Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

I would prefer Bernie.

But how is this question relevant?

The subject is about whether or not someone who has a history of inappropriately touching / groping women should be electable.

To me the answer is "no".

You?

It's very relevant, and shows your true intentions.

As far as I know, those four are not accused of inappropriately groping women, so you would gladly support them, right?

[Felya]

The subject is about whether or not someone who has a history of inappropriately touching / groping women should be electable.

To me the answer is "no".

The bold is not true... You know that not voting or voting third party, will result in a serial rapist being elected. That means it’s willful... Willful just like you ignoring Trump groped someone in 2016... do you think Trump will do it again? 47 accusers, with last one being groped less than 4 years ago. But, you are telling me to vote so he can have immunity of the president to continue?

You so don’t care about victims, you are using them as fodder to your alt right quest to the necessary evil.

[Machismo]

Over Biden? Sure.

Trying to point out people's 'intentions' for not wanting sex offenders seems a bit ... crazy? The intentions for not wanting sex offenders as public officials seem pretty obvious to me.

So, if any of them were the nominee, you wouldn't be constantly complaining right now?

You'd support any of those four for president?

I want to be as specific as possible, because it feels like you are trying to dodge.

[Machismo]

Do we ?

How do we know that?

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How would I be able to complain / feel disgusted with them for being sex offenders?

That's another dodge.

Answer the questions, please.

To answer yours, it would show to your actual motives, which are becoming quite clear.

[Levelfive]

Do we ?

How do we know that?

Because that's your whole reason for being here, trying to interfere in the US election.

[Felya]

Trying to point out people's 'intentions' for not wanting sex offenders seems a bit ... crazy?

Single accuser from 30 years ago... while your solution, results in election if someone with 47 accusers, with last attack in 2016. Tell me why Trump won’t do it again? Why is your solution, resulting in the opposite of your “wanting”?

[JohnBrown1917]

Have fun convincing people that Trump is the necessary evil, in stopping a rapist... without any sense of hypocrisy. Because, that’s the outcome of not voting Biden. So, please, cut the indignation, because a necessary evil as an outcome, is worse than the lesser of two evils.
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Don't you get tired of posting strawman?

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Single accuser from 30 years ago... while your solution, results in election if someone with 47 accusers, with last attack in 2016. Tell me why Trump won’t do it again? Why is your solution, resulting in the opposite of your “wanting”?

Having morals and not defending rapist war criminal. It might sound crazy, but you can hate both. I know this is alien to Americans, but it is possible.

Or do you really think defending him on these forums will get him any votes at all?

[Felya]

Do we ?

How do we know that?

History... logic... reason... reality... understanding... intelligence... wisdom... foresight... I could go on. It’s a very very... uhm... question to ask. Name the year, the last time a third party pulled 5%... not come close... I am asking for 5%.

How exactly are you participating in a political discussion of US and not know that?

It’s even questionable, that states have enough electoral representatives of third parties, to win with even 100% electoral dominance. 5% is important, because 5% gets the third party on the ballot of every state and gets funding for things like... let’s say... electoral representatives. Wtf?

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Don't you get tired of posting strawman?

I’m sorry, am I building the wrong one? I got 47 straws on one side and one in the other... maybe I’m just a hard worker, lifting all those straws. Lazy bastards picking up one... sad.

Having morals and not defending rapist war criminal. It might sound crazy, but you can hate both. I know this is alien to Americans, but it is possible.

No, pretending people are defending a rapist, by literally saying they are voting for lesser of two evils... is just baseless moral indignation. Please, think about the children... Trump can’t bust into their dressing rooms, if the they are not around.

Or do you really think defending him on these forums will get him any votes at all?

I think when people see someone say they are voting for lesser of two evils, to then see someone interpret that as defense... the intentions are very clear. The argument is between the lesser of two evils versus the necessary evil. Don’t act indignant, regardless of the evil you choose.

[JohnBrown1917]

Uh, no?

That is not how "not voting" works.

When you don't vote you might give whomever has the most votes a bit of an indirect bump. But why are you so certain that Trump would get the most votes?

By thinking up excuses for rape. Democrats have never understood how to get votes outside their liberal bases. You will never guilt anybody in voting for your rapist/war criminal. But they gotta try, so defending war crimes and rape it is.

