Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Breccia]

It wasn't on the scale of your usual offerings

Gillty as charged, but it wasn't my porpoise to OH SHIT MAMMAL

[Felya]

Ah ok.

I've known a few of those. One of my coworkers at my last job (thanks COVID!) was an organizer for the local Green Party, about as progressive as you can go, and was determined not to support Biden even if he won the nomination due to his support for the Iraq War.

Of course we live in Connecticut, so sending our 7 EVs to Biden is all but guaranteed regardless.

Just to be clear... I am now adding “self proclaimed” to progressives... One, because I don’t want to get into quagmires of them being progressive or not... Two, I don’t really want to talk shit about progressives as a whole... I share a few policy ideas with them... at least...

[Adam Jensen]

I mean, it woulda been nice to hear Biden say "I support BLM" or "I support the Green New Deal"....but I understand why he couldn't, and didn't. I don't like it, but it had to be done. He did at least say he supports defunding the police. Kinda danced around it afterward, but ya know, he said it. So, something.

Even if he doesn't support the GND, he does actually accept climate change as a problem and I'm willing to bet he's willing to deal with AOC and other green deal supporters in congress.

Some progress is better than no progress, though we don't have much time left if we want to mitigate the worst of the coming disaster.

[Thepersona]

Even if he doesn't support the GND, he does actually accept climate change as a problem and I'm willing to bet he's willing to deal with AOC and other green deal supporters in congress.

Some progress is better than no progress, though we don't have much time left if we want to mitigate the worst of the coming disaster.

10-15 years to be exact.

[Breccia]

WAIT I FOUND ANOTHER ONE

CBS News this time. As before, I'll cover the ones not already addressed.

1) That 30-40% fraud FINALLY got picked up. But I was wrong, Trump said 30-40% lost ballots. And, big surprise, he pulled it out of his ass. To be fair, there's a lot in that ass. But they all smell like shit. The closest CBS News found was one place in NJ where 19% of ballots were invalid, but not lost.

2) Trump said Obama's recession recover was the slowest and 2001 said "oh fuck you dot com".

3) Biden said Trump lost manufacturing jobs even before COVID. He shouldn't have said that. Manufacturing wasn't increasing like Trump promised, but it was adding jobs. Hey, it wasn't true, I gotta be consistent.

4) CBS News clarifies an NBC number. I said HHS said 133 million, but that was the high end, it was "between 61 and 133 million". That's still close to 100 million, but the midrange is a tad lower.

5) Trump said Biden called his travel ban racist. One, Trump didn't create a ban, he created a restriction. Hence the Trump Death Clock. Also, Europe. Second, the most commonly cited line from Biden was

This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science

So it seems Biden just called Trump a racist directly, and didn't actually mention the travel "ban".

What's that so far? That's gotta be north of thirty. And Trump is far more dishonest than Biden by all of them.

One more for the road:

Our Ruling

"You said you went to Delaware State but you forgot the name of your college."

Trump appeared to be referring to a remark that Biden made at a town hall in Florence, S.C., where he said that he got his "start" at DSU. In context, it’s clear that Biden wasn’t implying that he went to the university, but referencing the support he received from the school in 1972 when he announced his run for U.S. Senate on the campus.

The university itself pushed back on conservative media outlets reporting that Biden falsely claimed to have attended the school.

For the record, Biden attended the University of Delaware. [EDITOR: Before it was a clown college for drunk rich NJ brats]

Biden has never said he attended DSU. Trump lied. Again.

We rate this claim False.

Anyone else want to say they haven't seen any fact checks? Fucking bring it. I can do this all day. They're everywhere.

[kail]

The thing is, if Trump maintains his base, he will win because the electoral college is in his favor.

Again, do you think he retained all of his votes in 2016? Do you think he gained any? I seriously doubt it. Do I have a source for you? No. But from November 2016 to today, I've only seen Republicans distance themselves or work entirely against him instead of seeing his blind base grow. What moderate thought his 4 years were great?

