for someone you actually believe in rather than choosing the best sex criminal?

Because a presidential term is only four years and SCOTUS appointments are for life.

[PACOX]

It’s in reference to not having a dog in the fight. I assumed you were not American, since the fight is a presidential election. Since, you have more in that fight than just a dog, if you are American. For example... if I get laid off, will there be something like ACA to cover my healthcare or without employment, I’m just fucked? We may argue on the extent, but we know the direction healthcare will go, if one or the other is chosen... and it’s not the same direction... if you are American, than I suggest using flippant, instead of ‘dog in the fight’.

The US is the most powerful country on Earth. What we do certainly has impact on the world, certainly our European allies. Both from a security and economic standpoint. They do not have a vote in the matter but they should definitely be paying attention.

[Orange Joe]

Which only indicates something did happen. But her story, does not have any clear proof it did happen as she said it did. Of course the Democrats wanted to take it for granted, the allegations against Kavanaugh where true. Believe all women, only applies to some cases for them.

It's also pretty funny how quick you are to want to believe this case and not kavanaugh.

If you are going to try and point out hypocrisy, try not to point to something you are also being a hypocrite about.

[Felya]

The very slim overlap between Trump and Sanders has nothing to do with policy. That needs to be said.

Trump’s victory in a few states were slim as well...

Its not a conservative vs liberal thing. People keep trying to make and ideological comparisons between Trump and Sanders where there isn't. The very few people, very few, who you could call Trump-Sanders supporters are anti-establishment before all things They rather have Trump fuck up the government or Sanders change the government before they vote for an actual RNC or DNC candidate. It's also a known RNC to feign sympathy for whoever is the most left of the DNC.

All of the things you just said are facade. Alt right wants Trump, because he is the only one to do their bidding. Oligarchs are only anti establishment, if they are white and afraid immigrants are taking over. There is no other argument, where an oligarch is antiestablishment. I’ve also never heard RNC sympathy for more left of the DNC... can you name one? Gore was a fear mongering idiot, Howard Dean was laughed out and Obama won... who was more liberal sympathetic character for Bill?

Otherwise someone should have told the DNC they picked the wrong guy, moderate conservatives would have totally supported Sanders...

It’s absurd... it doesn’t make any sense... crossing sides going to the opposite extreme, makes 0 sense. It’s like if you are comfortable, but when the temperature decreases by a couple of degrees... you self immolate.

You can say Trump dug up dirt on Biden because he was afraid of Biden or you could say he was doing the slimy stuff that Trump always does. The latter makes a lot more sense that because even if Trump was trying to pull some reverse psychology on Biden, he was still leading Biden into a trap.

If it’s the same as what Trump does, why didn’t he do the same to Bernie? Why was Bernie simply exemplified as a socialist, instead of needing dirt? Trump didn’t need dirt on Bernie... Bernie’s policy proposals were overwhelmingly supported, but with one caveat... no government. They want medicare for all, but they don’t want government control. You know who will parrot Bernie, but without the socialist government control of production? Biden...

Biden was the best opposition Trump could hope for.

Than why did he push for Bernie?

Warren and Sanders would have ran a over Trump. Biden looks as nasty as Trump with the right amount of spin.

I need you to show me, how a socialist, would pull a single vote from Trump. I need you to explain how GOP wouldn’t be able to use their socialism fearmongering of the last decade, to go after Bernie. You need to show me, how government extension’s unpopularity, would be overcome with medicare for all. Again, Bernie couldn’t even win DNC primaries... twice... what you suggest is illogical. It’s doing something a third time and expecting a different result...

[Felya]

There's been numerous charity and outreach events. Where have you been? Hell some celebrities stream every day to help keep people sane while being stuck inside. I watch Questlove play 3+ hour sets multiple times a week.

Sanders holds some sort of drive/town hall, once or twice a week.

Give me links to these people doing live events. Not live streams, which Biden has been doing from his “bunker”, but live events. I want to see corona charity, violate quarantine...

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The US is the most powerful country on Earth. What we do certainly has impact on the world, certainly our European allies. Both from a security and economic standpoint. They do not have a vote in the matter but they should definitely be paying attention.

Than why wasn’t Trump invited to the corona meeting between world leaders? The impact we are having, is of a red headed step child. Our president just told the world that injecting cleaner, might be a good idea. The impact is pointing and laughing...

[PACOX]

So, you are upset that they allowed more people in?

