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What happened to Rasmussen?Originally Posted by PhaelixWW
Well this is an interesting development...
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2020-09-30, 06:19 PM #15381Over 9000!
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2020-09-30, 06:23 PM #15382Old God
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Maybe they forgot to put their homemade "adjustments" into the data before release? Originally Posted by Rasulis
because if its this bad on Rasmussen .....Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!
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2020-09-30, 06:32 PM #15383Void Lord
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Flying flamingo... lol... Have not seen that one... Originally Posted by Monster Hunter
I’m sure you’ve seen it... but, I think this is a perfect example of modern US politics versus British:
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Are they the reason Biden’s chances increased by 1 on 538? It went from 22/77 before the debate, to 21/78 now... Originally Posted by Rasulis
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/
I might be wrong, but their graph does make this seem like Trump’s lowest point since Biden got the nom...Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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2020-09-30, 06:32 PM #15384I Don't Work Here
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Then you have not actually been reading anything I post very carefully. Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots
I'm not "pro-status-quo". I'm pro-incrementalism. Because the alternative to incrementalism is demanding subjugation to your own personal political viewpoints "or else". Which is ridiculous, self-involved, navel-gazing horse shit.
I'm not "pro-corporate". I recognize the reality of the world we currently live in, and my suggestions as to what needs to happen now are based in that reality, not the hypothetical idealized utopia I wish existed instead.
While corporate money in politics can be an issue, it's an issue the American voters can fix pretty much any time they actually want to. The real issue is that American voters largely do not care. Also, it bears pointing out that those corporations are as much a component of "the public" as any individual citizen; the issue is that they may be granted undue consideration, not that they're granted consideration at all. You can't draw a line between "corporations" and "the public", any more than you can draw a line between "dogs" and "mammals". The one is a subset of the latter.
As for the "hamster wheel", you have a few options;
1> Do nothing. You're irrelevant and nobody cares what you think, as a result.
2> Vote. You have your voice, which matters as much as anyone else's. But no more.
3> Get involved. Actually work with campaigns, meet with candidates, push for change. This is a lot of work for often very little gain.
4> Rebel. By which I mean literally pick up weapons, get organized with others, and start killing people until you replace the government. This is only mentioned because it is an option, even if a clearly murderous one that takes a hell of a lot to justify.
#1 is pointless. You lose what little say you had, and gain absolutely nothing in return.
#4 is violent and amoral, and only justifiable if the regime you're overthrowing is so vile it makes that amorality a step in the right direction.
That leaves #2 and #3. 3 gives you more influence, at a vastly higher amount of effort required. If you're not willing to do that, you don't have much room for complaining about a lack of change. If you won't fight for it, who should, on your behalf?
The hamster wheel is the only option that exists outside of outright violent rebellion. And yeah; I don't support or encourage violence, so I'm gonna point to the hamster wheel. That's the only way you can effect change. Is it easy? Of course not. But if you're not willing to put in the work, others who are will be the ones who direct the nation.
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2020-09-30, 06:33 PM #15385The Unstoppable Force
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Probably bought out by Soros. Originally Posted by Rasulis
Or something like that.
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andrew neil is fucking brilliant, alot of people hate him because hes bloody ruthless with every one, he dosn't fuck about and just goes in there, but still in a polite way that just makes people look like toss pots when they blow up at him. Originally Posted by Felya
i like the last one near the end where andrew says "well facts do matter though i appreciate that in america maybe not as much as they used to"Last edited by Monster Hunter; 2020-09-30 at 06:46 PM.
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I have short-term memory problem due to a motor cycle accident many years ago. Which I used conveniently to avoid doing stuffs for my wife that I did not want to do. Originally Posted by Zan15
Anyway, I can't remember a single thing that Trump said last night. Meanwhile I can recall a whole bunch of lines from Biden - "Will you shut up man," "Putin's puppy," "clown,", "liar," etc.
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2020-09-30, 06:43 PM #15388The Lightbringer
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The guy was physically upset at the question, he writhed about and stammered out some insane word salad to a single answer question. There is no possible way a rational person would see that and then believe some half baked what he meant was shit later. These people are incorrigible. Originally Posted by Endus
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2020-09-30, 06:45 PM #15389Legendary!
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It is worth noting that poll is entirely before the debate. So that has nothing to do with it. I have no idea what caused a swing like that in their methodology, I seriously doubt 7% of the country changed their mind in a couple days. Originally Posted by Zan15
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2020-09-30, 06:47 PM #15390Moderator
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I'm wondering if Wolf Blitzer is right and this may be the ONLY debate.
Because if the debate committee decides to cut mics when it's not a candidates turn to speak and the Trump campaign refuses to agree to those rules well...there won't be another debate.
And I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing, because the American people weren't served by last night's debate. It simply reminded us that Trump is Trump and Biden is Biden, as they both have been the whole campaign. Looking at it compared to the 2008/2012 debates is startling.
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Trump can’t back out... its political suicide... Originally Posted by Edge-
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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2020-09-30, 06:49 PM #15392Over 9000!
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Democratic voters are definitely motivated. ActBlue raised 36M since the start of the debate and 420M since Ginsburg passing. Not a peep from Trump's campaign and WinRed. Which could only mean one thing.
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I was thinking the same, but chose to revel in the joy instead. Originally Posted by Thekri
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
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2020-09-30, 06:50 PM #15394Immortal
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If we see Biden taking (again) a 12 point lead, its pretty much over for Trump. Originally Posted by Zan15
Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker
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2020-09-30, 06:50 PM #15395Over 9000!
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Chaotic Trump-Biden Contest Prompts Changes to Presidential Debate Format
Trump may actually have to debate next time.
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2020-09-30, 06:51 PM #15396The Lightbringer
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His numbers are literally stagnant and they can run their BS censorship of the rught headlines. If he backed out because they don't allow open mics it wouldn't make a dent in anything. He didn't condemn white supremacy, it doesn't get any worse than that. Originally Posted by Felya
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They're having to invest money in "safe" states like Texas. Originally Posted by Rasulis
If it weren't for Money Laundering agencies like the NRA funneling them money, they'd all be dead broke.
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I'm not sure he can actually legally flee to Russia. He's got top secret clearance, that'd be a defection of such levels never seen before. And the USSS wouldn't follow him there.....he'd be a target of all sorts of cointel operations. Originally Posted by TigTone
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It isn't over until January 21st. And maybe not then. 2020 hasn't hit rock bottom yet, we have a long way to go. Originally Posted by Thepersona
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The man owes a lot of money to someone, idk where he would run too. Originally Posted by eschatological
