Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

My take on the debate is best expressed by Doug Schoen. A Fox news political analyst ( democrat, who worked with the Bill Clinton administration ) who will vote for Biden and is no supporter of Trump....

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/firs...ce-doug-schoen

"The first presidential debate between President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden has concluded. Following the night, the biggest takeaway is that there were no surprises, and nothing happened that will change any attitudes, cause either candidate to gain or lose any votes, or move any undecided voters one way or the other.

Indeed, while the debate was contentious, and at times became personal, it lacked any real substance that could change attitudes in any meaningful way.

Given the level of back-and-forth between the candidates, the substance of the candidates’ answers was often lost and took a back seat to their style of argumentation and command of the room.

Though, in terms of style, in my view, President Trump was the clear winner—Trump was in command of the conversation, in control of the discussion, and if not presidential, certainly more in command."

But Biden did well I think, And Trump failed to express himself well enough on some topics. Both candidates interrupted each other and Trump was the worse about that.

Overall, it was a draw and the winner or loser is going to depend on who you ask.

Your boy refused to condemn white supremacy.

I'll assume your inability to respond to this is an admission that you also refuse to condemn white supremacy.

[Draco-Onis]

Your boy refused to condemn white supremacy.

I'll assume your inability to respond to this is an admission that you also refuse to condemn white supremacy.

It's pretty obvious that Trump is a white supremacist he hires Neo Nazis for positions of power. Trump supporters are perfectly fine with racism a lot of them vote for him because of it. You won't find Ghosty here be bothered enough by it not to vote for his dear leader.

[DingDongKing]

Proud Boys are White Nationalist "Race Realists" which is just another word for White Supremacy.

Sounds about right. Trump will never condemn white supremacy because his entire base is hinging on more racism, not less.

[Milchshake]

A friend has this superb realization. The rhetoric of Trump and Rogan is devastatingly effective on insecure men.
Just mouthing the words make them feel like a tougher, smarter version of themselves. Many are walking & talking like him. A bunch practice into a mirror.
These boys are dominance-obsessed and gravitate towards the loudest screamer.


Podcasters and Twitter are completely non-misrepresentative of Americans, in terms of temperament and demographics. Most people like even keels, especially in leaders.

[Daelak]

That's the party line of corporate democrats.

The truth is that there's a significant minority that voted for Trump because he paid lip service to the idea of helping the working-class when Hilary offered them literally nothing.

Trump didn't do that so much this time so he'll probably lose, but this election is way too close considering Trump is one of the worst ever US presidents. It would be over tomorrow if Biden offered universal healthcare, ubi or anything to suggest he will actually govern differently from Trump.

Your second sentence is a lie, Clinton proposed billions of dollars in her FY 2018 budget proposal to re-training, re-tooling, and educational subsidies for rust belt towns to make them economically viable in the 21st century. Its been a standard platform for all democrats since the Great recession.

[Machismo]

I feel terrible for Trump. It's clear he's declining mentally, and probably has dementia. How dare the people around him push him to run, when he clearly needs medical care for this!!!

[noidentity]

Biden's campaign recieved 3.8 million in donations within the first hour of the debate.

https://store.joebiden.com/will-you-...black-t-shirt/

Biden is already selling shirts.

[Endus]

A friend has this superb realization. The rhetoric of Trump and Rogan is devastatingly effective on insecure men.
Just mouthing the words make them feel like a tougher, smarter version of themselves. Many are walking & talking like him. A bunch practice into a mirror.
These boys are dominance-obsessed and gravitate towards the loudest screamer.


Podcasters and Twitter are completely non-misrepresentative of Americans, in terms of temperament and demographics. Most people like even keels, especially in leaders.

That's always been true of the alpha/beta nonsense. Beyond the fact that it's horse shit, no one who's confident enough in themselves to be what they consider an "alpha" would give two shits about whether they were an alpha or beta. Just by considering the possibility of such a system, they implicitly admit that they are weak and insecure. And it's true here, for the same reasons; these are weak people trying so very hard to cosplay as if they're strong. Even Trump. Trump is so fucking desperate to maintain his image of strength, because that's all it is; a soapbubble mirage.

[DingDongKing]

That's always been true of the alpha/beta nonsense. Beyond the fact that it's horse shit, no one who's confident enough in themselves to be what they consider an "alpha" would give two shits about whether they were an alpha or beta. Just by considering the possibility of such a system, they implicitly admit that they are weak and insecure. And it's true here, for the same reasons; these are weak people trying so very hard to cosplay as if they're strong. Even Trump. Trump is so fucking desperate to maintain his image of strength, because that's all it is; a soapbubble mirage.

Insecure, thinks watching MMA/boxing is manly, vociferously defends their skewed view of 2A, hates being asked to show sensitivity to diverse groups. Then just add/subtract other bits based on sub group. Hates Brie Larson/Disney/Rian Johnson/Last Of Us Pt.2/Cardi B/BLM etc.

[Monster Hunter]

Agreed with most of that.

Oh and by the way... Mark Dice has weighed in.

I agree with that 2nd guy.

"That wasn't a debate it was a disgrace"

"We can talk about who won and who lost the debate, but its the American people that lost"

The world saw that. The worlds leaders saw that. My opinion dosnt matter, I can't vote in the US. But Macron, Markel they saw that, Americans enemys whinny the poo and putin they saw that.

