Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Machismo]

All I'm hearing here is "the bitch was asking for it". And you people think you are different from Republicans?

Where are people saying that, please provide evidence.

[Themius]

All I'm hearing here is "the bitch was asking for it". And you people think you are different from Republicans?

Can you both read and understand words? It doesn’t seem so by your reply.

[Machismo]

Just seems like you are attacking the victim to me, the same way powerful men have done for centuries. She takes medication, she's promiscuous, she is in love with her rapist. Honestly it is pathetic the way you are defending this. Biden has a proven history of lying about intensely personal matters, it is not like his denials have any credibility.

The "changed her story" thing is a classic legal tactic in rape cases. The defense counsel cross-examines the witness and ask her about her testimony which she may not have seen for months. Inevitably there is some minor detail which she may view differently or have trouble remembering. This is then used to illustrate all her claims are false. In some cases the defendant has perfect recall: it doesn't matter, it is easy to imply she has a faulty memory to the jury without explicitly stating so.

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The progressive left has always agreed broadly with Trump on immigration, but from a completely different perspective. Bernie Sanders opposed TPP as Trump did, but on the grounds that it exploited foreign workers and undercut domestic wages, rather than simple racism. This position is relatively common on the far left.

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Honestly, you come across like a real cunt. It is a rape case being discussed, do you honestly think that type of flippancy is appropriate?

If that were the case, then why have progressives been opposing Trump's immigration policies the entire time?

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You sound like an annoying 11-year that thinks he is an intellectual.

You made a very bold claim about all you are hearing on here, and I'd hope you could provide some evidence. Alas, it appears you cannot. What's worse, I think you may actually be lying.

Now, why would someone come on here to lie about such things?

[Machismo]

Yeah it is a little over the top, the reports I'm reading. Thirsty is right.

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I could link you the procedure. I don't know if I'd be allowed to show the pictures of the aftermath. I find this repeated denial of easily verifiable information to be absolutely bizarre; you're not the only one. I feel like if you're on that side of the issue, you sort of have to numb yourself. I'm going to assume that's what's going on.

Is this the part where you admit to lying and pushing propaganda that you supposedly hate?

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That's how you are coming across to everyone who isn't a partisan corporate democrat. Someone who would cynically smear a rape victim for partisan political advantage.

I've heard the exact same arguments used against rape victims for decades.

Where are people saying what you claimed they said?

[Themius]

That's how you are coming across to everyone who isn't a partisan corporate democrat. Someone who would cynically smear a rape victim for partisan political advantage.

I've heard the exact same arguments used against rape victims for decades, mostly recently by Republicans.

Mmhm... you’re not very convincing.

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I have no interest in communicating with you further.

Says the accounting who joined today.

[Machismo]

I'm not interested in communicating with you.

That's sad, because this is an open forum. Then again, you are new here, so you probably don't know that.

Alas, in your first three comments, you made two very striking false claims.

You claimed:

The progressive left has always agreed broadly with Trump on immigration, but from a completely different perspective. Bernie Sanders opposed TPP as Trump did, but on the grounds that it exploited foreign workers and undercut domestic wages, rather than simple racism. This position is relatively common on the far left.

And:

All I'm hearing here is "the bitch was asking for it". And you people think you are different from Republicans?

Those seem to be outright falsehoods on your part. Do you care to amend or retract your erroneous claims?

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/30/62495...ation-policies

https://apnews.com/eab47f3c913645249dab8c6a13b6362e

As for your claim about what people are saying about the accuser, the very comment you reported to did not say that, making your statement objective false.

[Machismo]

I don't care what a rape apologist thinks.

Evidence, please.

I should be clear, insulting other users is a bannable offense, please be civil in these forums. If you like, I can direct you to the forum rules.

Have a wonderful day!

[I Push Buttons]

You can’t hold the “she’s a farce
” and “leftist are hypocrites” as two arguments. If she’s a farce what the fuck is hypocritical

Because both of their allegations were/are a farce. They both had/have the same amount of evidence for their allegations: None whatsoever other than their word.

Yet leftists acted like Ford was some infallible saint who could do no wrong because the person her story implicated was a dreaded orange man appointee. And most of those same leftists are now bending over backwards to make the same arguments right-wingers made in defense of Kavanaugh in defense of Biden (as they should, because those are valid arguments). Its blatant hypocrisy, and as I said, I am glad for it because its gutting that shit tier movement and destroying what little credibility it had, which is a great thing.

Because it was a movement entirely built upon bypassing courts of law and trying people in the court of Twitter opinion... Sorry, but no thanks, anyone who thinks that's how things should be done is a piece of shit.

[fwc577]

did you even read what I wrote? you must have been a pretty naive teenager to think it had no homophobia attached to it.

Uhm, no shit? You think 15 year olds actually know much of anything? Because if you do, then you're an adult who is severely fucking naive.

When I was 15, I didn't know anybody who was openly gay. It was a word. Gay may have as well been a synonym for dumb and fag might as well have been a synonym for asshole.

In my 20s, a few people I know later came out and told me they found it harmful. It was very easy to change my language because those words had no meaning to me. I had no dislike or prejudice against gay people and I remain friends with many of those people to this day.

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"Just being handsy" is also a weird take on Biden's behavior.

In comparison with that there was a recent season of Survivor (reality TV show) where a guy literally got called out, scolded and lectured by the TV crew and other participants because he touched women's shoulders without their consent or approval. They even needed to organize an off-camera sexual harassment seminar for all the participants because of it. Dude was humiliated on live TV and even removed from the show for it (because he didn't stop even a few episodes later). It's not like they were over the top with it either, it seemed all very creepy (just like Biden's touching).

