Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

Alt right Fearmongering:



In case people don’t understand. Blood donation isn’t at risk from other blood donors. This is just an example... also, all blood is tested. This is pure, baseless and illogical fear mongering... nothing has changed...



I leave them speechless... no receipts to be found... Oh, but their little hands try so hard. lol

You know the Trumpsters are getting desperate,when they have to resort to calling the First Amendment racist.

[Theodarzna]

Welp, it appears a neighbor has come forward to also corroborate the Tara Reade story, saying affirmatively that this was discussed in the 90's. I mean, Christine Blaisy Ford was practically sainted and we were told that to not believe her story; or at least rescind a job promotion from someone over that story was the height of anti-woman sexist super misogyny. This now has more corroborating evidence than Ford did, yet nobody is calling for Biden to not be the nominee. Which the convention hasn't happened yet, the party could replace him.

This story is kinda interesting in so far as, what makes it credible versus what gives me doubts.

Obviously the big doubts are the amount of time she didn't act, I mean Biden has been in public life for ages and when he was VP this story wasn't whispered about at all. Why now is an interesting question. But I am told that asking that question is hyper sexist and I'm a self-hating woman for doing so when it was Ford.

What kind of gives her story credibility is the corroborations from the 90's like the Larry King call in. Plus she didn't do the easy thing and just run to Trump. She even said she doesn't want to do that, and Broderick did go that route to get her story out. So she isn't seemingly allying herself with some partisan camp. She definitely isn't taking this to the obvious sources that would run with this so it doesn't seem like she is intending to make this partisan.

[Draco-Onis]

Welp, it appears a neighbor has come forward to also corroborate the Tara Reade story, saying affirmatively that this was discussed in the 90's. I mean, Christine Blaisy Ford was practically sainted and we were told that to not believe her story; or at least rescind a job promotion from someone over that story was the height of anti-woman sexist super misogyny. This now has more corroborating evidence than Ford did, yet nobody is calling for Biden to not be the nominee. Which the convention hasn't happened yet, the party could replace him.

This story is kinda interesting in so far as, what makes it credible versus what gives me doubts.

Obviously the big doubts are the amount of time she didn't act, I mean Biden has been in public life for ages and when he was VP this story wasn't whispered about at all. Why now is an interesting question. But I am told that asking that question is hyper sexist and I'm a self-hating woman for doing so when it was Ford.

What kind of gives her story credibility is the corroborations from the 90's like the Larry King call in. Plus she didn't do the easy thing and just run to Trump. She even said she doesn't want to do that, and Broderick did go that route to get her story out. So she isn't seemingly allying herself with some partisan camp. She definitely isn't taking this to the obvious sources that would run with this so it doesn't seem like she is intending to make this partisan.

I am still confused as to why you aren't defending Biden like you did Kavanugh.

[NED funded]

I am still confused as to why you aren't defending Biden like you did Kavanugh.

Because these people could not care less about what happened to Tara Reade. They only care about this story to the extent they can:

a) Say Biden is a rapist and justify their vote for Trump or green party

b) Point to supposed liberal hypocrisy or something like that

Its very ghoul like behavior if you ask me.

[Edge-]

I am still confused as to why you aren't defending Biden like you did Kavanugh.

Biden isn't up for a lifetime appointment and Kavanaugh was? I dunno, I think both accusers have some credible evidence behind their claims and both should be (should have been in Ford's case) fully investigated to see if there is additional evidence and weight to their claims. I've got no problems with that for Biden, just as I didn't for Kavanaugh.

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

[Theodarzna]

I am still confused as to why you aren't defending Biden like you did Kavanugh.

I'm not really attacking Biden, I'm more questioning the legitimacy of the #MeToo types and the people who went to bat during the Ford hearings. If anything that has been the thrust of my whole point with the Tara Reade story. A lot of the media, and a lot of posters here, and professional feminist activists were ready to canonize the Ford story even though it had now less evidence than Reade, and yet now with Reade they are ready to take the knives out and allege its all a foreign psyop, pick apart her personal life, question her timing or claim its a politically partisan attack from evil Bernie Bros or whatever.

I'd say the main qualitative difference between Reade and Ford is that unlike Ford, Reade didn't take the easy route and run to the direct partisan enemy of the person being accused in order to gather a coterie of defenders. Reade didn't run to the Trump campaign, which is at least interesting.

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Biden isn't up for a lifetime appointment and Kavanaugh was? I dunno, I think both accusers have some credible evidence behind their claims and both should be (should have been in Ford's case) fully investigated to see if there is additional evidence and weight to their claims. I've got no problems with that for Biden, just as I didn't for Kavanaugh.

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

I'd say they should pick Gavin Newsom, the unsung hero of the Coronavirus Crisis.

[NED funded]

Biden isn't up for a lifetime appointment and Kavanaugh was? I dunno, I think both accusers have some credible evidence behind their claims and both should be (should have been in Ford's case) fully investigated to see if there is additional evidence and weight to their claims. I've got no problems with that for Biden, just as I didn't for Kavanaugh.

