Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yeah your anti-democratic logic that choosing not to vote for candidate X is actually a vote for candidate Y. Sorry that's not how voting works.

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This however is a but both sides issue. A lot of videos of Handsy Uncle Joe touching women and they all seem to be very uncomfortable with it.

Right I am sure your whataboutism makes you feel like a good little Trump Supporter, but the point went way over your head.

[bmjclark]

I just hope corona chills out long enough for us to watch 2 senile old men incoherently ramble at eachother in a debate then I can check right back out of this election again.

[arandomuser]

Biden as a candidate has huge issues, despite moderate Democrats clamoring continuously about how "he's better than Trump" already for the past few months, and most likely will have to keep repeating it for many more to come without much effect.

The fact is that many big progressive movements and initiatives simply reject Biden. Whether it's climate change activist groups, women's right activist groups, worker rights groups etc.



People tried to warn that Biden was too divisive of a nominee.
People tried to warn that the choice literally was: Bernie or Trump.
The voters ended up choosing Trump.

I wonder how the communists in 1930s germany who were "communist or nothing" or supported hitler to "own the system" felt a couple years on.

there was this whacko named ernst thalman who supported something like that, didnt end well for him lets just say, maybe he should of had his followers pick the lesser of 2 evils

"In October 1925 Thälmann became chairman of the KPD and that year was a candidate for the German Presidency. Thälmann's candidacy in the second round of the presidential election split the centre-left vote and ensured that the conservative Paul von Hindenburg defeated the Centre Party's Wilhelm Marx.[
(hindenburg is the guy who appointed hitler chancellor)
imagine if hindenburg didnt win that election?

[Doctor Amadeus]

You know you've gone off the deep end when you're calling left-wing / social democrats Trump supporters.

Or is that maybe a sign that Biden is too right-wing?

No I’m calling out someone who’s pretending to be a Democrat and not a Trump supporter. Because at this point there is nothing more to discuss.

Biden is going to be the nominee because Bernie dropped out. So all that’s left for those who were never really democrats to do.

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Going after Trump for being a creep would be like going after Biden because he is old. There is more then enough evidence to prove both Biden and Trumps are just creepy at times.

Again as I said you don’t have to convince anyone other than yourself you support Trump.

It’s over Bernie is out. Maybe pretend you’re voting green.

[Omega10]

I just hope corona chills out long enough for us to watch 2 senile old men incoherently ramble at eachother in a debate then I can check right back out of this election again.

Vote third party, either libertarian or green depending on which makes the ballot in your state. If you meant "checking out of the election but I'll vote 3rd party in November", then count me in!

[Draco-Onis]

If there's no violation of consent and no pregnancy then I have no more grounds to judge Trump-Ivanka relations then I do relations between two men or two different races or whatever else. If there are grounds to do so I've yet to come across one that wasn't based on either a religious text or "just cuz I said so".

Incest is the ultimate power imbalance and dynamic "consent" is a bit fuzzy in this case, I am an atheist so religion has nothing to do with it. You are basically saying it's okay for someone to possibly groom and brainwash someone from when they were young to have sex with them that scream of pedophilia to me. I don't see how you can associate that with gay or interracial marriage again weird hill to die on.

[Orbitus]

Well, if mail-in-votes can't happen because the USPS is too broke...

They also can't happen simply because Ivanka owns patents in voting machines. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1NB0TL

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So because it's a republican president getting accused of that, it's true but Biden being accused means it's a crazy woman and throw in some of the good ol' russian blame.

Sounds like the accusation against Biden from that Tara chick is pretty questionable at best.

[unfilteredJW]

A good example indeed.

History does teach us a lot. If only the voters had understood this and supported Bernie.

Now we're stuck going down a very similar road again it seems.

Well, it looks like anything posted from you from now on can be dismissed without a worry.

Yikes.

[Kasierith]

Well, it looks like anything posted from you from now on can be dismissed without a worry.

Yikes.

You're speaking to someone who has no issue whatsoever with how communists seized power historically. The non democratic seizures.

[JohnBrown1917]

https://www.businessinsider.nl/forme...onal=true&r=US

Glad to see she took this step.

You're speaking to someone who has no issue whatsoever with how communists seized power historically. The non democratic seizures.

In non-democratic countries you mean? Because the Russian Tsar or Batista where such amazing people.

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I wonder how the communists in 1930s germany who were "communist or nothing" or supported hitler to "own the system" felt a couple years on.

there was this whacko named ernst thalman who supported something like that, didnt end well for him lets just say, maybe he should of had his followers pick the lesser of 2 evils

"In October 1925 Thälmann became chairman of the KPD and that year was a candidate for the German Presidency. Thälmann's candidacy in the second round of the presidential election split the centre-left vote and ensured that the conservative Paul von Hindenburg defeated the Centre Party's Wilhelm Marx.[
(hindenburg is the guy who appointed hitler chancellor)
imagine if hindenburg didnt win that election?