[Themius]

https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/09/proud-boys-stand-by/

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When the president was asked to condemn white supremacists during Tuesday’s debate, Trump demured. Instead, his answer targeted leftwing violence and told the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist group that supports him, to “stand back and stand by.”

The Proud Boys have already exhibited a pattern of violence.
In their publicly viewable Telegram channels, the Proud Boys immediately responded to Trump’s words with an eruption of praise. “Stand by!!! PROUD BOYS ARE HEROES!!!” one member of a large channel wrote. “They begged him to stab us in the back and he didn’t,” another wrote in a different channel.

Dozens of other members of Proud Boy groups responded with waves of praise for Trump’s comment, approvingly and repeatedly quoting the phrase “stand back and stand by.” In one major group, the users made their pinned post an image of the words surrounding a golden wreath that the Proud Boys have taken as their logo.

Trump’s decision to not clearly condemn white supremacy and the Proud Boys in particular could have dangerous consequences. Proud Boys have already exhibited a pattern of violence by routinely assaulting protesters they see as not on their side, often without any physical provocation. According to the Daily Beast, Joey Biggs, a Proud Boys leader, chimed in on the right-wing social media app Parler with his interpretation of the president’s remarks: “Trump basically said to go fuck them up!…this makes me so happy.”

Adjacent extremist groups could also take Trump’s refusal to disavow white supremacists as a tacit endorsement. The investigative news site Bellingcat recently reported on a leaked trove of chat messages shared by right-wing activists in Oregon. It includes a message from a user named Paige discussing when would be an appropriate time to use violence: “I’m waiting for the presidential go to start open firing.”

[Breccia]

Fuck it, why not, here's two more.

1) Trump claimed the sheriff of Portland backed him. Even if he had said something of the kind, he's already said tonight by tweet no he doesn't.

EDIT:

In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the “Portland Sheriff” supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.

So let's review: Biden was asked to name law enforcement endorsements and either did not or could not. Trump named one but lied about it. Which was the worse move?

2) And here's a FOX News story about 175 law enforcement endorsements of Biden. Shame Biden didn't name one. Or say "your own intelligence officials".

[Zaydin]

Rick Santorum says Trumps behavior tonight is likely going to end up sabotaging down ballot Republicans and that he would be mad at Trump right now if he were a down ballot Republican.

[Thepersona]

Rick Santorum says Trumps behavior tonight is likely going to end up sabotaging down ballot Republicans and that he would be mad at Trump right now if he were a down ballot Republican.

I mean, this was apparent in 2016/2018 and now.

[beanman12345]

Rick Santorum says Trumps behavior tonight is likely going to end up sabotaging down ballot Republicans and that he would be mad at Trump right now if he were a down ballot Republican.

I think i said it a little while ago. The debate didn't surprise me tonight, Trump didn't surprise me, it was Rick Santorum that surprised me.

[Breccia]

Rick Santorum says Trumps behavior tonight is likely going to end up sabotaging down ballot Republicans and that he would be mad at Trump right now if he were a down ballot Republican.

He allowed himself — he indulged himself, to the detriment — to the woman that was quoted in Ohio. ‘I liked a lot of the things he said.’ I don’t think this is a center-of-left country. I think this is a center-of-right country. We can win with a center-of-right campaign, but you can’t when you have someone as caustic as what the president was in this debate. A lot of Republicans will be upset. We have a winning message, contrast and we had a candidate who didn’t do well in Biden, but Donald Trump ran wild

--Santorum

It’s unusual because he’s known for being so restrained in indulging his appetites.

--Anderson Cooper, very next line spoken.

[Edge-]

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/91848...hite-supremacy

WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm prepared to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead, who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left. Because this is not a right-wing problem, this is a left-wing problem.

BIDEN: His own FBI director said ... Antifa is an idea, not an organization. Not militias.

TRUMP: Oh, you gotta be kidding.

BIDEN: His FBI director said that.

