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Trump voters already believe Biden will bring M4A... probably the independent Trump voters included. It’s Trump’s actual campaign...Originally Posted by Milchshake
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2020-09-22, 08:34 PM #14481Void Lord
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As above, so below.
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
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2020-09-22, 08:35 PM #14482Epic!
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That study is about the midterms, which is a completely different kind of election than the general election for the president. Originally Posted by Edge-
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2020-09-22, 08:35 PM #14483Scarab Lord
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Says whom? Originally Posted by Flower Milk
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2020-09-22, 08:36 PM #14484Over 9000!
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Too busy protesting to educate themselves on what they are protesting I guess. Originally Posted by Felya
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2020-09-22, 08:36 PM #14485Void Lord
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That’s great, Biden didn’t: Originally Posted by Flower Milk
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/#
Is it still on Biden’s site? Thought so... but, yeah... keep attacking Biden for doing the things you ask... very on brand.As President, Biden will roll back the Trump rate cut for the very wealthy and restore the 39.6% top rate he helped restore when he negotiated an end to the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in 2012.As above, so below.
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
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2020-09-22, 08:37 PM #14486Legendary!
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Lots of people. Everyone is saying that. The other day this big guy came up to me, very tough guy, and he was crying, and he said "Trump is leading with Independents by 10 points" Originally Posted by PhaelixWW
/s"We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
“It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020
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2020-09-22, 08:37 PM #14487Merely a Setback
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Okay, so they can vote for Biden under whom things at minimum won't get worse (and really, will get better) or they can vote for Trump (or not vote, same difference) and let things get even worse. Originally Posted by Flower Milk
You won't get M4A or GND by sitting out or voting for Trump. Under Biden, at least we'll take some steps in that direction.
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2020-09-22, 08:38 PM #14488Void Lord
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Do you believe that Trump supporters, including the independent ones, believe that Trump is lying, when he claims Biden will bring the socialist take over that is M4A? You think it’s a better tact to attack Trump and his supporters who claim it’s a communist take over, instead of people who don’t think it can pass GOP Congress? Originally Posted by Flower Milk
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2020-09-22, 08:38 PM #14489Moderator
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https://www.townofpeterborough.com/v...d-dcc2ef606fe4 Originally Posted by Flower Milk
First link in the article, look at the wording on the resolution.
WOW, EVERYONE WILL GET EVERYTHING COVERED AND IT WON'T COST US MORE AT THE DOCTOR, GREAT!
WOW, WE'LL GET ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE EVERYWHERE, GREAT!
WOW, WE'LL SAVE NEARLY $1M LOCALLY SINCE THE FEDS ARE PAYING FOR CITY HEALTH INSURANCE NOW, GREAT!
WOW, IT HAS PUBLIC SUPPORT!
WOW, THIS RESOLUTION DOESN'T MATTER!
Again, this is what I'm talking about: There's broad support for the idea. But start throwing price tags on there, start reminding people that they'll lose their current plans, and get into details and people start getting cold feet.
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2020-09-22, 08:43 PM #14490Warchief
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You forgot the ‘sir’. Originally Posted by Thekri
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2020-09-22, 08:43 PM #14491Epic!
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Is this Biden's strategy to win those people over though? Just saying stuff like this doesn't get people to vote for Biden, especially Independents. You need to give them something to vote for besides "things will get worse if you don't". Originally Posted by Adam Jensen
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2020-09-22, 08:46 PM #14492Void Lord
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Something interesting... according to gallop, 40% are independent... 10% lead amongst them for Trump according to flower... that means the split is, 22-18%... 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican. Making this Biden 49% to Trump 47%... so... the risk does not seem worth the reword. No placating Trump supporters!!! Originally Posted by PhaelixWW
Last edited by Felya; 2020-09-22 at 08:55 PM.
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That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracle of the One Thing.
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2020-09-22, 08:48 PM #14493Moderator
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This is literally the Trump platform, and has been a big part of the Republican platform for decades...are you arguing that fear doesn't work as a motivating factor? Originally Posted by Flower Milk
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2020-09-22, 08:51 PM #14494Over 9000!
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Nah Biden shouldn't appeal to anyone who's too ignorant that they willingly chooses not to vote. If that costs him, he wasn't gonna win anyways. Originally Posted by Flower Milk
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2020-09-22, 08:55 PM #14495Epic!
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It actually isn't. The things he gave people to vote for were awful, stupid, and racist as fuck, but "building the wall" is a tangible goal to vote for. "I'm not that other guy" or "things will get worse" isn't. Also if you remember, Trump also ran on repealing NAFTA, even though he replaced it with the exact same thing again lol, but he ran on doing that. If you've been paying attention to his rallies lately, he is doing the same thing again. Originally Posted by Edge-
I'm sorry but I when watch Joe Biden the majority of what I get from what he says is "my son died" and "we're gonna restore the soul of America". He repeats those 2 things a lot and those are what I remember from his speeches the most because of it, even though I know what his actual policies are and have known since the primaries. He needs to be hammering home his policies over and over again or people won't have any idea what they're voting *for* when they're choosing whether to vote for Biden, most people don't pay as much as attention to politics as you or I do.
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I think you forgot about the electoral college my dude. He needs to be leading by way more than 2 percentage points. Originally Posted by Felya
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2020-09-22, 08:56 PM #14496Immortal
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Originally Posted by Felya
Didnt you get the memo? Street fightin' Antifa is 10% of the independent vote! Why wont Dems appeal to themmmmm. Originally Posted by beanman12345
/sWelcome to GEN-OT, have a seat, we'll introduce you to the 23-year-old who will lecture you about how Democrats didn't try hard enough to improve the ACA, and once that's all set up you'll be assigned a socialist who supported Ron Paul up to 2015 to harass you forever.
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2020-09-22, 08:58 PM #14497Void Lord
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Did you forget them when saying 10% of independents will vote Trump? Oops? Originally Posted by Flower Milk
Edit: oh and the amount he needs to lead in popular to win the electoral, cannot be defined...As above, so below.
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
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2020-09-22, 09:01 PM #14498Moderator
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You must not see much then. I mean, I don't watch that many of his events but I did catch part of his drive-in town hall and he sure talked about a whole lot that wasn't his son, and while the "restore the soul of America" is a part of it, that's a part of his core campaign messaging. It's about as meaningful as "BUILD THE WALL" is as a slogan. Originally Posted by Flower Milk
And I mean...what do you think "THE WALL" was for? To celebrate Trump? No, it was another fear tactic because those Mexicans with thighs the size of cantaloupes are lugging 50 pounds of weed on their back across the border! The rapists and murderers are coming across the border and you need to be terrified! Only I can save you from this horrific terror that shall lurk on your doorsteps in rural Montana and South Dakota!
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2020-09-22, 09:04 PM #14499Epic!
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I said Trump is leading Independents by 10 points compared to Biden, not that 10% of Independents will vote for Trump. Originally Posted by Felya
Biden needs to be polling over at least 5 percentage points over Trump to win the electoral college, and even that is pretty dicey. 10+ percentage points is probably more of a safe area if I had to guess.
Also I honestly have no idea why Democrats don't run on getting rid of the electoral college, either.
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2020-09-22, 09:06 PM #14500Scarab Lord
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Results for Independent voters in recent polls:
- Dornsife (9/8-21): Biden +3
- Morning Consult (9/18-20): Biden +7
- HarrisX (9/10-14): Biden +6
- RMG Research (9/17-19): Biden +14
- IBD/TIPP (9/16-19): Biden +7
- Hart Research Associates (9/3-7): Biden +10
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