1. #14861
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Trump hasn't stated a single lie on the debate neither has Biden. A mistake perhaps but neither have lied. I am looking at several livestreams [ABC, CNN, CBS, CSPAN, etc] and all have comments majoriting Trump over Biden being the debate winner/dominant.
    LOL, the fact that you think Trump hasn't lied in this debate, means you aren't watching the fucking debate.

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    I'm gonna call it now, Chris Wallace is gonna be off Fox pretty soon.
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    My take:

    If the idea was to trip up Biden - mission accomplished.
    If the idea was the show Trump as the exact same bully with no substance like always? - mission accomplished.

    Person who needed to gain voters based on performance: Trump.
    Person who likely gained voters for tonight's performance: Probably no one.

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    I really hope further debates include an off button for mics and far stronger moderation. I could only watch this in burst, it was just a total shitshow and while Biden appeared soft in places, Trump sounded like Alex Jones for half his speaking time and spent the other half constantly interrupting so his base would cheer on his ass. The experience was about as miserable as American politics are at the federal level, all things considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    Biden needs to drop the politcal correctness. He did it while campaigning. And during 2016. We need someone to fight Trump back. Joe isn't strong as Kamala when it comes to debating.
    I’m sorry, no reasonable person can claim anyone calling white supremisist, when asked to condemn them, to arms and encourages election watchers, can possibly be the debate winner. Not possible...
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  6. #14866
    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    Ah, The Asian woman who became black overnight, Trump won this debate easy, Flawless victory!. MAGA 2020 then 2024 - 2028 with Trump JR. Thank God.



    Biden had his share of interrupting, Just like there always is. Everything trump said had been back up, Most of Bidens was opinions
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  7. #14867
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    I don't think Biden killed it. He sorta trailed off on a few answers. At least he called Trump out on his bullshit. Of course Trump is a shitshow.
    yeah idk if biden won, cause this was not a debate, it was a circus, he didnt do bad, didn't do great, but trump... oy vey.

  8. #14868
    Expectations for Biden were low imho, but he was above that. Which is a minor win in my books. Trump just seemed deranged, always talking over. Which might seem like a win for his supporters, but it's not great for people he wants to win over.

  9. #14869
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    LOL, the fact that you think Trump hasn't lied in this debate, means you aren't watching the fucking debate.
    You're not naming anything he lied about. Both made mistakes, neither lied. I haven't seen one fact check on any candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radux View Post
    Watched it on ABC. Very end the commentator said: "I've been reporting presidential debates, moderating debates, and preparing presidents for these debates for 40 years. And this was the worst debate I've ever seen."

    Accurate.

    What a shit show. Further debates need a fucking off button on the mics because the not talking thing that's taught in Kindergarten is too hard for old dudes.
    I couldn't agree more. The commentators are all saying the same thing.

    I thought Wallace did the best he could, short of saying, "Mr President, could you shut the fuck up?"

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    So, how accurate was I?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Meh, I think it'll turn out exactly as I said before: Trump will just toss out insults, lie and generally not answer questions. Biden will talk about policy and for the most part have a strong performance, but he'll stutter once or misstate one thing (think "millions" instead of "thousands") and THAT will be what every Trump supporter (and "concerned independents") will be talking about in here for a week afterwards.

    All in all I find the debates this year more pointless than they've ever been. There aren't any undecided voters at this stage in this particular election.
    I gather I missed some eye-rolling nonsense but judging from the quick skim I've done of this thread I think I came close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    You're not naming anything he lied about. Both made mistakes, neither lied. I haven't seen one fact check on any candidate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Obviously, the most die-hard fans of each candidate will claim their guy won. But even Wallace called out Trump, personally, for breaking the rules, multiple times.

    As to the veracity of their statements, well...that's also one-sided.

    TRUMP

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    False

    I strongly expect there to be more later. Incidentally, I thought I heard Trump say something ridiculous about 30% voter fraud, but it was kind of hard to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Seeing as how Trump was attacking Bernie for a large portion of the debate and kept threatening radical leftists would leave Biden........
    And? What does that have to do what I've been saying tonight?

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    Joe Biden's biggest fault tonight was not looking directly at Trump. It displays nervousness and perhaps even fear. His second was not dropping the political correctness. He gave two things for the Republican party to ride upon day and night until the 13th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    You're not naming anything he lied about. Both made mistakes, neither lied. I haven't seen one fact check on any candidate.
    When did Biden call black people super predators? Mistake or lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I haven't seen one fact check on any candidate.
    Only because you haven't looked. Fact checks are on most major sites.

    But just to drive the point home:

    TRUMP

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    False

  17. #14877
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    You're welcome. Sit down.
    There are no sources in these tweets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    Joe Biden's biggest fault tonight was not looking directly at Trump. It displays nervousness and perhaps even fear. His second was not dropping the political correctness. He gave two things for the Republican party to ride upon day and night until the 13th.
    His biggest victory is that he spoke to a American people... that’s who this is about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    There are no sources in these tweets.
    Thank you for admitting you did not watch the debate and have made no attempt to research it.
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  20. #14880
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    When did Biden call black people super predators? Mistake or lie?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDHSt-CKtc
    Here you are.
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