Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Thekri]

Hey Thekri, do you think Trump should put together a commission to investigate voter fraud?

And also, how do you feel about leading questions?

Well what Trump learned from that is that conspiracy theories work better if you don't actually investigate them. It is exactly why there have been 0 investigations in "Spygate", or anything to do with Hillary Clinton. Vast amounts of undefined voter fraud really only works if you don't look at voting hard enough to notice that it isn't there.

If I tell you there is a monster under your bed, it doesn't behoove me encourage you to look under your bed.

[Thepersona]

Thing is no one helps any one for free,

China wants global supremacy, yes you are right.

But there is profit to make in riding the coat tails,

Chile isn't gonna be the #1 world super power

But they can be alot richer and better off if they buddy up to China for investment, and in exchange China knows that Chile will have to have there back in the UN.

Not a great thing just Chile alone, but China is at this point can call upon large chunks of Africa and South America as friends in the UN. And by China lifting these nations up they make markets to sell Chinese goods to instead of america.

This is chinas belt and road strategy.

I'd love to have chinese R&D on green energy and nuclear energy here. And to have all of the BYD electric buses and taxis they can give to us.

[Monster Hunter]

Most Presidential debates in my lifetime have been disgraces. This one just didn't go the way one side planned.

As a brit I found the language and the tactics used in this debate of an exceptional level of crass even by American debate standards, this was above and beyond.

I say as a brit because I might be more sensitive, but the level of personal attack was just disgusting, I would not have for a moment blamed Biden if he had struck trump on that stage.

[Shadowferal]

Genuinely interested in profiting from other countries.

This is a bit of a digression, But I don’t for a second believe that China has anything but its own financial and geopolitical interests in mind when it “helps” other countries..

Off-topic but...is China an oligarchy?
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In other news; another relif bill getting voted on
Before last night I would have said it's doa. But I'm seeing signs of life, as in "anything to distract..."

[eschatological]

Just wait until the inevitable What He Meant Was. I suspect the WH PR team is working on the way to suggest Trump meant "stand down" while also saying Antifa eats babies.

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Will Pence's wife be there? It could be one-sided.

Mother only needs to be present if Father is alone with a single woman. Kamala is luckily married, so her harlot ways will be tempered by her husband, who is head of her household.

[Thekri]

As a brit I found the language and the tactics used in this debate of an exceptional level of crass even by American debate standards, this was above and beyond.

As an American I had the same feeling. The display last night isn't a cultural thing, it is just the ramblings of an unhinged man. It isn't like Americans converse like this at our work places, this is just a result of a severe dysfunction. You normally only see conversations of this timber in domestic abuse cases, or shouted at each other in parking lots at 3 am.

[Monster Hunter]

I'd love to have chinese R&D on green energy and nuclear energy here. And to have all of the BYD electric buses and taxis they can give to us.

We had that but China pulled out because we put our foot down over hong Kong and opened up a citizenship pass for several million Hong Kong citizens.

[Thekri]

Mother only needs to be present if Father is alone with a single woman. Kamala is luckily married, so her harlot ways will be tempered by her husband, who is head of her household.

According to certain conservative Reddit's, Kamala hasn't been very tempered. Pence needs to be careful not to get seduced on live TV!

Side note, apparently we are getting a new Borat movie. Title is apparently "Borat: Gift of Pornographic Monkey to Vice Premiere Mikhael Pence to Make Benefit Recently Diminished Nation of Kazakhstan". Unfortunately, this being 2020, it is unclear if this is a parody or an documentary. Sacha Baron Cohen does both, so we will have to wait and see which one this is, because the title is entirely plausible in this timeline.

[Monster Hunter]

As an American I had the same feeling. The display last night isn't a cultural thing, it is just the ramblings of an unhinged man. It isn't like Americans converse like this at our work places, this is just a result of a severe dysfunction. You normally only see conversations of this timber in domestic abuse cases, or shouted at each other in parking lots at 3 am.

It wasn't a debate at all, it was something I'd usually see in pub when a drunk man is trying to pick a physical fight.

Its basic honour, you don't drag family into things and trump went there.

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Off-topic but...is China an oligarchy?
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In other news; another relif bill getting voted on
Before last night I would have said it's doa. But I'm seeing signs of life, as in "anything to distract..."

There is a fair argument to say it is, on some level any way, the super rich user class of China are also high up party men so in a round about way it is an oligarchy or very much like one.

[Valkyrst]

This is savage.



Lincoln Project are going to milk every debate at this juncture.



