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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    But... we literally have a solar and wind solution that is going to waste... Why build nuclear infrastructure, if we already have a solution that is not being used.
    Because wind and solar are actually more inefficient and less climate friendly than nuclear. Mostly in the materials needed to capture those types of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    But... we literally have a solar and wind solution that is going to waste... Why build nuclear infrastructure, if we already have a solution that is not being used.
    Because, AFAIK is not very efficent, and requires extensive use of batteries (and those things are hella harmful to the enviroment). Nuclear is neat, with current tech, and with the upcoming tech of thorium/fusion reactors, we may have enough energy for centuries. Until we need black hole generators, or a dyson swarm, we're set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Because wind and solar are actually more inefficient and less climate friendly than nuclear. Mostly in the materials needed to capture those types of power.
    Moreover, one of the crucial aspects of an energy revolution is diversification - being able to source power from a variety of sources makes the system significantly more resilient and less vulnerable to supply shocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Because, AFAIK is not very efficent, and requires extensive use of batteries (and those things are hella harmful to the enviroment). Nuclear is neat, with current tech, and with the upcoming tech of thorium/fusion reactors, we may have enough energy for centuries. Until we need black hole generators, or a dyson swarm, we're set.
    Moreover, it's ignoring that current energy demands are offset by the fact transportation is mostly reliant on a hard fuel source - versus the emergent economy where transportation increasingly looks like it'll be mostly electric, with some hydrogen.
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  5. #15445
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    But... we literally have a solar and wind solution that is going to waste... Why build nuclear infrastructure, if we already have a solution that is not being used.
    The problem with solar, at least right now, is the technology isn't pitch perfect, and a lot of panels are dying and now going to be amassing into landfills, and they contain toxic materials like lead that can leach out as they break down which creates whole new environmental hazards.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/t...imes&smtyp=cur

    Apparently all it takes to get the conservative media machine to go into overdrive is a tweet from some radio personality without any evidence backing it up.

    Man, they're desperate to lay the groundwork for Trump to spend the night incapable of speaking to any actual policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/t...imes&smtyp=cur

    Apparently all it takes to get the conservative media machine to go into overdrive is a tweet from some radio personality without any evidence backing it up.

    Man, they're desperate to lay the groundwork for Trump to spend the night incapable of speaking to any actual policies.
    Didn't they try this shit with Hillary in 2016?
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  8. #15448
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Moreover, it's ignoring that current energy demands are offset by the fact transportation is mostly reliant on a hard fuel source - versus the emergent economy where transportation increasingly looks like it'll be mostly electric, with some hydrogen.
    Yup. The only problematic thing is that we still need fossil fuels for air travel (as we could retrofit almost every big container ship with small nuclear reactors) and small maritime travel. If we get Hydrogen combustion engines, we're set, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Didn't they try this shit with Hillary in 2016?
    Thing is, 4 years do change people. And Biden is still 6-10 points ahead of Trump. Something Hillary never achieved
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Because wind and solar are actually more inefficient and less climate friendly than nuclear. Mostly in the materials needed to capture those types of power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Because, AFAIK is not very efficent, and requires extensive use of batteries (and those things are hella harmful to the enviroment). Nuclear is neat, with current tech, and with the upcoming tech of thorium/fusion reactors, we may have enough energy for centuries. Until we need black hole generators, or a dyson swarm, we're set.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Because Battery technology isn't robust enough to fill the on demand spikes that happen, plus all nuclear events like you mentioned including the most recent were all from Generation one plants. Nuclear tech has come a long way since then and if we serious about talking climate change and its the threat scientist say it is we shouldn't rule out things that could vastly reduce the carbon foot print. Solar and Wind also has its own environmental impacts, so I support an all above approach to reducing as much as possible.
    We have a nuclear power plant as well, but are generating more hydro and rentable, than the nuclear.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._in_Washington
    Washington's electrical energy generation mix in 2020 was 5% natural gas, 80% hydroelectric, 8% renewables, and 7% nuclear. The state has 28% of the nation's hydroelectric generation, and the nation's largest capacity power station at Grand Coulee Dam. 60% of Washington households use electricity as their primary heating fuel, unlike most households in other U.S. states that typically utilize natural gas.
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  10. #15450
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    We have a nuclear power plant as well, but are generating more hydro and rentable, than the nuclear.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._in_Washington


