Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[postman1782]

Let me just cut this short: you have no line of attack on a man who could be attacked on SO many issues. Because your candidate is just as bad. There are numerous instances of Biden behaving as badly as Trump did yesterday (google it). The same is true of almost everything negative you can say about Trump.

You chose to fight Trump by electing a candidate on Trump's own terms. You didn't have to do that. You could have elected someone who wasn't a shit version of Trump. The problem with electing a shit version of Trump to fight Trump is that Trump is the more appealing candidate to Trump supporters rather than the Trump low-fat substitute.

LOL, the delusion is strong with this one. Go make another account.

[sandscrit]

Roflmao you think Trump supporters can be convinced? These loons don't even exist in the same reality. We don't need to attack Trump he stood on stage and ask white supremacists to stand by to create havoc. Trump supporters have zero problem with him being openly racist.

Obviously they can be convinced or the polls would not show less people supporting Trump.

[gondrin]

Let me just cut this short: you have no line of attack on a man who could be attacked on SO many issues. Because your candidate is just as bad. There are numerous instances of Biden behaving as badly as Trump did yesterday (google it). The same is true of almost everything negative you can say about Trump.

You chose to fight Trump by electing a candidate on Trump's own terms. You didn't have to do that. You could have elected someone who wasn't a shit version of Trump. The problem with electing a shit version of Trump to fight Trump is that Trump is the more appealing candidate to Trump supporters rather than the Trump low-fat substitute.

Wow, I must have touched a nerve. First off, neither of these people are my candidates and the only person that is a shit version of trump is trump himself. He is like a black hole. And no, the parties do the nominating, not the electorate. They are the ones doing the choosing of the candidates, of who people get to vote for. To claim Biden is ANYWHERE near as bad as trump is like saying Churchill was as bad as Stalin. Both were assholes in their own right but one is FAR worse then the other.

Yes, all candidates have their skeletons, but which one took out a full page ad calling for the deaths of a group of people that were innocent? who has people(including children) ACTIVELY locked in cages and claims they can be put there indefinitely because they are only from other country instead of deporting them outright? which candidate actively refuses or deflects when they have a chance to denounce hate?

[sandscrit]

LOL, the delusion is strong with this one. Go make another account.

I've noticed a strong tendency among Biden supporters to deflect the argument away from this line of reasoning, suggesting strongly they know it is true.

[Draco-Onis]

Obviously they can be convinced or the polls would not show less people supporting Trump.

There is a 40 percentish that have consistently stayed with him. There's nothing that can convince them.

[postman1782]

Wow, I must have touched a nerve. First off, neither of these people are my candidates and the only person that is a shit version of trump is trump himself. He is like a black hole. And no, the parties do the nominating, not the electorate. They are the ones doing the choosing of the candidates, of who people get to vote for. To claim Biden is ANYWHERE near as bad as trump is like saying Churchill was as bad as Stalin. Both were assholes in their own right but one is FAR worse then the other.

Yes, all candidates have their skeletons, but which one took out a full page ad calling for the deaths of a group of people that were innocent? who has people(including children) ACTIVELY locked in cages and claims they can be put there indefinitely because they are only from other country instead of deporting them outright? which candidate actively refuses or deflects when they have a chance to denounce hate?

Yep, Trump refused to denounce white supremacists and actively asked one to help him at the polls for poll intimidation.

[sandscrit]

Wow, I must have touched a nerve.

I am completely disinterested emotionally in which candidate you people select. Both seem to be quite nasty, stupid people. I find the intellectual side of this fascinating though.

[postman1782]

I've noticed a strong tendency among Biden supporters to deflect the argument away from this line of reasoning, suggesting strongly they know it is true.

Nope. You are just as delusional as I thought you were. Making up severe bullshit to defend your support for a racist dipshit like Trump.

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I am completely disinterested emotionally in which candidate you people select. Both seem to be quite nasty, stupid people. I find the intellectual side of this fascinating though.

The fact that you think Biden is "nasty", means you have no fucking clue who Biden is, especially in comparison to Trump.

[sandscrit]

There is a 40 percentish that have consistently stayed with him. There's nothing that can convince them.

That's the party line of corporate democrats.

The truth is that there's a significant minority that voted for Trump because he paid lip service to the idea of helping the working-class when Hilary offered them literally nothing.

Trump didn't do that so much this time so he'll probably lose, but this election is way too close considering Trump is one of the worst ever US presidents. It would be over tomorrow if Biden offered universal healthcare, ubi or anything to suggest he will actually govern differently from Trump.

