Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Breccia]

Okay fine, one fact check.

Pence claimed the Obama administration "left the Strategic National Stockpile empty."

Facts First: This is misleading.

The Strategic National Stockpile was not empty before the coronavirus pandemic. For example, the stockpile contains enough smallpox vaccines for every American, among other medical resources.

While Trump isn't wrong to suggest he inherited a depleted stockpile of some medical supplies -- the stockpile of masks, for example, was drained and not replenished by the Obama administration -- it was not completely empty; he inherited significant quantities of other supplies. Congress repeatedly did not pay for the stockpile to be replenished. And Trump had three years in office to build depleted stockpiles back up.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services also confirmed to CNN in late June that there had been about 19,000 ventilators in the national stockpile for "many years," including 16,660 ventilators that were ready for immediate use in March 2020; the spokesperson confirmed that none of those 16,660 were purchased by the Trump administration.

So while it's apparently true Obama didn't leave any masks, it's also true Trump didn't either. Or, is Trump actually claiming "I take no responsibility" for something he personally admitted was a problem, but did nothing about for three years?

Plus all the rest of that.

[Benggaul]

I mean... the meme back then was "Binders of Women" and Paul Ryan's P90X Pumping photo.

And Howard Dean's campaign-ending shout of joy.

[Felya]

I mean... the meme back then was "Binders of Women" and Paul Ryan's P90X Pumping photo.

I know!!! We are part of the problem...

[downnola]

http://flywillvote.com

What a night.

[Thepersona]

There are more people who will not vote, than those who will. Those people, odds are due to lack of access, time or money... things such as someone like me, who bitches about politics on a forum, considers a privilege. They don’t engage, because they don’t have the privilege to waste their time on this shit.

Oh... i understand that. As an example, for me being capable of perfectly understanding the VP debate, without aid of CC or subtitles, is in itself an enormous privilege (as the number of people that can do that here is tiny).
But even then, most likely voters already made their mind.

[Felya]

And Howard Dean's campaign-ending shout of joy.

Oh... memories... AC/DC one was good... but, they might be scrubbed from YouTube:

[Zaydin]

It was such a weird debate. Trump is a bombastic spaz, and Pence is the most deadpan person I've ever seen. I don't think anyone gained any ground, but even though Pence like didn't answer any questions, it felt somewhat like a normal debate, at least when compared to last week.

If Pence failed to make up any ground then he lost the debate. That's because the Trump campaign is currently bleeding to death and Pence 'winning' the debate was vital for them to plug the wound long enough to stop from bleeding to death.

Unfortunately for the Trump campaign, Pence has the charisma of a plank of wood and is about as likeable as a cockroach.

[Ghostpanther]

Another Biden exaggeration.....https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06...-off-by-16073/

Democratic Presidential Nominee Joe Biden falsely claimed that former President Barack Obama granted pardons and reduced sentences for criminal charges to 18,000 people in his NBC town hall Monday night.

The blunder occurred when town hall host NBC News’s Lester Holt asked Biden a question about his record with criminal justice reform during his time in the White House with Obama.

“He points to the Criminal Justice Reform Bill. As you and Barack Obama served at a time when you had both houses of Congress and still couldn’t get some of these things done,” Holt noted.

Biden quickly interjected and attempted to defend himself.

“Yeah we did,” Biden insisted. “We led…18,000 people got clemency.”

Records from the United States Department of Justice demonstrate, however, that only 1,715 people were granted reduced sentences and only 212 were pardoned by former President Obama and former Vice President Biden over their eight years in office together. Contrary to Biden’s exaggerated claims, the Obama administration actually denied forms of clemency such as commutations and pardons to over 20,000 people.

[Felya]

Oh... i understand that. As an example, for me being capable of perfectly understanding the VP debate, without aid of CC or subtitles, is in itself an enormous privilege (as the number of people that can do that here is tiny).
But even then, most likely voters already made their mind.

I’m not sure what this means, but you are from Chile and give more of a shit than most of the country. A lot it justified... but, you would vote...

