Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Draco-Onis]

Again, you ignore context and meaning. I am skeptical of a lot of rape claims, I never stated my stance is now to Believe all Claims, I am asking why people who were frothing at the mouth to believe every accusation essentially sound like National Review opinion columnists from the Ford era.

Me pointing out my statements about Trump likely diddling under aged prostitutes on Epstein Island is to show that I am, unlike most people posting in this thread, am not a partisan simply defending a party or individual. In fact it is hilarious people have concocted that its all a conspiracy by me, a psyop here to shake your faith in the party and brake your resolute dedication and resolve for the Party.

People who without a question believe that Bernie Sanders told Warren "Yeah broads can't be president, there ain't no Kitchen the oval office toots" and that Kavanaugh for sure raped Christine Blaisy Ford, suddenly think that rape allegations are hoaxes from Moscow, are very keen to look at the deeper details and pick stories apart when those same people said anyone doing that during the Ford hearings were basically an enemy of womankind.

I don't think you have read anything on this thread most of the posters here are stating that Biden is the lesser evil by a mile. There's no conspiracy on you just your own history of defending the right and attacking anything liberal.

Even if the allegations are true Biden still is better than Trump. The only people who can afford not to vote Democrat this cycle are the blind loyalist. There are those of us with friends and family who are legal immigrants who can't afford to have 4 more years of racist douchebagery.

[Felya]

I don't think you have read anything on this thread most of the posters here are stating that Biden is the lesser evil by a mile. There's no conspiracy on you just your own history of defending the right and attacking anything liberal.

Even if the allegations are true Biden still is better than Trump. The only people who can afford not to vote Democrat this cycle are the blind loyalist. There are those of us with friends and family who are legal immigrants who can't afford to have 4 more years of racist douchebagery.

Theo immigrated from Britain... Hard to believe with the rhetoric, ey?

[TACOshake]

Theo immigrated from Britain... Hard to believe with the rhetoric, ey?

Highly probable that bit is plagiarism as well 2015 ... that's when Milo was a thing., could be trying to lean in on his bit.

For years we had an alt-right troll here from Alabama trying to convince everyone they were Swedish.


Honestly, they all sound like interchangable Fox News addicts from Orange County.

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Did you see the Biden vs Trump numbers in the latest MSN poll? Those southern states...

WI: 55% Biden, 38% Trump
MI: 52% Biden, 38% Trump
TX: 50% Biden, 42% Trump
MT: 50% Biden, 42% Trump
AZ: 49% Biden, 43% Trump
LA: 48% Biden, 44% Trump
MS: 46% Biden, 46% Trump
SC: 46% Biden, 46% Trump

[Felya]

Did you see the Biden vs Trump numbers in the latest MSN poll? Those southern states...

WI: 55% Biden, 38% Trump
MI: 52% Biden, 38% Trump
TX: 50% Biden, 42% Trump
MT: 50% Biden, 42% Trump
AZ: 49% Biden, 43% Trump
LA: 48% Biden, 44% Trump
MS: 46% Biden, 46% Trump
SC: 46% Biden, 46% Trump

Totally subjective... but, Texas... 8 point spread to Biden? I don’t know if I trust that...

[TACOshake]

Totally subjective... but, Texas... 8 point spread to Biden? I don’t know if I trust that...

Can 1.6 million likes be wrong?

[Felya]

Can 1.6 million likes be wrong?

You know why Biden is better than Trump... because he doesn’t want to win by having his opponent base die. I don’t think I can say the same for Trump... just a very basic, simple reason.

Edit: You got to admit, we should have expected something like drinking bleach, to be the back breaker for Trump support. If it was a betting option in 2016, you would at least consider it.

[Thepersona]

Totally subjective... but, Texas... 8 point spread to Biden? I don’t know if I trust that...

Considering that the oil related jobs in texas are getting pummeled by this, and the non-existent policies done by the executive are not helping... it's plausible that texas got fed up.

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Highly probable that bit is plagiarism as well 2015 ... that's when Milo was a thing., could be trying to lean in on his bit.

For years we had an alt-right troll here from Alabama trying to convince everyone they were Swedish.


Honestly, they all sound like interchangable Fox News addicts from Orange County.

dude, we've had an actual Russian troll trying to act as a US citizen.

[Draco-Onis]

Theo immigrated from Britain... Hard to believe with the rhetoric, ey?

She's just a living contradiction.