[postman1782]

That's the party line of corporate democrats.

The truth is that there's a significant minority that voted for Trump because he paid lip service to the idea of helping the working-class when Hilary offered them literally nothing.

Trump didn't do that so much this time so he'll probably lose, but this election is way too close considering Trump is one of the worst ever US presidents. It would be over tomorrow if Biden offered universal healthcare, ubi or anything to suggest he will actually govern differently from Trump.

And he has FAILED TO DELIVER ON ANYTHING. Except enriching the 1%.

[sandscrit]

The fact that you think Biden is "nasty", means you have no fucking clue who Biden is, especially in comparison to Trump.

He's nasty. From wikipedia:

He then entered Syracuse University College of Law, later saying he found law school "the biggest bore in the world" and that he
pulled many all-nighters to get by.[27][22][28] During his first year there, Biden
was accused of having plagiarized five of 15 pages of a law review article.

In 1968, Biden clerked for six months at a Wilmington law firm headed by prominent
local Republican William Prickett and, as he later said, "thought of myself as a
Republican"

Biden described himself as liberal on civil rights and liberties, senior citizens'
concerns and healthcare, but conservative on other issues, including abortion
and the draft

Biden became ranking minority member of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary
in 1981. In 1984, he was a Democratic floor manager for the successful passage of
the Comprehensive Crime Control Act. Over time, the law's tough-on-crime provisions
became controversial on the left and among criminal justice reform proponents, and
in 2019 Biden called his role in passing the legislation a "big mistake"

In 1993, Biden voted in favor of 10 U.S.C. §654, a section of a broader federally
mandated policy that deemed homosexuality incompatible with military life thereby
banning gay Americans from serving in the United States armed forces in any capacity
without exception

The ban was held unconstitutional in Log Cabin Republicans v. United States for
violation of First and Fifth Amendment rights.

In 1996, Biden voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act (1 U.S.C. §7), which
prohibited the federal government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, barring
individuals in such marriages from equal protection under federal law, and allowing
states to do the same.[74] In 2013, Section 3 of DOMA was ruled unconstitutional and
partially struck down in United States v. Windsor. The Obama Administration did not
defend the law and congratulated Windsor.[75] In 2015, DOMA was ruled
unconstitutional in totality in Obergefell v. Hodges.[76]

In the mid-1970s, Biden was one of the Senate's leading opponents of desegregation
busing. His white Delaware constituents strongly opposed it, and such opposition
nationwide later led his party to mostly abandon school desegregation policies.[80]


Following this, some Delaware residents met at the Krebs School in Newport to
protest integration. Biden spoke to the auditorium and said his position on school
busing was evolving, emphasizing that busing in Delaware was in his opinion beyond
court restrictions. The crowd was unconvinced, and heckled him until he yielded
the microphone.[83] This, along with the prospect of a busing plan in Wilmington,
led Biden to align himself with civil rights opponent Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) in
opposing busing. Biden and anti-busing senators wanted to limit the scope of Title
VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with respect to the federal government's power to
enforce school integration policies.[80] After 1975, Biden took a harsher line on
further legislative action to limit busing.[67] That year, Helms proposed an
anti-integration amendment to an education bill that would stop the Department of
Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW) from collecting data about students' or
teachers' races and thereby prevent it from defunding districts that refused to
integrate. Biden supported this amendment, saying: "I am sure it comes as a surprise
to some of my colleagues ... that a senator with a voting record such as mine
stands up and supports" it.[84] He said busing was a "bankrupt idea [that violated]
the cardinal rule of common sense", and that his opposition would make it easier
for other liberals to follow suit.[67] But he had also supported integrationist
Senator Edward Brooke's (R-MA) initiatives on housing, job opportunities and voting
rights.[82] Civil rights lawyer and NAACP Legal Defense Fund director Jack Greenberg
criticized Biden's support for the bill, saying it "heave[d] a brick through the
window of school integration", with Biden's hand on the brick.[85]


By August 1987, Biden's campaign, whose messaging was confused due to staff rivalries,
[20]:108–109 had begun to lag behind those of Michael Dukakis and Dick Gephardt,[90]
though he had still raised more funds than any candidate but Dukakis, and was seeing
an upturn in Iowa polls.[91][20]:83 In September 1987, the campaign ran into trouble
when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech that had been made earlier that year by
British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock.