    I don’t see how what I’m saying isn’t possible...
    As edge said, It's doable, but Nuclear is the necessary bridge (and to provide with nuclear reactors for container ships and tanks) in the short term, as we have 15-20 years to litteraly change 100% of humanity energy production to be not reliant on fossil fuels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Yup. The only problematic thing is that we still need fossil fuels for air travel (as we could retrofit almost every big container ship with small nuclear reactors) and small maritime travel. If we get Hydrogen combustion engines, we're set, though
    The fortunate thing about fossil fuels is that they can be easily be replaced by biofuels (it's all hydrocarbons in the end); it's entirely possible to synthesise jet fuel from corn ethanol, it's just not as cheap as processing from crude in the current regulatory environment.
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    2020 Who's afraid of early voting? Answer; fascist repubs, they hate voting in general.

    2020 Who's enthusiastic to vote?

    Democrats are crushing Republicans in the mail vote in key early states: NC, IA, ME, PA and FL, and lots of GOP folks are worried not just about the WH but Senate seats too.

    Early surge of Democratic mail voting sparks worry inside GOP
    And it's not just Democrats REQUESTING ballots at higher rates. It's Democrats RETURNING ballots at higher rates as well.

    - More registered Democrats have requested mail ballots
    - Democrats have nearly twice the ballot return rate

    Welcome to GEN-OT, have a seat, we'll introduce you to the 23-year-old who will lecture you about how Democrats didn't try hard enough to improve the ACA, and once that's all set up you'll be assigned a socialist who supported Ron Paul up to 2015 to harass you forever.
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  13. #15453
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The fortunate thing about fossil fuels is that they can be easily be replaced by biofuels (it's all hydrocarbons in the end); it's entirely possible to synthesise jet fuel from corn ethanol, it's just not as cheap as processing from crude in the current regulatory environment.
    Oh, that's neat, but i was talking about the carbon footprint of said fuel. With hydrogen as a fuel, the only byproduct is water vapor and heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    We have a nuclear power plant as well, but are generating more hydro and rentable, than the nuclear.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._in_Washington


    I don’t see how what I’m saying isn’t possible...
    Washington does have a unique set of circumstances with their hydroelectric power generation. You'll note in your own information, that Dam produces 28% of the nation's hydroelectric power, and is the largest of it's kind in the U.S.

    So to fulfill the entirety of the nation's power needs, hydroelectric on it's own won't work. The other forms of green energy have their own issues with either consistency or storage. Nuclear solves those short term problems, and as others have said, could actually be the future of all the world's power generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Washington does have a unique set of circumstances with their hydroelectric power generation. You'll note in your own information, that Dam produces 28% of the nation's hydroelectric power, and is the largest of it's kind in the U.S.

    So to fulfill the entirety of the nation's power needs, hydroelectric on it's own won't work. The other forms of green energy have their own issues with either consistency or storage. Nuclear solves those short term problems, and as others have said, could actually be the future of all the world's power generation.
    Until we get a dyson swarm/black hole energy/anti-matter reactors, the best thing is nuclear fusion reactors or nuclear fission, thorium ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Washington does have a unique set of circumstances with their hydroelectric power generation. You'll note in your own information, that Dam produces 28% of the nation's hydroelectric power, and is the largest of it's kind in the U.S.

    So to fulfill the entirety of the nation's power needs, hydroelectric on it's own won't work. The other forms of green energy have their own issues with either consistency or storage. Nuclear solves those short term problems, and as others have said, could actually be the future of all the world's power generation.
    I think wind will always be a thing, especially for under developed area's. Just read an article that there is a 1000 year old windmill that a small town in iran still uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Until we get a dyson swarm/black hole energy/anti-matter reactors, the best thing is nuclear fusion reactors or nuclear fission, thorium ones.
    Kardashev Scale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yup. We need nuclear to jump to a type 1 civilization.

    Edit: And now, we're T-minus 5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Yup. We need nuclear to jump to a type 1 civilization.

    Edit: And now, we're T-minus 5
    ... or, the sun... but, we are way off topic and I feel like we are not so far apart that it justifies continuing.

    Bring on the debates!!!!

    Edit: Got picture and web going!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    ... or, the sun... but, we are way off topic and I feel like we are not so far apart that it justifies continuing.

    Bring on the debates!!!!

    Edit: Got picture and web going!
    Is it me or the audio is not working? i cant hear a thing on the C-SPAN channel
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