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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    so whats your theory of change? how do you shift american politics?
    First you have to make a statement that you're not voting, and spam internet forums with both-side-isms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Well, if it were for me, the CEOs of almost every company would be sent to a gulag in alaska. With a one way ticket.
    What did Alaska do to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Well, if it were for me, the CEOs of almost every company would be sent to a gulag in alaska. With a one way ticket.
    Why? Any business leader who doesn't do what you say should be imprisoned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Because people tend to be aware, if even on a subconcious level, about their own lack of morals and principles or conficting ideological beliefs ?

    What's the deal, hm? Does the Pelosi Party of Fake Smiles only like to hand out cheques when they know the total hand-out is insignificant and a one-time thing?

    Why is it that for Healthcare and Environmentalism their stance is a lame and lackluster "Incrementalism is the way forward! We must compromise with the Republicans at all costs!". And now for a stimulus package they're going with a "I'm holding my breath until we get exactly what we want! No compromises! No incrementalism!"-approach?
    Because one is a fix to a temporary problem and the other is systematic? WTF?

    Just a reminder... Trump is running on not rejoining Paris accord, because Biden said he would rejoin. Trump is calling Biden’s plan going too far, while making more deals with fossil fuels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    What did Alaska do to you?
    I mean, my other alternatives were the sun or a supermassive black hole. Had to choose.
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    First you have to make a statement that you're not voting, and spam internet forums with both-side-isms.
    These people are sitting around, eschewing all suitors, proudly waiting for prince charming to come whisk them away in his pumpkin carriage so they can knock everyone's socks off at the ball.

    ...Of course, they've yet to ever actually go to a dance. But next dance, for sure!
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Why? Any business leader who doesn't do what you should be imprisoned?
    Because they are oligarchic fuckwits that profiteered from the suffering of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, and are the main stopgap for progress of humanity?

    I mean, people were sent to gulags or worse for way less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    How about tax evasion in the trillion dollars and corruptiong democracy, while they already have 10000x more than the average person, just to get a little bit more? (I might've missed some zeroes there by the way).
    Let’s see if he connects the dots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    I mean, people were sent to gulags or worse for way less.
    Which was bad... right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Well, if it were for me, the CEOs of almost every company would be sent to a gulag in alaska. With a one way ticket.
    They should. All of them. But the stimulus guaranteed nobody got fired. This is textbook cutting off the nose to spite the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Because people tend to be aware, if even on a subconcious level, about their own lack of morals and principles or conficting ideological beliefs ?

    What's the deal, hm? Does the Pelosi Party of Fake Smiles only like to hand out cheques when they know the total hand-out is insignificant and a one-time thing?

    Why is it that for Healthcare and Environmentalism their stance is a lame and lackluster "Incrementalism is the way forward! We must compromise with the Republicans at all costs!". And now for a stimulus package they're going with a "I'm holding my breath until we get exactly what we want! No compromises! No incrementalism!"-approach?
    They aren't compromising with republicans on healthcare or the environment. They are taking an approach that pushes for what they want that doesn't scare off voters. And the reality of going hard-line on pushing socialized medicine or combating climate change doesn't get you elected.

    You can't do anything if you're not elected.

    Which is why you're bound to forever do nothing about the issues you ostensibly care about.



    Also, if you want to front as an American, it's "checks," not "cheques."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    They should. All of them. But the stimulus guaranteed nobody got fired. This is textbook cutting off the nose to spite the face.
    I’m pretty sure it’s why I have a job...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post



    Which was bad... right?
    Yes. I know it is bad. I cannot think of any worse sentence for those oligarchic bastards though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Yes. I know it is bad. I cannot think of any worse sentence for those oligarchic bastards though
    Live with their kids...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    How about tax evasion in the trillion dollars and corruptiong democracy, while they already have 10000x more than the average person, just to get a little bit more? (I might've missed some zeroes there by the way).
    That should be based on whether the CEO as an individual broke the law and not simply because they're a CEO. Who is going to lead companies if no one is allowed to be a CEO without going to prison a day later?

    Also why should I care if Jeff Bezos has 10000x more than me? We should celebrate the success of others and not be jealous or envious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    That should be based on whether they as an individual broke the law and not simply because they're a CEO. Who is going to lead companies if no one is allowed to be a CEO without going to prison a day later?
    The workers... see Germany...

    Also why should I care if Jeff Bezos has 10000x more than me? We should celebrate the success of others and not be jealous or envious.
    Because you get paid from the same pool... your time is worth 10000x less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    That should be based on whether the CEO as an individual broke the law and not simply because they're a CEO. Who is going to lead companies if no one is allowed to be a CEO without going to prison a day later?
    I assume that you havent heard of Anarcho-Sindicalism, right? Or cooperativism?
    Because you can successfully run a company without a CEO, or a board of directors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    I’m pretty sure it’s why I have a job...
    Yup I'm pretty sure it's why my brother has a job too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Yup I'm pretty sure it's why my brother has a job too.
    Do you know how long it lasts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Do you know how long it lasts?
    oct 1st. two weeks ago.... =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Sometimes new laws can go into effect retro-actively, in fact, it's not uncommon for new taxes to do so.
    What?

    Also, there can be new CEOs, after they witnessed what happened to the previous ones that gave into greed and corruption.
    What? You sure they won’t build higher walls?

    And why does it matter if some people have 100000x more than others? It matters in the context of judging their greed and corruption.
    Exactly how fair is it that someone who earns 100000x more than the average person has to pay exactly 0 taxes, while someone who has very little has to give up close to a quarter of their earnings every year?
    Let’s say they pay the required amount... you don’t see any other problem?

    Greed has been an archetypical sin since the dawn of mankind for a reason. Even some of the most prominent and most pacifist saints in almost every religion were violent against greedy merchants.
    How many kings harbored saints for political power? Is it greedy of you to fly to Brussels for medication?

    But this is getting off-topic now... even if the Democratic Party has a great deal of history and responsibility when it comes to giving these corrupt corporations their power and excessive wealth and tax exemptions or billion dollar subsidies.
    You don’t care... we have a corporation as president and you bitch about democrats. You are the reason we got Trump, when Bush was supposed to be the end of GOP. It’s people like you, who thought democrats were not doing enough, that created Trump.
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