Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[postman1782]

Another Biden exaggeration.....https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06...-off-by-16073/

Democratic Presidential Nominee Joe Biden falsely claimed that former President Barack Obama granted pardons and reduced sentences for criminal charges to 18,000 people in his NBC town hall Monday night.

The blunder occurred when town hall host NBC News’s Lester Holt asked Biden a question about his record with criminal justice reform during his time in the White House with Obama.

“He points to the Criminal Justice Reform Bill. As you and Barack Obama served at a time when you had both houses of Congress and still couldn’t get some of these things done,” Holt noted.

Biden quickly interjected and attempted to defend himself.

“Yeah we did,” Biden insisted. “We led…18,000 people got clemency.”

Records from the United States Department of Justice demonstrate, however, that only 1,715 people were granted reduced sentences and only 212 were pardoned by former President Obama and former Vice President Biden over their eight years in office together. Contrary to Biden’s exaggerated claims, the Obama administration actually denied forms of clemency such as commutations and pardons to over 20,000 people.

You might want to stick to posting Fox News. The Federalist is WORSE than Fox News when it comes to fact checks.

[Zan15]

It is beyond ridiculous to blame anyone for the covid virus deaths but China for not containing it well enough. There are many nations suffering from it. Not just the US.

damn son you've gone full.....no one should ever go full....

China starts a fire on the west coast. you put a little water on it then drop tons of gasoline from air planes on it....
China's fault, not yours for what happens next??

[Xarkan]

Not that i saw that debate but interruptions is one statistic one should be cautious using

If you give most of the time to one politician the other one will be likely interrupt more, it is an easy way to manipulate the perception.

Not saying that happened here (i wouldnt know) just that it is a bit of a horrible statistic without more information

[kaelleria]

69% of women thought Harris won the debate
30% Pence

That gender gap right there is why the Trump campaign is screwed.

[Xarkan]

They were within about 3 seconds of speaking time of each other: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...c18c93b3940835

I am more reminded about a danish election a few years ago where a debate between Helle Thorning and Lars Loekke had people saying "she kept interrupting him" which she did.. but that was because he got more time. I hate the statistic because, as i said, it is easily manipulated by the moderator to support their side

If they get similar time as you say then the statistic can be useful

[Gestopft]

What is Biden/Harris' plan to reform and depoliticize the courts?

I'm not sure they have one. But they should. And they can sell it in a way that lets people know that even if their plan involves adding justices, that the overall goal is to bring down the heat of SCOTUS nominations and increase the legitimacy of the court.

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She did point it out during the debate though

Yes, but... I was glad to hear her bring up the unqualified "judges" that McConnell has been fast-tracking, but I think she can make a lot more hay by a) referring to what the GOP is already doing as a sort of partisan packing in its own right, and contrast the GOP politicization to the depoliticization that they would like to do. They've looked weak and obviously uncomfortable when asked about court packing; they need to parry that better.

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69% of women thought Harris won the debate
30% Pence

That gender gap right there is why the Trump campaign is screwed.

But I'm sure Mother was happy with him.

Except for the part where he was on a stage alone with TWO women.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Hmm, it's almost like giving a shit about those voters would actually be beneficial then. We all know that every Biden voter would hold their nose and vote Bernie, so Dems only had voters to gain by electing him. And before people complain about "muh socialism", it really isn't the four-letter word that you all make it out to be these days, even among those who voted for Trump.

Bernie not being a Democrat was always a boon for him, not a negative. But I'm done trying to convince you all that Bernie was the superior candidate - you made your bed, now lay in it. It's not up to me to win this election, it's all on Biden and his campaign, so take it up with them if they lose.

Bernie also endorsed Hillary, not because she was close to being basically the same as him, but because he was aware what a fucking disaster Trump would be as far as setting left wing politics back decades. You guys wanted socialism? You guys wanted "true" left wing politicians? Congrats, you're not getting them, because 2016 lowered the bar lower than it's ever gone, in addition to pushing the electorate back to the right. Not only did the left lose the chance to occupy Scalia's seat, it's now looking like it's going to lose RBG's seat. And while Democrats could expand the supreme court, it's more than likely going to involve taking the filibuster out back and putting it out of its misery. It'll be nice for getting things done in the short term, but the next time the Republicans come into power, they'll abuse it more than ever before. So it would have probably been nice to maintain a relatively liberal supreme court without breaking the filibuster. But well, here we are.

[Gestopft]

And while Democrats could expand the supreme court, it's more than likely going to involve taking the filibuster out back and putting it out of its misery. It'll be nice for getting things done in the short term, but the next time the Republicans come into power, they'll abuse it more than ever before. So it would have probably been nice to maintain a relatively liberal supreme court without breaking the filibuster. But well, here we are.

Given the demographic time bombs the GOP is sitting on, I can only hope that by the time they get that power back, they will have done so by not being a godawful trash heap of a party anymore.

[Kaleredar]

Bernie also endorsed Hillary, not because she was close to being basically the same as him, but because he was aware what a fucking disaster Trump would be as far as setting left wing politics back decades. You guys wanted socialism? You guys wanted "true" left wing politicians? Congrats, you're not getting them, because 2016 lowered the bar lower than it's ever gone, in addition to pushing the electorate back to the right. Not only did the left lose the chance to occupy Scalia's seat, it's now looking like it's going to lose RBG's seat. And while Democrats could expand the supreme court, it's more than likely going to involve taking the filibuster out back and putting it out of its misery. It'll be nice for getting things done in the short term, but the next time the Republicans come into power, they'll abuse it more than ever before. So it would have probably been nice to maintain a relatively liberal supreme court without breaking the filibuster. But well, here we are.

