Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[eschatological]

Yeah. Who do you think is lying here...Ratcliffe or Lying Adam Schiff?

Ratcliffe. Without a doubt.

He's proven, time and time again, to be a political hack, whose only qualification to be DNI is fealty to Trump.

I'd like you to provide one corroborated instance of Adam Schiff lying publicly about something this Administration has done.

[DocSavageFan]

I have four sources that say the email story is made up.

Citation please...or are you just being factious because you have nothing to contribute to the discussion?

[Edge-]

Yeah. Who do you think is lying here...Ratcliffe or Lying Adam Schiff?

Do we get to come up with a cute nickname for Ratcliffe too, because we're all adults who totally don't still use middle-school nicknames for people?

[beanman12345]

Yeah. Who do you think is lying here...Ratcliffe or Lying Adam Schiff?

Ratcliffe is lying.

[PhaelixWW]

Not to mention the metadata on some of those emails indicating that they were created after Hunter allegedly dropped his laptop off at a repair shop on the other side of the country without leaving a name or any contact details for payment, and the repair shop guy (who just HAPPENS to be a Trump supporter) starts doing billable work without knowing who to bill it to.

The metadata in question is on the pdf files made from the supposed emails, not the emails themselves.

[DocSavageFan]

Ratcliffe. Without a doubt.

He's proven, time and time again, to be a political hack, whose only qualification to be DNI is fealty to Trump.

I'd like you to provide one corroborated instance of Adam Schiff lying publicly about something this Administration has done.

You talking about Adam "We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower" Schiff?

[DingDongKing]

What a surprise that supporters of the Russian puppet in the White House claim that his sycophantic political appointees are telling the truth. When they’re not. So logic would say the supporters of the Russian puppet are also spreading disinformation and conspiracies. And if they believe that the emails are real, then they also believe that there’s child porn on there. Which means they’re accusing Biden or someone of being a paedophile. This violates forum rules. But they won’t say the quiet parts out loud will they? Same way they get offended when they’re accused of being impaired, when in fact they support a racist and fascist. I'm sure no rational person would support a racist and fascist? Because racism and fascism is bad.

[kaelleria]

Yeah. Who do you think is lying here...Ratcliffe or Lying Adam Schiff?

Lol

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/2/2075202...director-trump

John Ratcliffe, Trump’s pick for top intel post, withdraws amid scrutiny over exaggerated bio

Ratcliffe has frequently boasted about overseeing the arrest of 300 illegal immigrants in one day at a poultry plant in 2008, a brag he even lists on his website. But the Washington Post on Thursday found that he played at best a “supporting role” in an operation led by Immigration and Customs Enforcement that also involved five US attorneys’ offices in five states.

“Only 45 workers were charged by prosecutors in Ratcliffe’s office, court documents show,” the Post reported. “Six of those cases were dismissed, two of them because the suspects turned out to be American citizens.”

“Two people involved in the planning or execution of the enforcement effort said they could not recall Ratcliffe playing a central role,” the report continued.

That’s not all. Ratcliffe also said he personally convicted terrorists accused of funneling money to Hamas. But his own aide confirmed to the New York Times on Tuesday that the congressman’s account wasn’t completely accurate. The lawmaker had investigated issues related to an initial mistrial but didn’t actually prosecute the case.

What’s more, Ratcliffe had also claimed then-President George W. Bush appointed him to the position of “chief of anti-terrorism and national security in the Eastern District of Texas.” The problem, though, is that position doesn’t exist, experts note. Instead, he served in a less prestigious administrative and coordinating role when it came to terrorism issues in the district.

[Elegiac]

Yeah. Who do you think is lying here...Ratcliffe or Lying Adam Schiff?

Ratcliffe. Like why is this even a question, lol.

[Edge-]

Citation please...or are you just being factious because you have nothing to contribute to the discussion?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-wh...arre-interview

I mean, we can go straight to the source. The guy who runs the repair shop - https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-wh...arre-interview

Mac Isaac said he had a medical condition that prevented him from actually seeing who dropped off the laptop but that he believed it to be Hunter Biden’s because of a sticker related to the Beau Biden Foundation that was on it. He said that Hunter Biden actually dropped off three laptops for repair, an abundance of hardware that he chalked up to the Biden son being “rich.”

Couldn't confirm who dropped off the laptop, didn't bother to confirm despite his "medical condition".

Throughout the interview, Mac Isaac switched back and forth from saying he reached out to law enforcement after viewing the files in the laptop to saying that it was actually the Federal Bureau of Investigation that contacted him.

Can't remember if he called the FBI, or the FBI called him.

At one point, Mac Isaac claimed that he was emailing someone from the FBI about the laptop.

Or maybe it was all over email?

At another point he claimed a special agent from the Baltimore office had contacted him after he alerted the FBI to the device’s existence.

Ok, so maybe they contacted him?

At another point, he said the FBI reached out to him for “help accessing his drive.”

Why does the FBI need a random repair shop guy to access a hard drive?