So why the different standards being displayed here?

It's very weird and creepy.

What's really creepy is the fact you're so focused on Biden's transgressions and not Trumps.

[Machismo]

Which is no worse than letting people with enough money to buy off rape victims or expensive lawyers as you would prefer.

That's another bold claim, I hope you can show it to be true.

Good luck!!!

[Machismo]

Rape is a bad thing whoever does it. Why is it necessary to say this?

yes it is bad. It's also bad when people make false claims about others' stances on rape... which you have done... and the evidence was provided.

[I Push Buttons]

buy off rape victims

If money is more important to victims of sexual assault than seeking justice then who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise? Are you suggesting that said victims be denied agency in addition to being assaulted?

expensive lawyers

People have a constitutional right to counsel in this country... Are you genuinely arguing that we need mob justice because some people can afford better lawyers to defend them than others?

[Orange Joe]

I wish people would stop tearing Trump apart over misspeaks. So what if he said we need more "economic intercourse", we all knew what he meant. But they're going to rip him apart for that.

Oh wait that was Biden so it's all good.

Showing your own hypocrisy doesn't make yourself look good in any way.

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I'm sorry, but as long as you have Trump in office it's like I literally can't hear a word you're saying trying to criticize other nations.

I wonder why that is.

Also, if you dislike Trump that much, why did you make Blue Trump his main opponent in 2020 ?

Something doesn't add up.

Irrelevant to the thread subject / title.

It's 100% relevant if you are going to make claims like this.

[Felya]

People have a constitutional right to counsel in this country... Are you genuinely arguing that we need mob justice because some people can afford better lawyers to defend them than others?

To the bold... Here is someone who was suing Trump for what he did in 2016. Dropped her case, because of threats to her and her family, in September.

Former Trump campaign staffer drops lawsuit but stands by claims he forcibly kissed her
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/05/polit...ons/index.html

"I am facing a judge who openly questions whether the kiss is worthy of a federal lawsuit and has determined that Mr. Trump's history of such behavior is not relevant, and I've endured on-going threats to my safety," Johnson said. "I've decided for the sake of my family that I will not continue with the case at this time."

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If a rapist can buy off victims he can commit further crimes. Why am I having to explain this?

Because the last Trump victim is from 2016... Trump never stopped and you have yet to demand Pence replace him.

[I Push Buttons]

If a rapist can buy off victims he can commit further crimes. Why am I having to explain this?

And how would you like to go about avoiding that?

Should society:

- Invade the privacy of/spy on supposed sexual assault victims to ensure they never make such deals.
- Deny them agency so they aren't even allowed to make such deals.
- Shame them after they have made such deals?

???

What's your plan for preventing two people from engaging in a private legal agreement you disagree with?

[Felya]

You need better justice, based on the merits of the case rather than the pocket of the defendant.

Well... we have this oligarch as president and no conservative is demanding he be replaced by Pence.

[Levelfive]

Because both of their allegations were/are a farce. They both had/have the same amount of evidence for their allegations: None whatsoever other than their word.

In point of fact, this is wrong for both women.

Yet leftists acted like Ford was some infallible saint who could do no wrong because the person her story implicated was a dreaded orange man appointee. And most of those same leftists are now bending over backwards to make the same arguments right-wingers made in defense of Kavanaugh in defense of Biden (as they should, because those are valid arguments). Its blatant hypocrisy, and as I said, I am glad for it because its gutting that shit tier movement and destroying what little credibility it had, which is a great thing.

Because it was a movement entirely built upon bypassing courts of law and trying people in the court of Twitter opinion... Sorry, but no thanks, anyone who thinks that's how things should be done is a piece of shit.

And the rest is just intellectually lazy. It's easy to say "both sides" and "shit tier movement," etc., because it's a worldview that doesn't have to expand to accommodate anything nuanced and complex. Rape victims and alleged rape victims have been treated so badly--slut-shamed, impugned, fired, murdered, etc., etc., etc.,--for so long that a movement demanding an end to all that was centuries (and centuries) overdue. It never meant "believe all women," but it does mean take their claims seriously (also, don't slut-shame, impugn, fire, or murder them, please) because the rate of false claims is roughly the rate of false claims about other crimes--which is to say, non-zero but still rare. It literally just means treating sexual assault claims the same way we treat every other kind of claim, by evaluating them on the merits on a case by case basis, which, as with most efforts at progress, has been warped by the right into a blanket attack on men, and used breathlessly at every possible turn as a cudgel against the left.

[JohnBrown1917]

Rape is a bad thing whoever does it. Why is it necessary to say this?

We have had over 100 pages of Trumpers and Biden bros defending rape, it should be obvious now that they don't care if their guy who does it.

[Levelfive]

We have had over 100 pages of Trumpers and Biden bros defending rape, it should be obvious now that they don't care if their guy who does it.

And that's a lie from a chronic liar, to a totally brand new poster.

[Machismo]

Yeah it pretty much does look like that. Depressing.

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You are supporting a homophobe, a racist, a bigot, a proven liar, probably a rapist....and you are making insinuations about other people's character?

You've already made this baseless claim, but could not provide evidence.

But hey, I want to thank you for reading 100 pages of comments in the past couple hours that you have been on this site. That shows a real proactive attitude. Since you have read it all, I'm sure it will now be easy for you to back up your claims.