[Machismo]

That would be 1996. It is hardly ancient history.

It isn't as hard as Americans keep making out. What mainly stops it happening is people mythologizing its impossibility.

Yes, yes it is.

You really don't actually know how the system is set up, because you are not even from here.

it was literally a billionaire who spammed the airwaves with ads, and 30-minute spots.

How many electoral votes did Perot get in 1996?

[fwc577]

I would choose neither.

But as the old saying goes: "two wrongs doesn't make a right"...

And at least until Tara Reade democrats used to claim that they've got higher standards, but that seems to have stopped now.

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Replaced by whomever is more suitable to be president. Don't really give a rat's ass who that might be (beyond me scrutinizing them for their lack of social-democratic policies), but you can't put someone with a history of touching women on the voting box, in my opinion.

You're telling me that someone who might have done something once nearly 30 years ago ISN'T the higher ground compared to someone who has sexually assaulted 47 women in like the last 30 years?

Get the fuck out. You're not arguing in good faith. You're being a troll.

[Machismo]

Uh, no?

That is not how "not voting" works.

When you don't vote you might give whomever has the most votes a bit of an indirect bump. But why are you so certain that Trump would get the most votes?

In the end, this shows that your true motes are about pushing democratic socialism, and not some moral high ground.

I love it when you guys are revealed.

[JohnBrown1917]

You're telling me that someone who might have done something once nearly 30 years ago ISN'T the higher ground compared to someone who has sexually assaulted 47 women in like the last 30 years?

Get the fuck out. You're not arguing in good faith. You're being a troll.

And you're defending a rapist.

[fwc577]

And you're defending a rapist.

This isn't a defense of an ALLEGED rapist. I understand people outside the US have no clue how laws work in the US. You really need to work on fixing your own country, comrade.

The election of Donald Trump and the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh have shown that sexual assault ALLEGATIONS are not a factor in determining a candidates eligibility.

It's horrible and disgusting what they're ALL accused of, but until we see some police reports and warrants, it's tough shit for you, Kamerad.

[JohnBrown1917]

This isn't a defense of an ALLEGED rapist. I understand people outside the US have no clue how laws work in the US. You really need to work on fixing your own country, comrade.

We don't have any rapists in charge, only a war criminial.
So you have your fun with defending a rapist, its going to be a great 2020.

[fwc577]

Rings a bit hollow coming from a country with an orange retard as president who can break all the laws he wants and be openly corrupt
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the country being unwilling to remove him from office
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holding a 2020 election with the choice being between rapist shit or rapist turdsandwhich.

Innit?

Show me their criminal records for rape? You can't. Because we have laws in America unlike your backwater shithole country, kamerad.

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We don't have any rapists in charge, only a war criminial.
So you have your fun with defending a rapist, its going to be a great 2020.

Show me the convictions for rape for anyone currently elected or seeking election to the office of the President or the Supreme court. You can't, cyka blyat.

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If Trump is truly as awful as people claim he is there REALLY should have been protests and activism that should've got him removed from office by now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women%27s_March

3.2-5.2 million people attended around the US.

Sorry, but protests and activism aren't how we remove people from office in America. We have laws, unlike whatever country you're from. Stay out of American politics please. You don't belong.

[Lenonis]

I see the political arsonists are really devoted to their cause. Someone remind me this thread exists when they get bored.

[NED funded]

"Why won't Americans remove their presidents violently?"

Yeah. Europeans on this thread are wild

[fwc577]

There are words for that: fascism, cowardice, subservience, lack of freedom.

Take your pick.

I can lobby the admins to create a separate politics forum for Russia if you need it.

[Machismo]

Rings a bit hollow coming from someone with an orange retard as president who can break all the laws he wants and be openly corrupt
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the country being unwilling to remove him from office
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holding a 2020 election with the choice being between rapist shit or rapist turdsandwhich.

Innit?

I don't mean this in an offensive way... Rather more in a way of wondering why there isn't more happening.

If Trump is truly as awful as people claim he is there REALLY should have been protests and activism that should've got him removed from office by now.

Careful, you are proving once again why you are actually here.