[Logwyn]

Too bad you don’t grasp that it is indeed down to these two.

Should it be though? Why is it the only two choices? Media portrayal? Education? Or just down to simple policies? Amount of money each party has?

[DingDongKing]

Depends entirely on how you criticize these ones though. The ones bitching on about "muh SJW agenda" yeah for sure, but criticizing the impact Rian Johnson's 'The Last Jedi' had on the sequel trilogy (and the star wars universe as a whole) doesn't make you a nutcase rabid anti-SJW.

Agreed. I absofuckinglutely hate everything to do with the sequel trilogy. They're creatively bankrupt movies and a glaring example of filmmaking by marketing committee. But I dislike it for reasons that are not to do with 'identity politics' or 'women destroying Star Wars'.

[Orange Joe]

Boomer squad? ROFLl!! If you only knew what generation I am from. And anyone who judges another based on some posts on a gaming forum, speaks volumes about them.

Coming from someone that has half the forum on ignore......

[Biglog]

The debate wasn't going to sway any voters, there aren't really any undecideds. But what it did offer was the possibility of one of the candidates "losing it" and slipping up, going into a Jack Nicholson moment from A Few Good Men. Well that's *exactly* what Trump did on the Proud Boys question.

The only thing anyone in the country is talking about today is that Trump refused to condemn white supremecy when given the chance, and instead doubled-down on them. A 100% undisputable confirmation of Trump's position on white supremecist militia groups in support of them was the takeaway. There was some bashing of the moderators too, but that was barely a side note. The usual line his press reps use that "he was just joking" to deflect won't work for this. So it was a resounding success for Biden in that regard, and best of all Trump did it to himself. I thought his temper might get the best of him and cause him to slip up, and he did in a big way.

[downnola]

Your second sentence is a lie, Clinton proposed billions of dollars in her FY 2018 budget proposal to re-training, re-tooling, and educational subsidies for rust belt towns to make them economically viable in the 21st century. Its been a standard platform for all democrats since the Great recession.

That's all well and good, but the "working class" he's referring to doesn't see any of that as help. They just want brown people to stop crossing the border and taking their jobs, or for companies to stop shipping their business overseas where other brown people are taking their jobs.

They only see it as a win if certain people lose.

[Thepersona]

Insecure, thinks watching MMA/boxing is manly, vociferously defends their skewed view of 2A, hates being asked to show sensitivity to diverse groups. Then just add/subtract other bits based on sub group. Hates Brie Larson/Disney/Rian Johnson/Last Of Us Pt.2/Cardi B/BLM etc.

I mean, you can hate Last of Us Pt 2 w/o being an insecure male (as most of people say that the part where u play as the bad guy is too long and asisine).

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Agreed. I absofuckinglutely hate everything to do with the sequel trilogy. They're creatively bankrupt movies and a glaring example of filmmaking by marketing committee. But I dislike it for reasons that are not to do with 'identity politics' or 'women destroying Star Wars'.

Yea, but you could make strong female leads and make it well (i'm looking at you Ashoka). They could've adapted the comics/books and everyone would be happy.

[Monster Hunter]

A friend has this superb realization. The rhetoric of Trump and Rogan is devastatingly effective on insecure men.
Just mouthing the words make them feel like a tougher, smarter version of themselves. Many are walking & talking like him. A bunch practice into a mirror.
These boys are dominance-obsessed and gravitate towards the loudest screamer.


Podcasters and Twitter are completely non-misrepresentative of Americans, in terms of temperament and demographics. Most people like even keels, especially in leaders.

Your close, It goes deeper though.

Why do people want to feel tough?
Because there insecure, insecurity the feeling of vunrability.....what are they vulnerable to and of ?
Well its there image there sense of self who they think they are and there purpose and reason to exist.

A man is a man because a man does manly things, if men don't do manly things or those things are nolonger manly then what is a man and there for what am I if all I've ever identified with is being a man?

Its that kind of thought that makes them insecure and afraid of the new world.

A few social commentators and philosphers I've read have been postulating that this age should really be called the age of nihilism, not because were all nihilistic but that were all being born without a sense of purpose and were left to find our own and our own identities and an awful lot are finding purpose and identity in unhealth identities and ideologies.

Thats the danger of freedom at the end of the day, that people have the freedom to choose wrong.

But its only 3 o'clock here and thats way to heavy a conversation for this time of day.

[idunnowatdo]

Didn’t see a lot of it. What’s up with trump talking about the proud boys stand back and stand by? Aren’t they a Militant group or something ?

[Thepersona]

I agree with that 2nd guy.

"That wasn't a debate it was a disgrace"

"We can talk about who won and who lost the debate, but its the American people that lost"

The world saw that. The worlds leaders saw that. My opinion dosnt matter, I can't vote in the US. But Macron, Markel they saw that, Americans enemys whinny the poo and putin they saw that.

I saw that. I know that Chile's future lies with China, and the US, even with Biden being president, is not worth the hassle.

[Felya]

Insecure, thinks watching MMA/boxing is manly, vociferously defends their skewed view of 2A, hates being asked to show sensitivity to diverse groups. Then just add/subtract other bits based on sub group. Hates Brie Larson/Disney/Rian Johnson/Last Of Us Pt.2/Cardi B/BLM etc.

As a combat sports fan, just a bit of a rebuttal:



I know... the tired no true Scotsman...