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

Her police report was moved to inactive status so there is hardly going to be anything that will clarify the matters. Its just going to be in the air, it could've happened it could have not.

[Theodarzna]

Because these people could not care less about what happened to Tara Reade. They only care about this story to the extent they can:

a) Say Biden is a rapist and justify their vote for Trump or green party

b) Point to supposed liberal hypocrisy or something like that

Its very ghoul like behavior if you ask me.

I am personally shocked you haven't used the Coronavirus to advocate gutting teacher pay and stripping teachers of union protections.

But on another note, why would I need that pretext to justify not voting for Biden? He is a Neo-Liberal? His policies and decision to pay Larry Summers to be his economics advisor makes him entirely repugnant and unworthy of anyone's vote.

And yes, the hypocrisy is fun to point out. But its less hypocrisy and more mocking blatant partisanship.

[Deadite]

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

I think Bernie just suspended his. Wouldn't be surprised is a few of them did. Leave enough wiggle room to pop back in.

[Edge-]

I'd say they should pick Gavin Newsom, the unsung hero of the Coronavirus Crisis.

I'm sure you would, knowing that a former SF mayor and governor of the most liberal state in the country would likely stand a poor chance of beating Trump off the backs of the "UNHINGED SOCIALIST CALIFORNIA COMMUNIST SATAN WORSHIPER!" attacks.

I like Newsom. My recollection of his days as SF mayor are largely positive (hardly perfect), and he's been a good governor so far. But this isn't really a realistic suggestion.

[cubby]

Biden isn't up for a lifetime appointment and Kavanaugh was? I dunno, I think both accusers have some credible evidence behind their claims and both should be (should have been in Ford's case) fully investigated to see if there is additional evidence and weight to their claims. I've got no problems with that for Biden, just as I didn't for Kavanaugh.

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

There is an interesting train of thought going on now stating that whatever is coming up re Biden should be categorically ignored. The Trump Team Deplorable not only ignored it, they flaunted it - pushing Kavanaugh and Trump knowing they had those allegations against them.

I want to emphasize one point before continuing. I don't think allegations like these should be ignored. But they are by one side, and if we don't start playing by their rules, we will lose. And with that loss, we lose the country. I think I know what you're going to say to this - not being presumptive or arrogant (at least not trying to be) - and that is that if we have to do that, ignore these kind of allegations, then we're already lost. I honestly don't know what to say to that - if you make that argument - except that we have to do something to try and save the country. I know the means don't justify the ends. But it's this or The Handmaid's Tale.

The fact that the Democrats for so long have ignore the tossing-out of the playbook by the GOP has cost this country dearly - in nearly every category. Health, Social Services, Jobs - everything is worse than it was four years ago. We have to save it.

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I'm sure you would, knowing that a former SF mayor and governor of the most liberal state in the country would likely stand a poor chance of beating Trump off the backs of the "UNHINGED SOCIALIST CALIFORNIA COMMUNIST SATAN WORSHIPER!" attacks.

I like Newsom. My recollection of his days as SF mayor are largely positive (hardly perfect), and he's been a good governor so far. But this isn't really a realistic suggestion.

There isn't a realistic suggestion for replacing Biden. And the GOP knows this. Any kind of "replacement" talk or action will only cause chaos and disorder in the DNC. Unfortunately, the allegations against Biden have to be ignored. And if they are brought up directly, the DNC can answer with something akin to "we'll give them the same consideration your party did".

Insofar as literally replacing the candidate - it's still possible now. The Convention isn't until August, and that's when it's official. So the Democrats could choose someone else - and it would more than likely be Sanders. Which is exactly what the GOP wants.

[breadisfunny]

Biden isn't up for a lifetime appointment and Kavanaugh was? I dunno, I think both accusers have some credible evidence behind their claims and both should be (should have been in Ford's case) fully investigated to see if there is additional evidence and weight to their claims. I've got no problems with that for Biden, just as I didn't for Kavanaugh.

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

in that case wouldn't it go to whoever gets the most delegate votes when they meet up to select a new nominee?

[Draco-Onis]

Biden isn't up for a lifetime appointment and Kavanaugh was? I dunno, I think both accusers have some credible evidence behind their claims and both should be (should have been in Ford's case) fully investigated to see if there is additional evidence and weight to their claims. I've got no problems with that for Biden, just as I didn't for Kavanaugh.

If there's merit to it, Biden can withdraw and Democrats can figure out where to go from there, though I'm not sure what the process would be to replace a nominee after everyone else has ended their campaigns. Maybe the delegates for the respective campaigns pick at the convention?

After Kavanaugh it's impossible to investigate Biden and not have that colored with partisan lenses, this administration already got impeached trying to slander Biden no one would take them seriously. All and all I don't think anyone will pay any mind to her accusations the country has already shown they don't care about sexual assault.