You complain that she was omitted, because she didn't have the money, then turn around and unilaterally deem he should not have been allowed, because of ideology.

Exactly which debate was that, where she was not allowed to be a part of it?

Do you see your issue?

Your purposefully propping up strawmen, the reason why I chimed in on the issue in the first place.

The entire point that was being made was how the DNC tried to shoehorn Bloomberg in against their own proclaimed rules and values - a bad pattern of behavior. That's it, plain and simple.

The DNC often sells it soul then wonders why elections do not go its way. 2016, 2014, 2010, and 2004.

[Felya]

They literally changed the rules to allow someone without any grassroots support on debate stage. How that is seen as anything but unacceptable is beyond me.

He got the necessary votes... then got booted right off the stage. For fuck’s sake, the guy was only a Democrat, after 2008 made being a republican nearly impossible.

[PACOX]

Give me links to these people doing live events. Not live streams, which Biden has been doing from his “bunker”, but live events. I want to see corona charity, violate quarantine...

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Than why wasn’t Trump invited to the corona meeting between world leaders? The impact we are having, is of a red headed step child. Our president just told the world that injecting cleaner, might be a good idea. The impact is pointing and laughing...

Youre not old. What's the difference between a live event that's streamed over the internet and a live stream...

Im guessing Biden doesn't hold any events.

[Gestopft]

They literally changed the rules to allow someone without any grassroots support on debate stage. How that is seen as anything but unacceptable is beyond me.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but imagine if he had gotten a bunch of delegates, or even won the nomination without ever having to actually...debate people and be accountable to questioning, etc. The issue for the DNC was that he was using his practically unlimited funding to control his own narrative without subjecting himself to the rigors and pressures that other candidates were going through. What else were they supposed to do?

[Machismo]

Yeah i think i will just stick to disliking both of them. Trump being a fucking cunt and Biden merely being a cunt doesn't really matter in the long run. Looks like you are getting lumbered with one of the eejits anyways. Trump is obviously a worse human being than Biden by a country mile. That much is a given but since i don't have a dog in the fight i can't gloss over Biden being a piece of shit either. If people think that is some how shilling for Trump then i don't know what to say.

And yet:

Do you Americans really hate Trump that much? You sound like you hope he doesn't create a million jobs just so you can garner some imaginary internet points at his expense.

Yeah but if the opposite is proven then people won't believe either. People seem to think every stupid Trump story from an 'anonymous source' is gospel. So when he does do stupid shit people tend to just ignore it and assume it is another liberal media attack.

Even if they find nothing you and half the people on this forum will never believe it anyways.

Trump may be an utter wanker but the press has been going after him for everything real or imagined since he first ran. I find the whole thing pretty hilarious. Both sides seem fucking crazy in the US these days. Now he has adopted the "Talk shit get Hit!" philosophy of the left. It is The Greatest Show on Earth.

I love in the same thread that you get so offended that people are calling some guy a terrorist you call Trump and anyone who voted for him a Nazi.

It was a cynical political move almost certainly but that is just politics. How much have they spent on the Mueller investigation? US politics is a shit show. The tax payer foots the bill. That is your reality.

People take the piss about Trump every day so i don't really begrudge him getting his fishing rod out every now and again.

He is not playing 4D chess but he is playing the media and the American left. He is playing you like a fiddle. He knows who will take offense at this and he doesn't care about those people as they take offense at everything he does. Did no one recall the WWE gif already? All that did was get CNN a shit storm while Trump just sat back and laughed. Well he just got you all again.

Coward? More like smart move.

The OP blatantly lied in his title and the whole article seems to be about another blatant lie by NBC. So they done a story about something Trump didn't say? Isn't that the definition of fake news? Now we have 10 pages about what an idiot Trump is. While that may be true you people seem to be outraged over everything Trump says or does even if he didn't say or do it. I know you think Trumpkins or what ever you call them are all idiots any ways but have you considered that when you claim every single thing Trump does is just outrageous then that is the new norm and nothing is outrageous?

There is a reason that trust in the US media is at an all time low. If they stuck to attacking Trump over actual things you may have goten some traction with the public. I would wager that 9 times out of 10 people will just look at some stupid shit Trump has done and just tune it out as more manufactured outrage.

