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    are there any state poll numbers to look at that will flip red/blue?
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    Here’s the conundrum: Florida law states felons can’t vote before paying all their sentence-related debts. Problem is: many can’t find out how much they owe. There’s no centralized system. We saw old debts handwritten on index cards.

    Yes a total shitshow. I hope this is overturned but now the way the courts are fixed it seems impossible. If one of them can prove that there is no way to pay fines since there is no records that is infringing on his Constitutional rights.

    Welcome to the new Voter Suppressions and courts ruling against voting rights for the next decades.
    This has been known about since this shit was passed, and the state has made no apparent efforts to sort their shit out and allow former felons to regain their Constitutional right to vote.

    It's part of the con by Republicans in Florida, they know the system is a shambles and forcing people to work through the broken system will achieve the same effect as if the ballot measure never passed.

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    I think this is a bit silly now. At least Obama was a president at the time, and had managed to do something, like his speech in Cairo. Biden appears to just be "not Trump", which counts for something, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This has been known about since this shit was passed, and the state has made no apparent efforts to sort their shit out and allow former felons to regain their Constitutional right to vote.

    It's part of the con by Republicans in Florida, they know the system is a shambles and forcing people to work through the broken system will achieve the same effect as if the ballot measure never passed.
    Yes, its so blatant but I guess not enough for legal action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I think this is a bit silly now. At least Obama was a president at the time, and had managed to do something, like his speech in Cairo. Biden appears to just be "not Trump", which counts for something, I suppose.
    It honestly looks like some kind of high-end troll. Because you're right, Biden hasn't even been elected yet. What he's done this year for peace is fuck-all, at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    are there any state poll numbers to look at that will flip red/blue?
    Almost all of the states that Trump barely won in 2016. I think the 3 states he won, Trump is losing them all, by decent margins.

    He won Pennsylvania by less than 45k votes.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6861.html
    Biden is up by 5.3% on average. The Trafalgar group poll is HEAVILY leaning to Republicans, almost as bad, if not worse than Rasmussen.

    Trump won Wisconsin by less than 23k votes.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6849.html
    Biden has an average lead of 6.2% thanks to the Trafalgar group poll bringing that down too.

    And Trump barely won Michigan by less than 11k votes.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6761.html
    Biden up by 5.2% on average. Again Trafalgar group is so based they think Trump is winning.

    The fact that they conduct their polling like this:
    Trafalgar Group adjusts its polls for a "social desirability" effect, the hypothesized tendency of some voters to calibrate their responses to polls towards what they believe the survey taker would like to hear.[2][3][4] It does this by not only asking respondents how they plan to vote but also how they think their neighbors might vote.[4] Former Democratic Party strategist Ed Kilgore, in the New York Magazine in July 2020, criticized Trafalgar's approach, writing, "The Shy Trump Voter may not be entirely a myth, but they’re not numerous enough to fill a Trump rally, much less change an election result or rebut a poll."[5]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafalgar_Group

    Means no one should listen to them.

  7. #15247
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-taxes-totally

    The NYT report on Trump's taxes are now "totally made up".

    Surely Trump will release his tax returns to clear the record now, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-taxes-totally

    The NYT report on Trump's taxes are now "totally made up".

    Surely Trump will release his tax returns to clear the record now, right?
    Even though Trump confirmed they are real? Amazing.

  9. #15249
    https://apnews.com/article/virus-out...ae0343ac9493fa

    Reminder that one party is actually trying to work during the pandemic. House Democrats passed another Covid-19 relief bill, this time to the tune of $2.2T, a reduction from the earlier $3.4T bill they passed. It includes the $600 a week unemployment benefit extension, a second round of $1,200 direct payments, scales back money for state and local aide and includes hundreds of billions for colleges and the PPP.

    It does not include McConnell's blanket liability protection for businesses during the pandemic, because businesses operating dangerously and putting their employees at risk should be legally liable if their actions cause employees and/or customers to get sick.

    Democrats continue to try to find a compromise. Republicans continue to...well, not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-taxes-totally

    The NYT report on Trump's taxes are now "totally made up".

    Surely Trump will release his tax returns to clear the record now, right?
    So, they are illegally leaked fake tax returns?

    Trump's such a fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    are there any state poll numbers to look at that will flip red/blue?
    I haven't seen anything, but I also haven't been looking. Pelosi is gearing up for the possibility of the House picking the President in January. Currently the State legislators are 22-26 Dem-GOP controlled, with two other kinda in limbo.

    State races are key - if anyone finds a good aggregate polling site, please link it. Fivethirtyeight doesn't track that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I think this is a bit silly now. At least Obama was a president at the time, and had managed to do something, like his speech in Cairo. Biden appears to just be "not Trump", which counts for something, I suppose.
    I ddidn't think it meant anything beyond not being Bush.
    And his continuation of much of GWB's war time policies was less than endearing for those that hoped for "better than Bush, and lamented "at least he's not Republican."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    And still 40%+ follow him and the election will be close, with a distinct possibility of Trump winning.

    What in the holy fuck is wrong with this country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    What in the holy fuck is wrong with this country?
    Looking from the outside in.... rampant misinformation, lack of education and lack of trust in people that know wtf they're talking about, AKA experts, because of those first two things?

    Plus the cult-like behaviour, of course

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    This election will be a record breaking election. Some observations from early data collected by “2020 General Election Early Vote Statistics” by University of Florida US Election Project.

    As of Monday, September 28, 1,025,722 ballots have already been turned in.

    In 2016, only 10,000 ballots have been turned in by the same time period.

    So far, Nationally, voters have cast 0.7% of the total votes counted in the 2016 general election.

    Based on reports from states with party registration data (FL, IA and NC), the breakdown is 53.8% Democrats, 16.7% Republicans, Minor Parties 0.3% and Independent 29.2%.

    Voters have requested a total of 64,612,936 ballots in the reporting states.

    That's just short of half of the total votes counted in 2016 general election.

    Early project data indicate the number of voters in 2020 will be 20% to 30% (25 to 37 million votes) higher than 2016.

    One way or another this will be a blowout election. Both in term of turnout and spending.

    BTW, ActBlue has raised over 300M in small donation since Ginsburg passing. That's 30M per day.

    Thank you Trump for a historically groundbreaking election.

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    Not sure if this part of his taxes were discussed:

    Trump says he still can't share returns after report he paid only $750 in income taxes in 2016 and 2017
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rt/3556287001/
    While Trump paid only $750 in federal income taxes in 2017, he or his companies paid $145,400 to India, $15,598 to Panama and $156,824 in the Philippines the same year.
    America First? Evil globalist? Something tells me this will be brought up tomorrow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Not sure if this part of his taxes were discussed:

    Trump says he still can't share returns after report he paid only $750 in income taxes in 2016 and 2017
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rt/3556287001/


    America First? Evil globalist? Something tells me this will be brought up tomorrow...
    Navarro: Trump paid Stormy Daniels more than he paid in taxes

    Lol! Here I thought it could not get any worse than Clinton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post

    Thank you Trump for a historically groundbreaking election.
    That was his hugely bigly-brained 56-D chess plan all along: to be such a complete shit-show and public embarrassment that people stampede to the polls to eject his ass from office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    That was his hugely bigly-brained 56-D chess plan all along: to be such a complete shit-show and public embarrassment that people stampede to the polls to eject his ass from office.
    To be fair, knowing what we know now about his finances, it’s a solid plan...
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