I liken it to people on a sinking boat that's trying to go back to port refusing to bail water because they're bummed the ship is no longer going to hawaii.

Or a person refusing aid whilst lying in a ditch covered in mud with both legs cut off at the knees because the people trying to help them aren't also going to help them train for a marathon.

So... People with massively fucked up priorities, in a less verbose sense I suppose.

I am more reminded about a danish election a few years ago where a debate between Helle Thorning and Lars Loekke had people saying "she kept interrupting him" which she did.. but that was because he got more time. I hate the statistic because, as i said, it is easily manipulated by the moderator to support their side

If they get similar time as you say then the statistic can be useful

There's also the unfortunate notion among some that the person "interrupting" and "attacking" must have performed better because they "dominated the debate and the other person" more.

Instead of, you know, making actually valid points or cogent arguments.

[Zeth Hawkins]

They were within about 3 seconds of speaking time of each other: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...c18c93b3940835

So the interruptions from both were...good?

[Healing Rain]

Biden-Harris keep on giving me more reasons to vote for President Trump. I'm more concerned about the national debt than someone's personal debt. By politicizing an inevitable vaccine for the China Virus Harris disqualified herself from even being in the Senate, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency. It's the President's duty to check Congress, so Biden-Harris's answer to allowing corrupt Dems to pack the Court with DNC activists/pawns should be a definitive "NO!"

[Rasulis]

And this is why who won the VP debate will depend on who you ask.

Who won the debate does not matter. Both Harris and Pence performances made people realize that Trump is a really crummy president.

[postman1782]

Biden-Harris keep on giving me more reasons to vote for President Trump. I'm more concerned about the national debt than someone's personal debt. By politicizing an inevitable vaccine for the China Virus Harris disqualified herself from even being in the Senate, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency. It's the President's duty to check Congress, so Biden-Harris's answer to allowing corrupt Dems to pack the Court with DNC activists/pawns should be a definitive "NO!"

LOL, you aren't worried about the debt, otherwise you would be fucking up in arms over everything Trump has done to date. You haven't said anything til now. And if Trump is rushing the vaccine and not doing proper trials, I won't take it, and I guarantee no one else will. And you don't care about Trump packing the courts, because he is doing that now.

[Rasulis]

Biden-Harris keep on giving me more reasons to vote for President Trump. I'm more concerned about the national debt than someone's personal debt. By politicizing an inevitable vaccine for the China Virus Harris disqualified herself from even being in the Senate, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency. It's the President's duty to check Congress, so Biden-Harris's answer to allowing corrupt Dems to pack the Court with DNC activists/pawns should be a definitive "NO!"

Yeah. I am sure you are a better economist that Jerome Powell.

[Xyonai]

Biden-Harris keep on giving me more reasons to vote for President Trump. I'm more concerned about the national debt than someone's personal debt. By politicizing an inevitable vaccine for the China Virus Harris disqualified herself from even being in the Senate, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency. It's the President's duty to check Congress, so Biden-Harris's answer to allowing corrupt Dems to pack the Court with DNC activists/pawns should be a definitive "NO!"

Hi, I know you won't actually respond to this but I felt someone had to cherry pick the points made for the lurkers and because I can't help myself:

We're currently running a multi-trillion Dollar Deficit because of the GOP's tax plan which was made worse by COVID

Trump was hounding the FDA to streamline a vaccine to make sure it was ready by the election, if that's not politicizing then idk what is.

Not a correction but lol @ 'China Virus'.

it's also Congress' duity to keep the President in check, it's not a one way street. We don't have a king.

And Trump's SC pick has advocated for theocratic rule of law above all else which I think is as 'Activist pawn' as you can get.

But I applaud this caricature of a Pearl Clutching Facebook conservative in just how well you captured the projection and vapid vomiting of talking points.

[nonameelf]

Biden-Harris keep on giving me more reasons to vote for President Trump. I'm more concerned about the national debt than someone's personal debt. By politicizing an inevitable vaccine for the China Virus Harris disqualified herself from even being in the Senate, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency. It's the President's duty to check Congress, so Biden-Harris's answer to allowing corrupt Dems to pack the Court with DNC activists/pawns should be a definitive "NO!"

Nice projection. Republicans are doing literally everything you accuse Democrats of doing.

[Kaleredar]

Biden-Harris keep on giving me more reasons to vote for President Trump. I'm more concerned about the national debt than someone's personal debt. By politicizing an inevitable vaccine for the China Virus Harris disqualified herself from even being in the Senate, let alone a heartbeat away from the presidency. It's the President's duty to check Congress, so Biden-Harris's answer to allowing corrupt Dems to pack the Court with DNC activists/pawns should be a definitive "NO!"

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I'm still not convinced there's an actual human being behind this account.

[Elegiac]

*checks watch* Yeah, I got time for violence.

So yeah, apropos of nothing here's a rant written by Mike Pence in 1998 about how Disney's Mulan is liberal propaganda designed to undermine the US military by promoting women serving in the army. At age 39.

[Captain N]

A moment for a quick laugh and because Elgiac mentioned Jeff Goldblum earlier....

Apparently Goldblum fans want him to make a cameo on SNL as the VP Debate Fly:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...ly/5919924002/

[Antiganon]

You may not be intending it as such but you're coming off a toooouch hostile. All I'm saying is that the signature thing shouldn't discourage people from mail-in voting, especially given that we're in the middle of a pandemic where in-person voting is a potential health hazard. By all means vote in person if you have the means to do so and can do it in relative safety, but for those who don't have that option they should feel secure in sending in absentee ballots.

Going for dry sarcasm and an overall indictment of voting rights in this country and how convoluted everything is. I forgot about Poe's Law.