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I'm not really attacking Biden, I'm more questioning the legitimacy of the #MeToo types and the people who went to bat during the Ford hearings. If anything that has been the thrust of my whole point with the Tara Reade story. A lot of the media, and a lot of posters here, and professional feminist activists were ready to canonize the Ford story even though it had now less evidence than Reade, and yet now with Reade they are ready to take the knives out and allege its all a foreign psyop, pick apart her personal life, question her timing or claim its a politically partisan attack from evil Bernie Bros or whatever.

I'd say the main qualitative difference between Reade and Ford is that unlike Ford, Reade didn't take the easy route and run to the direct partisan enemy of the person being accused in order to gather a coterie of defenders. Reade didn't run to the Trump campaign, which is at least interesting.

Who should have Ford run to? I find that theory a bit nuts she didn't have many avenues unless you wanted her to just go to the press. Also my point was you aren't vehemently defending Biden like you did Kavanaugh, if you are going to attack others for inconsistencies at least hold yourself to the same standards.

[Felya]

I am still confused as to why you aren't defending Biden like you did Kavanugh.

Just to be clear, her “team” won over Kavanaugh... we sacrificed giving a shit about this, so boys are not afraid to hire women, over assumed sexism. Now we need to change back, even though Trump is still Biden’s opponent. It’s now both, boys will be boys in their locker room talk and get that abuser Biden.

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After Kavanaugh it's impossible to investigate Biden and not have that colored with partisan lenses, this administration already got impeached trying to slander Biden no one would take them seriously. All and all I don't think anyone will pay any mind to her accusations the country has already shown they don't care about sexual assault.

This is what I meant to say, but better than what I did say. lol

[Theodarzna]

I'm sure you would, knowing that a former SF mayor and governor of the most liberal state in the country would likely stand a poor chance of beating Trump off the backs of the "UNHINGED SOCIALIST CALIFORNIA COMMUNIST SATAN WORSHIPER!" attacks.

[snip]

I am very sorry I in a non-partisan way said something positive about a governor, I won't ever sing the praises of Newsom again.

[cubby]

After Kavanaugh it's impossible to investigate Biden and not have that colored with partisan lenses, this administration already got impeached trying to slander Biden no one would take them seriously. All and all I don't think anyone will pay any mind to her accusations the country has already shown they don't care about sexual assault.

Well said - better than I did. We are at a point in the United States where we are abandoning our principles, each and every day, and unfortunately the only way to get them back is to continue to abandon them, until we can stop.

[Theodarzna]

Who should have Ford run to? I find that theory a bit nuts she didn't have many avenues unless you wanted her to just go to the press. Also my point was you aren't vehemently defending Biden like you did Kavanaugh, if you are going to attack others for inconsistencies at least hold yourself to the same standards.

Not really litigating it for Ford, she really couldn't run through that minefield. But if its okay to suggest that Reade is a partisan psyop, than Ford was fair game and some people owe a lot of apologies.

[Machismo]

Not really litigating it for Ford, she really couldn't run through that minefield. But if its okay to suggest that Reade is a partisan psyop, than Ford was fair game and some people owe a lot of apologies.

You mean literally what you did?

[TexasRules]

You really think Donald trump wants to get into it about accusations and inappropriate behavior towards women?

I mean, I get it, trump’s supporters won’t care about his improprieties because they view groping women, sleeping with hookers and bragging about their sex lives as manly-man alpha things whilst democratic supporters have moral standards, but... I don’t think trump wants to be throwing stones in that gaudy glass house of his.

I’m of the staunch opinion that Donald trump can hold the moral high ground on absolutely zero things, his relations towards women chief among them.

The thing about this board and all of this hypocritical bullshit is that it exists in an echo chamber. Everything Trump has done has been on display for years. Comparing Biden to Trump doesn't work. People already know Trump's skeletons and voted for him anyways. You guys constantly want to compare people to what Trump did before he got elected and none of that matters to voters....they already know. But you seem to think it matters, so why are you not pushing the Biden stuff? Democratic hypocrisy.

Biden is part of the democratic accusatory party. Look how they bludgeoned with Ford, but won't even cover Reade's story. It's hypocrisy that they do not care about. But will the voters care? When you drag people through metoo timesup whatever bs you want to call it and tell them they have to believe and have to be upset, then turn right around and ignore another woman accusing ....will voters not care about the hypocrisy?

But you guys can keep bringing up all the things Trump did, because it makes you feel special and warm and you think it helps, but it flatly does not matter, people already know about it.

[Felya]

But you guys can keep bringing up all the things Trump did, because it makes you feel special and warm and you think it helps, but it flatly does not matter, people already know about it.

Dude... him musing about injecting surface cleaner, was just a couple of days ago. The rallies that he doesn’t remember, were in March. Him defunding US pandemic response, was in 2018. His debt to China’s government bank, is due 2022. Are you sure about the above?