Umm the article is based on tweets that Trump posted. No where do they say what the title of said article suggests. I don't give a shit about Trump as i ain't American. I just find how disingenuous people are on this forum to be fascinating. Fox does a Trump story and it will be instantly dismissed as biased but any negative story from some unverified source posted by CNN/NBC you take as gospel. You don't hold both side of the press to the same standard and that makes you pretty hypocritical.

The most troubling thing is that nothing seems to be changing. Quite a few people on these forums think all Trump voters are illiterate hillbilly nazis. So anything they have to say is simply ignored and there will never be any common ground. They think the other side is hippy America hating SJW assholes. The shit show is on both sides but each side thinks they are 100% right. Y'all are fucked.

The article is pretty much 'My mate John heard Trump say this' they then seem to have inferred that Trump wants to shut them down from what he tweeted. It makes no sense to me. I don't come to this forum often but i know you come from the 'Trump Bad!' side of things and i kinda agree with you on that but you are one of several posters that are fanatical in your hatred for Trump.

Yeah then they frame that story in-between two ridonculous stories that only this forum and CNN would believe. Like you say he does penty of shit and if they concentrated on actually malfeasance more people may care.

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How long did the WWE gif run for again?

The media have slit their own throats with Trump. They go after him too hard. When everything Trump says or does makes him literally Hitler and they make a big song and dance about it then no one pays attention. When we get another outlandish story from 'some one close to Trump' or 'a high ranking republican' or 'someone from the White House' people just roll their eyes at this point. I think the only thing that has a lower approval rating than Trump is the media.

I have noriced that the most innocuous post makes you a Nazi on these forums.

Going by this sub forum literally everything. Some folk here have probably spent hundreds of hours explaining in painstaking detail how he is literally Hitler.

How odd. I think only a fucking moron as you say would think the Ok sign is a symbol of white power. Lean on your hand and scratch your ear. OMG YOUR A NAZI!!




When you think people who make innocuous hand gestures, have a certain haircut , voted for Trump ect ect ect are nazis i am sure you seen them around every corner lol. Sure they are out there but not in numbers you paranoid lunatics think.

Well we seem to be at an impasse. I will never in a million years think that the Ok sign means what you think it means. Happily most people will agree with me i think or hope. We live in crazy times.

Are you ripping the piss? Now the only thing i know about the Proud Boys is that they show up on occasion and kick the shit out of Antifa but if that is them how the hell can you call the white supremacists? I see quite a few ethnicities there. Your assertion is that they are all just too stupid to know they joined a group that hates them? The only thing more amusing than your conclusion is that the OK sign is a white power salute lol.

When you have crazy people saying drinking milk, the Ok sign, certain haircuts ect ect equates to being a nazi of course they think racism is on the rise. They probably think they have been racially attacked when they seen some one wearing a MAGA hat.

If this thread is accurate he was insulting the Alt-Right who were trolling him. So you clutching your pearls so hard means your Pro Alt-Right doesn't it? Sargon is a white guy ain't he? Is it racist for a white guy to call a bunch of Alt-Right white guys Niggers? Just the use of the word in any context makes you a racist? Shit just used it!!

I love the evolution of this thread. A cop did something. In a few posts they went from a cop did this to all cops are nazis.

Well i do think that. I guess since i ain't an American i don't know what the normal joe on the street feels but on these forums with the zealots on both sides they seem to see the other side as an enemy to be destroyed.




Nah. That reply is plenty. Trump is the devil and anyone who wears his merch is a nazi seems to your stance. I find that baffling but fill your boots.

lol. Everyone in the thread already gets that you halfwit. You just can't grasp that they have every right to sue them for it. Have you heard of the law? What is it the left leaning folks say on these matter on free speech? You can say what ever you want but you have to deal with the consequences? Seems fair to me. You right to free speech ends where the law starts.

Hmm you were an expert a couple of posts ago now a simple link with pertinent information is out of the question? You just said you would explain the basics to me. Make up your mind. Happy to admit my ignorance on how a special counsel is allowed to deal with someone who is misrepresenting his report and covering up crimes. Shut your fucking hole! seems to be an odd stance to have on it.

Yeah, it's a good thing post histories exist.

[Felya]

The DNC often sells it soul then wonders why elections do not go its way. 2016, 2014, 2010, and 2004.

Dude... John Kerry was admonished for his Vietnam was protests. The guys had swiftboat lie about him and get away with it. Bush won, because John Kerry was too much against the wars. The guy tossed his Purple Heart in the Washington monument fountain...