The last one is rather funny.

[Draco-Onis]

According to certain conservative Reddit's, Kamala hasn't been very tempered. Pence needs to be careful not to get seduced on live TV!

Side note, apparently we are getting a new Borat movie. Title is apparently "Borat: Gift of Pornographic Monkey to Vice Premiere Mikhael Pence to Make Benefit Recently Diminished Nation of Kazakhstan". Unfortunately, this being 2020, it is unclear if this is a parody or an documentary. Sacha Baron Cohen does both, so we will have to wait and see which one this is, because the title is entirely plausible in this timeline.

You know there's a high chance that he got Mike Pence on the phone or even interviewed him in disguise or heck even Trump the way he seem to want to talk to anyone on the phone.

[Vegas82]

Should it be though? Why is it the only two choices? Media portrayal? Education? Or just down to simple policies? Amount of money each party has?

Reality? There aren’t any third party candidates who I would prefer over Biden. The third parties in 2016 were an actual joke. Build on the local level, followed by the state level, and then the national level. Trying to convince people to vote for morons just because “there should be more than two options” does as much damage as voting for Trump right now.

[Omega10]

Could you imagine 4 years ago americas biggest allies in Europe condemning America for an action against an Iranian general?

Because that happend this year.

I think Americans forget a bit that....trump does actually represent you as a nation on the world stage, you are a democracy as such as much as you hate him you are also held partly accountable for his actions as your leader.

American news might read "trump assassinated Iranian general on neutral Iraq soil"

But world new does not pay heed to the internal fractures of america, it reads "america assassinated Iranian general on neutral Iraq soil"

Thats why you need to be careful who you put in charge.

And the US chose NOT to impeach him earlier. And we are a little more than a month away from the election and he has a decent shot winning reelection.

So yeah, I can see how the rest of the world would view it exactly that way.

[TigTone]

If trump does lose election and flees to Russia. I have a feeling he will “accidentally fall” out of a window or abruptly get “ill” and die.

[Monster Hunter]

Should it be though? Why is it the only two choices? Media portrayal? Education? Or just down to simple policies? Amount of money each party has?

It shouldn't be, it not what your founding farthers intended, its not how a democracy should be at all, and its because of money and building political monopoly on power and on media representation.

But thats hownit is and It won't change between now and November.

this is how a democracy should look

[Edge-]

If trump does lose election and flees to Russia. I have a feeling he will “accidentally fall” out of a window or abruptly get “ill” and die.

Hell no. Snowden is still alive and kicking because he's useful to Russia. Trump, even if he lost, would still have huge use to Russia for continued disruption operations.

[Breccia]

If trump does lose election and flees to Russia. I have a feeling he will “accidentally fall” out of a window or abruptly get “ill” and die.

Trump would have to be suicidal to hide in Russia. If he's working with Putin, he'll find Putin awards loyalty like Trump does. If he's not working with Russia, fleeing won't help.

[Rasulis]

Biden's campaign recieved 3.8 million in donations within the first hour of the debate.

https://store.joebiden.com/will-you-...black-t-shirt/

Biden is already selling shirts.

If small donors donation is a measure of enthusiasm, Democratic voters are way more enthusiastic than GOP voters.

Biden raised that 3.8M through ActBlue. That does not include direct donations to his campaign. ActBlue raised $8 million between 9 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET, and 25M by 9:30 a.m. ET. That is on top of the 300M that they raised since Ginsburg passing on November 18.

This is a repeat of 2018. Except on a much larger scale. Trump did not do any down ballot GOP candidates any favor with his performance last night.

[Breccia]

He’s told them to stand back. This president has surged federal resources when violent crime warrants it in cities. He’s leading. He doesn’t need any sort of vigilantism, That’s never what we’ve called for. What we’ve called for is Democrat mayors and Democrat governors to call up the resources we’re prepared to make available.

So predictable. "What He Meant Was, and the Democrats--"

[Monster Hunter]

And the US chose NOT to impeach him earlier. And we are a little more than a month away from the election and he has a decent shot winning reelection.

So yeah, I can see how the rest of the world would view it exactly that way.

well your leader does only have an 18% positive aproval rating
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...e/Donald_Trump

but dont worry it goes up to a woping 19% with our boomers

and heres the peoples view of america in graphs from pew.


basicly the number of people pro american has halved since 2000

those up ticks... thats obama.

that cliff edge....thats trump.

confidence in presidents graph for other nations



europeans trust trump less than bojo, putin or xi