Mac Isaac referenced the infamous Seth Rich conspiracy theory—which holds that a DNC staffer who police say was murdered in a botched robbery was actually killed off by Clinton allies because he leaked committee emails—as reason for his paranoia. He said he made a copy of the hard drive for the purposes of personal protection.

Admitting to illegally accessing a customers private information, and he's also a conspiracy theorist! Wonderful!

Mac Isaac refused to answer specific questions about whether he had been in contact with Rudy Giuliani before the laptop drop-off or at any other time before the Post article’s publication. Pressed on his relationship with Giuliani, he replied: “When you’re afraid and you don’t know anything about the depth of the waters that you’re in, you want to find a lifeguard.”

If Giuliani wasn't involved, why not clearly state so? What was Giuliani's involvemnent?

Seeming to realize he’d said too much, he added: “Ah, shit.”

So Rudy was your lifeguard? the reporters asked. “No comment,” he replied.

Oh, so he was likely in contact with Giuliani. Whooops.

This is why nobody believes this bullshit. And this is just the tip of the iceberg with the repair shop owner and doesn't involve the email metadata showing that the emails were created well after the laptop was dropped off at a random repair shop across the country from Hunter Biden's CA home.

[beanman12345]

You talking about Adam "We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower" Schiff?

I mean Trump has conned the fuck outta you, so who and what you trust is questionable at best.

[Belize]

Do we get to come up with a cute nickname for Ratcliffe too, because we're all adults who totally don't still use middle-school nicknames for people?

Ratcliffe is already kind of a fucked name, it'd be hard to make fun of him more than him being a rat

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Citation please...or are you just being factious because you have nothing to contribute to the discussion?

They're anonymous sources sorry.

Maybe when you give us who your two sources are, I'll consider giving you mine

[Milchshake]

Reminds me how much I hate people who spell Cliffe with an "e".

Since a few times a year, this obnoxious creationist, Cliffe hangs around campus trying to get students to "debate me".


My best response so far is to buy about 6 loaves of day-old-bread. And start pumping the pigeons in the vicinity.

[DocSavageFan]

They're anonymous sources sorry.

Maybe when you give us who your two sources are, I'll consider giving you mine

You post in bad faith....I should have figured as much.

[Rasulis]

The Hunter Biden story is not sticking. The fact that Trump & Biden are in dead heat in ultra-conservative Ohio and Georgia, both in the poll and early voting numbers, should tell people that.

[Machismo]

You post in bad faith....I should have figured as much.

Since this is the election thread, and you are an avowed Trump supporter. How do you justify your support of a guy who keeps white supremacists and senior advisers?

https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-mi...eitbart-emails

Now, before we try and ignore this, the leakers are named, and Miller has admitted the e-mails are his.

So, I'd like an answer as to why you think it's a good idea to vote for this? Any attempt to deflect, dodge, or ignore it, will be treated as an admission on your part of support of this very belief system.

[Belize]

The Hunter Biden story is not sticking. The fact that Trump & Biden are in dead heat in ultra-conservative Ohio and Georgia, both in the poll and early voting numbers, should tell people that.

It's almost as if it was an obviously fabricated, nonsensical story.

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You post in bad faith....I should have figured as much.

Point to me where I'm posting in bad faith. I'm just asking you to show your work for me to show you mine.

This is how arguments and debate works, both sides have to offer up evidence.

[eschatological]

You talking about Adam "We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower" Schiff?

You mean the accusations, completely unfounded, that Schiff was coordinating with the whistleblower which was never proven ever?

[Zan15]

Trump at $1.8T+ overall is willing to compromise on the State bailouts (well beyond what Senate Republicans want to give at $500B with no State bailouts)...it's Pelosi who's digging in her heels at $2.2T.

Do all those facts hurt your eyes?

This is exactly what Pelosi wants. Fuck helping people...she wants to screw them all and hold them hostage until there's a huge 1T bail out for all the Blue states that mismanaged their pension programs for decades....refusing to compromise to a more reasonable number for covid-19 related budget shortfalls.

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. I mean, it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” - Rahm Emanuel

Show me the fact that the money is earmarked to bail out blue state pension programs?
Show me the fact that she wants to fuck people?
Show me the fact she is refusing compromise while coming down from 3+ trillion?
Show me the fact republican Senate that has compromised anything above 500 billion recently?
Show me the fact republican Senate who refuses to even vote on any deal coming out of the House?
Show me the fact that the 1 Trillion is even the number and that its just for blue states?


Maybe you just don't know the definition of fact vs opinion ?

[Edge-]

You mean the accusations, completely unfounded, that Schiff was coordinating with the whistleblower which was never proven ever?

They're hanging their hat on the "We" meaning the whole committee including staffers and aides, not just actual committee members. If you interpret "we" to include them, Schiff is wrong.

But in the context, it was obvious Schiff was speaking about committee members specifically, who the whistleblower did not speak to. They spoke to an aide, who passed on general information to Schiff (no specifics, no name), and told the whistleblower to contact the IG as that's the proper way to handle these complaints.