WALLACE: We're done, sir.

BIDEN: Everybody in your administration.

TRUMP: When a bat hits you over the head, that's not an idea. Antifa is bad.

BIDEN: Everybody who tells you the truth in your administration has a bad idea.

TRUMP: Antifa is a dangerous, radical group, and you ought to be careful with them. They'll overthrow you.

Again, Donald Trump was handed the most softball challenge a president can ever face in their lifetime - being asked to say "White supremacy is bad." on national TV...

AND HE FUCKING BLEW IT

I cannot get over how jaw dropping this is. This proves every one of the earlier criticisms about his failure to directly condemn white supremacists after Charlottesville to be 100% accurate.

Donald Trump was given a softball opportunity to declare that he was not a white supremacist president.

Donald Trump is a white supremacist president.

My utter shame in many of my fellow Americans has never been so deep.

[Egomaniac]

Frank Luntz's focus group, Ruthie from PA (upper right corner) said she was undecided coming into tonight..... but now likes Biden b/c Trump was behaving like a "crackhead" and made the debate impossible to watch:

On the nose Ruthie .... very on the nose.

On the one hand, good for her.

On the other hand, has she spent the last 5 years in a coma? He pulled all this same shit during the last round of debates.

[Breccia]

They asked him on ABC

Wait I've found another one!

ABC News somehow found more that weren't covered yet. Holy shit, did Trump lie a lot.

1) "And now, we're weeks away from a vaccine" I mean, techincally we're "weeks" away from the sun exploding. It's just a lot of weeks. Experts say 2021.

2) "He has executive orders that have no power. He hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody." Well, Biden gets by on a technicality. The E.O. he signed hasn't reduced drugs bought for Medicare yet. And the E.O. will almost certainly be challenged in court. Skin of his teeth there.

3) Ballots received after Election Day are not fraud. Trump lied.

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I cannot get over how jaw dropping this is.

Really? You thought Trump would say, in public, "I condemn white supremacy and the KKK?" Biden won that exchange easily by saying he condemns violence.

[AntiFascistVoter]

So Trump's strategy for getting back the swing voters in the upper Midwest he's losing to Biden is to insult people who:

• Went to state colleges.
• Have had or know someone with addiction problems.

Seems promising.


Anyone remember years ago when our Three Woke Stooges kept saying Trump would lead the way with the Opioid Crisis?

[Thepersona]

Wait I've found another one!

ABC News somehow found more that weren't covered yet. Holy shit, did Trump lie a lot.

1) "And now, we're weeks away from a vaccine" I mean, techincally we're "weeks" away from the sun exploding. It's just a lot of weeks. Experts say 2021.

2) "He has executive orders that have no power. He hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody." Well, Biden gets by on a technicality. The E.O. he signed hasn't reduced drugs bought for Medicare yet. And the E.O. will almost certainly be challenged in court. Skin of his teeth there.

3) Ballots received after Election Day are not fraud. Trump lied.

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Really? You thought Trump would say, in public, "I condemn white supremacy and the KKK?" Biden won that exchange easily by saying he condemns violence.

For your fist point. Sinovac expects to have its vaccine being distributed in december 2020 to early 2021 (but again, chinese vaccine, so good luck US)

For your second point... Well yeah.

For your third point, this actually scares me. He's really unwilling to accept results if he doesnt win.

[eschatological]

Think about this: this was the debate supposed to be most friendly to Trump.

Chris Wallace, though he has held Trump to a standard in the past, is a conservative through and through. Trump couldn't have had a better moderator that Biden would have agreed to, he could only have done better if Hannity or Judge Jeanine was asking the questions.

[beanman12345]

Quick look at his twitter, even Trump knows he did terribly, trying to throw all the blame on Chris Wallace. Like what?

[jonnysensible]

Quick look at his twitter, even Trump knows he did terribly, trying to throw all the blame on Chris Wallace. Like what?

coordinated all the big tory accounts (shapario etc) are going in on wallace