A few days later, Biden's plagiarism incident in law school came to public light.[28]
Video was also released showing that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident
about his grades in law school, he had said he graduated in the "top half" of his class,
that he had attended law school on a full scholarship, and that he had received three
degrees in college,[27][97] each of which was untrue or an exaggeration.[27] Advisers
and reporters pointed out that he falsely claimed to have marched in the civil rights
movement.[98]

Biden was a longtime member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In 1997,
he became the ranking minority member and chaired the committee in January 2001 and from
June 2001 to 2003. When Democrats retook control of the Senate after the 2006 elections,
Biden again assumed the top spot on the committee.[130] He was generally a liberal
internationalist in foreign policy.[77][131] He collaborated effectively with important
Republican senators such as Richard Lugar and Jesse Helms and sometimes went against
elements of his own party

Biden was a strong supporter of the 2001 war in Afghanistan, saying, "Whatever it takes, we should do it

As head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Biden said in 2002 that Saddam Hussein
was a threat to national security and there was no option but to "eliminate" that threat.[140]
In October 2002, he voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq,
approving the U.S. invasion of Iraq.[131] More significantly, as chair of the committee, he
assembled a series of witnesses to testify in favor of the authorization. They gave testimony
grossly misrepresenting the intent, history of and status of Saddam and his Sunni government,
which was an openly avowed enemy of al-Qaida, and touting Iraq's fictional possession of weapons
of mass destruction.[141]

During the 2000s, Biden sponsored bankruptcy legislation that was sought by MBNA, one of Delaware's
largest companies, and other credit card issuers.[18] He allowed an amendment to the bill to
increase the homestead exemption for homeowners declaring bankruptcy and fought for an amendment
to forbid anti-abortion felons from using bankruptcy to discharge fines; President Clinton vetoed
the bill in 2000 but it finally passed in 2005 as the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer
Protection Act, with Biden supporting it.[18] A vociferous supporter, Biden was one of only 18
Democratic senators to vote with the Republicans in favor of the legislation, while leading
Democrats and consumer rights organizations came out in opposition

Biden had also been criticized in July 2006 for a remark he made about his support among Indian
Americans: "I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is
Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have
a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking

Sorry but Biden is a complete asshole and you know it. He's probably a slightly less worse human being than Trump but that's like saying cold shit smells better than warm shit.

[postman1782]

FAIL, so much fail. Trying so hard.

[zmp]

I kinda felt sad for racist Joe to debate against Trump

[postman1782]

I kinda felt sad for racist Joe to debate against Trump

LOL, like you even watched the debate from Russia.

[sandscrit]

FAIL, so much fail. Trying so hard.

What an amazing comeback. Let me guess, I suck too, and I'm stupid.

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LOL, like you even watched the debate from Russia.

His location is listed as Denmark. For the benefit of Americans, Denmark is not in Russia.

[minteK917]

Anybody thinkin Trump somehow did good is either bad faith or stupid. Nobody with a functionning brain can think winning a debate amount to saying random shit 80% of the time. People saying its idiocracy are understating how dumb your fucking president sound. President Chomacho could fucking form sentences.

[sandscrit]

Anybody thinkin Trump somehow did good is either bad faith or stupid. Nobody with a function brain can think winning a debate amount to saying random shit 80% of the time. People saying its idiocracy are understating how dumb your fucking president sound. President Chomacho could fucking form sentences.

Well Trump came out with a random string of angry nonsenical insults. So yeah, that makes him a perfect to lead the United States. He encapsulates the American virtues of greed, arrogance, violence and hostility to anything resembling education.

[zmp]

His location is listed as Denmark. For the benefit of Americans, Denmark is not in Russia.

Don't confuse him. He probably think Denmark/Russia is located "somewhere around New Jersey".

[gondrin]

Well, if you look at a lot of those, he has come out and either apologized for his past actions and therefore is trying to make amends for them as he knows they were wrong. That alone makes him look far better then Trump.

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Anybody thinkin Trump somehow did good is either bad faith or stupid. Nobody with a functionning brain can think winning a debate amount to saying random shit 80% of the time. People saying its idiocracy are understating how dumb your fucking president sound. President Chomacho could fucking form sentences.

And he actively tried to find someone smart to solve an actual crisis.

[Gelannerai]

Joe Biden: runs political ads for weeks condemning violence during protests and calling for unity in dealing with systemic racism

Donald Trump: literally issues orders to a white supremacist gang from the presidential debate stage