[Levelfive]

If this allegation becomes credible, the move is for Biden to drop out, even if it somewhat impacts our chances of beating Trump. Would much, much rather try and fail with someone like Sanders (who as far as I'm aware is the only person capable of running if something happens to Biden) than choose to vote for a rapist. You don't get back to your principles by throwing them further away, you just get further and further away from them and lose the ability to tell right from wrong.

As it stands, it's a somewhat credible story with reasonable doubt. If the story ends where it's at, anyone for whom this is the determining factor will have to decide whether the weight of evidence is heavier against Biden or Trump (hint: Trump is a fucking monster and doesn't bother to hide it). If it changes, if the story becomes worse and it's obvious that it's true, there are two problems: 1) moral - choosing to vote for someone you know is a rapist is deeply shitty even if the other choice is a worse rapist 2) practical - if it truly becomes credible then that choice will dampen voter turnout to some degree, whether it's by enough or not is an open question. If it becomes credible, the right thing to do from both directions is to change up the candidate. If nothing else putting your money where your mouth is shows people who care about things like principles that they actually matter to you, makes it easier to believe that you actually want to do right by them.

If it becomes credible, I am all for Biden dropping out, with the stipulation that Trump has to as well.

[fwc577]

If it becomes credible, I am all for Biden dropping out, with the stipulation that Trump has to as well.

If it become credible we just need to blast Trump's grab em by the pussy comments on every news station to remind people that when it comes to the matter of assaulting women, Biden isn't any worse than Trump.

[JohnBrown1917]

If it become credible we just need to blast Trump's grab em by the pussy comments on every news station to remind people that when it comes to the matter of assaulting women, Biden isn't any worse than Trump.

"Vote for the lesser rapist!" ~Democrats 2020.

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If it becomes credible, I am all for Biden dropping out, with the stipulation that Trump has to as well.

He won't. So have fun defending a rapist this cycle.

[Levelfive]

He won't. So have fun defending a rapist this cycle.

IF I think it becomes credible, they should both step aside--Trump won't, and I doubt Biden would, either.

If it become credible we just need to blast Trump's grab em by the pussy comments on every news station to remind people that when it comes to the matter of assaulting women, Biden isn't any worse than Trump.

"Alva Johonson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present.

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.

Ivana Trump, Mr Trump’s first wife, once used the word “rape” to describe an encounter with him. The accusation was made in a 1993 book following a divorce settlement between the two. She has since softened her language, saying that she didn’t mean the word in a “literal or criminal sense”.

Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on two different occasions. The first incident was the first time that they met. The incidents occurred at the 1997 Miss USA pageant event, and in Trump Tower.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.

Karen Johnson, who said Mr Trump pulled her into a tapestry by her crotch at a New Year's Eve party in the early 2000s."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9149216.html

Oh and E. Jean Carroll: In June 2019, columnist E. Jean Carroll accused President Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room the mid-1990s. https://www.businessinsider.com/wome...t-2017-12?op=1

[TACOshake]

A friend pointed out that the guy that wrote the latest Biden hit piece, Rich McHugh, was a producer for the O'Reilly Factor for a few years.
Shame this guy covered for Bill's ugly sexual predator shit for years.
Bill O’Reilly’s Sexual Harassment Settlements Are Even Uglier Than We Thought

It's always about Fox conservatives projecting their shit behavior onto Democrats. And that the worst of the Bernie Bros goebel this shit up. It's like their mostly suburban kids that grew up on Fox.

IF I think it becomes credible, they should both step aside--Trump won't, and I doubt Biden would, either.

"Alva Johonson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present.

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.

Ivana Trump, Mr Trump’s first wife, once used the word “rape” to describe an encounter with him. The accusation was made in a 1993 book following a divorce settlement between the two. She has since softened her language, saying that she didn’t mean the word in a “literal or criminal sense”.

Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the mouth on two different occasions. The first incident was the first time that they met. The incidents occurred at the 1997 Miss USA pageant event, and in Trump Tower.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.

Karen Johnson, who said Mr Trump pulled her into a tapestry by her crotch at a New Year's Eve party in the early 2000s."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9149216.html

Oh and E. Jean Carroll: In June 2019, columnist E. Jean Carroll accused President Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room the mid-1990s. https://www.businessinsider.com/wome...t-2017-12?op=1

[Felya]

He won't. So have fun defending a rapist this cycle.

Have fun convincing people that Trump is the necessary evil, in stopping a rapist... without any sense of hypocrisy. Because, that’s the outcome of not voting Biden. So, please, cut the indignation, because a necessary evil as an outcome, is worse than the lesser of two evils.