It was the liberals and conservatives who voted Hitler into power in the parliament.

[Kasierith]

In non-democratic countries you mean? Because the Russian Tsar or Batista where such amazing people.\

Said poster was pretty clear they were fine with it taking place in democracies as well.

[arandomuser]

https://www.businessinsider.nl/forme...onal=true&r=US

Glad to see she took this step.




In non-democratic countries you mean? Because the Russian Tsar or Batista where such amazing people.

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It was the liberals and conservatives who voted Hitler into power in the parliament.

lol looks like russian tara really wants trump to win putin must of told her biden is +30 points with women, not that it matters anyways, if people even cared about that accusation crap 1. trump wouldnt be president. 2. kanavaugh wouldnt be on the scotus, its clear your average voter can care less about it.

[Kasierith]

lol looks like russian tara really wants trump to win putin must of told her biden is +30 points with women, not that it matters anyways, if people even cared about that accusation crap 1. trump wouldnt be president. 2. kanavaugh wouldnt be on the scotus, its clear your average voter can care less about it.

Progressive types care. They just don't happen to be Republicans, and the senate couldn't care less about them getting miffed. Especially since a rather large portion of the Trump camp are voting against progressives more than in favor of the GOP platform.

[arandomuser]

Progressive types care. They just don't happen to be Republicans, and the senate couldn't care less about them getting miffed. Especially since a rather large portion of the Trump camp are voting against progressives more than in favor of the GOP platform.

well it should be seen differently this time since progressives constantly accuse biden of racism/sexism, and calling him an old white man ( ironic since 90% of those people support bernie) and biden won every 83% of counties sanders won, and i dont even think actual liberals care about that woke stuff, trudeau was caught in blackface but he still won in canada

[JohnBrown1917]

lol looks like russian tara really wants trump to win putin must of told her biden is +30 points with women, not that it matters anyways, if people even cared about that accusation crap 1. trump wouldnt be president. 2. kanavaugh wouldnt be on the scotus, its clear your average voter can care less about it.

Thats more of a GoP thing, left-leaning people do care more about it... I hope.


But yeah, keep saying its a russian plot or some shit, that'll make you look good.

[Spectral]

The Mike Pence Rule for engagement with women went from looking like whacky religious shit to just a good self defense practice for men in positions of power. If decades old claims of one-on-one encounters can be treated as credible, the only plausible way to make sure you can't be the target of a false accusation is if everyone knows that you literally never put yourself into situations where you're alone with women other than your wife. Personally, it sounds terrible to have to live that way and it would certainly rob good women of the ability to form the kinds of interpersonal relationships that help build and consolidate power, but that's the price of Believe All Women I suppose.

[JohnBrown1917]

The Mike Pence Rule for engagement with women went from looking like whacky religious shit to just a good self defense practice for men in positions of power. If decades old claims of one-on-one encounters can be treated as credible, the only plausible way to make sure you can't be the target of a false accusation is if everyone knows that you literally never put yourself into situations where you're alone with women other than your wife. Personally, it sounds terrible to have to live that way and it would certainly rob good women of the ability to form the kinds of interpersonal relationships that help build and consolidate power, but that's the price of Believe All Women I suppose.

How strange how a lot of powerful men do go away getting accused of sexual crimes, must be that they are not targeted by a cable of crazy feminists, rigt guys??

[Machismo]

I think the idea is odd and super damn weird too, I could never imagine having such an idea. But that was never the argument and so it's irrelevant.

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Yeah when consent is present can be fuzzy.



No not from an atheistic and pro-liberty perspective. Without a religious foundation it's incredibly hard to come up with a justification for allowing deviant relations in one case but not another. Generally though consent and harm/damage-done are a strong criteria.

It was your argument, you called me a puritan for finding him to be vile.

[Machismo]

Well yes, Machismo the uber AnCap coming out against incest is a bit off brand for an AnCap.

Yes, I can find all sorts of things to be vile, like screwing your own daughter, being a white nationalist, and supporting apartheid.

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Biden as a candidate has huge issues, despite moderate Democrats clamoring continuously about how "he's better than Trump" already for the past few months, and most likely will have to keep repeating it for many more to come without much effect.

The fact is that many big progressive movements and initiatives simply reject Biden. Whether it's climate change activist groups, women's right activist groups, worker rights groups etc.



People tried to warn that Biden was too divisive of a nominee.
People tried to warn that the choice literally was: Bernie or Trump.
The voters ended up choosing Trump.

I have asked this before in a different thread, but it got closed.

Are you even an American?

[Machismo]

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Well, considering there's folks spamming dozens of accounts to insult others, I'd say the people are right about Bernie supporters.

Not only that, you are a Brit, which means you don't actually have any say in this election.