[Thepersona]

Another Biden exaggeration.....https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06...-off-by-16073/

Hey! Hello!

Did you see the Rasmussen poll that was posted a few hours back?

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I’m not sure what this means, but you are from Chile and give more of a shit than most of the country. A lot it justified... but, you would vote...

I mostly give a shit about US politics because its my special interest, as a person with ASD

And also because well, we are your "backyard" as your politicians like to say.

[Felya]

Another Biden exaggeration.....https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06...-off-by-16073/

Yeah, my dude... she is both too harsh on crime and too easy in crime... that article’s conclusion is bizarre, based in the rest if the article.

[TigTone]

Another Biden exaggeration.....https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06...-off-by-16073/

Democratic Presidential Nominee Joe Biden falsely claimed that former President Barack Obama granted pardons and reduced sentences for criminal charges to 18,000 people in his NBC town hall Monday night.

The blunder occurred when town hall host NBC News’s Lester Holt asked Biden a question about his record with criminal justice reform during his time in the White House with Obama.

“He points to the Criminal Justice Reform Bill. As you and Barack Obama served at a time when you had both houses of Congress and still couldn’t get some of these things done,” Holt noted.

Biden quickly interjected and attempted to defend himself.

“Yeah we did,” Biden insisted. “We led…18,000 people got clemency.”

Records from the United States Department of Justice demonstrate, however, that only 1,715 people were granted reduced sentences and only 212 were pardoned by former President Obama and former Vice President Biden over their eight years in office together. Contrary to Biden’s exaggerated claims, the Obama administration actually denied forms of clemency such as commutations and pardons to over 20,000 people.

Over 200,000 citizens dead and your vote is responsible for them.

[Ghostpanther]

If Pence failed to make up any ground then he lost the debate. That's because the Trump campaign is currently bleeding to death and Pence 'winning' the debate was vital for them to plug the wound long enough to stop from bleeding to death.

Unfortunately for the Trump campaign, Pence has the charisma of a plank of wood and is about as likeable as a cockroach.

And this is why who won the VP debate will depend on who you ask.

[Felya]

I mostly give a shit about US politics because its my special interest, as a person with ASD

Just making sure you knew I meant it as a good thing... I just wish more Americans would vote, just like you would.

[Edge-]

Another Biden exaggeration.....

Is that really the most pressing issue in this election? An exaggeration?

[Ghostpanther]

Over 200,000 citizens dead and your vote is responsible for them.

It is beyond ridiculous to blame anyone for the covid virus deaths but China for not containing it well enough. There are many nations suffering from it. Not just the US.

[TigTone]

It is beyond ridiculous to blame anyone for the covid virus deaths but China for not containing it well enough. There are many nations suffering from it. Not just the US.

I like how you leave out the incompetence of trump.

[Felya]

And this is why who won the VP debate will depend on who you ask.

They are making reference to the fly... it’s all about the fucking fly... it’s doesn’t mate... I mean, it’s irrelevant who you ask, the damn fly won... and that the botto... god damn it... that’s all...

[Thepersona]

Just making sure you knew I meant it as a good thing... I just wish more Americans would vote, just like you would.

Hey, thank you!

And yes, i would love to vote there, if i was an US citizen. The best thing i can do, is to vote for our new constitution, and throw the Pinochet one to the ash heap of history where it belongs.

[cubby]

This. It makes me so angry that Joe and Kamala aren’t pointing out every time they are asked that the GOtrumP is already packing the courts (and that they, by the way, have a plan to reform and depoliticize the courts)

It is interesting to note that Trump and McConnell haven't packed the court much more than other presidents. I'm not saying anything they did was good, but I was mildly relieved to see that Trump hasn't had more than 30 judges appointed over other 1 term presidents. Granted, those extras should have been Obama's (not just the SCOTUS spot, but many others McConnell blocked).

But if Barrett get's confirmed, SCOTUS should be expanded. I want to be clear on that point.

What is Biden/Harris' plan to reform and depoliticize the courts?