When Bill Clinton got impeached, he didn’t have an opponent for a contrast to make people attacking him on that basis, explicitly hypocritical. When Trump’s indiscretions came up, his opponent was Hillary, the woman Bill cheated on, there was no contrast in sexual assault. When Kavanaugh was being scrutinized, once again, there was no opponent with similar history. Right now, if you want to attack Biden, because there is an opponent with 3 times as many accusations as he has within last year, if your ire doesn’t go both ways... you are a hypocrite. If you try to compare voting for Biden, as if it was the same as Kavanaugh or Trump, you are full of shit, because in either of those, they didn’t have direct opponents with even a similar history... no one was ignoring their opponents or acting as hypocrites by not calling out the opponent.

In those cases, there was no one getting a free pass, if you attack just one. In this case, knowing the 2 realistic outcomes, how the hell do you focus on a guy that was just accused? So his opponent with 47 accusers, with 3 within the last year... including one from Trump’s 2016 staffer... can win? You would rather have a guy win, with a history of serial assault, with the last accusation coming from his assault less than 4 years ago? Do you think Biden or Trump is more likely to reoffend, while in office? I will repeat again... one of Trump’s accusers is his campaign staff from 2016... he hasn’t stopped...

[The Royal We]

Seeing Tammy Duckworth being floated as a VP candidate. I think that would be a slam dunk, super smart, great background, from the midwest, and an excellent speaker. She would check a lot of boxes for the Biden camp and her seat would also be filled by a Dem under the current Gov of IL.

[Felya]

Shame this guy covered for Bill's ugly sexual predator shit for years.

That’s the thing, this isn’t new for Trump, it hasn’t even stopped:

Former campaign staffer alleges in lawsuit that Trump kissed her without her consent. The White House denies the charge.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...45b_story.html

In interviews and in the lawsuit, Alva Johnson said Trump grabbed her hand and leaned in to kiss her on the lips as he exited an RV outside the rally in Tampa on Aug. 24, 2016. Johnson said she turned her head and the unwanted kiss landed on the side of her mouth.

People need to explain to me, how protest voting against Biden, will stop a serial grouper, who hasn’t stopped doing it, despite all controversy? You think Trump will ever stop, if he isn’t punished?

Edit: You need to understand the basic logic, why Trump would rather have a deep state mission to Ukraine, to dig up dirt from an internationally called out criminal, instead of sexual assault? An accuser of Trump’s, came out almost at the same time as Trump’s mission became public thanks to a whistleblower. Maybe Trump’s 47 accusations, are so bad, that it’s the one time that even Trump isn’t tossing stones in that glass house.

[Machismo]

It really shouldn't be an either-or-choice between two gropers to begin with though.

So, you want Biden replaced by Cuomo?

[Felya]

So we should replace the rapist with another rapist? That sends a clear message.

It really shouldn't be an either-or-choice between two gropers to begin with though.

The last time someone accused Trump was from 2016. There are 47 accusers total. There have been 3 accusers in just last 12 months. Do you think Trump will stop? Do you think he will grope someone during 2020 campaign, as he did 2016?

No, unfortunately the choice is between a serial grouper, that hasn’t stopped since less than 4 years ago, versus someone who doesn’t have a history suggesting he will do it again. Why are you choosing the necessary evil, that seems likely to reoffend, instead of lesser of two evils?

So, you want Biden replaced by Cuomo?

Are you trying to make him stop posting? He doesn’t know who Cuomo is, it’s a grassroots rise. Foreigners don’t know who he is... Quickly... check if Cuomo has accusers! Not his issue stances or policy... quickly...

[Machismo]

I would choose neither.

But as the old saying goes: "two wrongs doesn't make a right"...

And at least until Tara Reade democrats used to claim that they've got higher standards, but that seems to have stopped now.

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Replaced by whomever is more suitable to be president. Don't really give a rat's ass who that might be, but you can't put someone with a history of touching women on the voting box, in my opinion.

Great, so you'd totally support Cuomo, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar, right?

[Felya]

I would choose neither.

You can’t... you know that choosing neither, will result in choosing a serial rapist. That’s why your choice is the necessary evil, instead of the lesser of two evils. What’s it called when you are judged by the outcome of your actions, instead of intent? That...

(Ignoring that you cant, because you are not from US)

But as the old saying goes: "two wrongs doesn't make a right"...

Do 3? You don’t understand this saying... adding variation, like a third option, doesn’t change the outcome to be right. Three... four... five... it doesn’t mater...

And at least until Tara Reade democrats used to claim that they've got higher standards, but that seems to have stopped now.

Now? Why aren’t democrats making as big of a deal, of 3 Trump accusations within the last 12 month? Why are democrats protecting Trump? Could it be something else?