Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

Sorry, posted that because I was growing frustrated with the insistence on QQing from several posters about how we see Reade as not credible and Blasey Ford as credible. Didn't see the full context from the quotes in those posts.

Oh, no... I am just trying to shift this from Ford, to a Trump staffer from 2016, suing Trump for inappropriate behavior. I think that case, is closer to Reade, than Ford. It also negates all of the talking points about Trump being done with his charges, since just within 12 months, 3 new accusers came forward. It also negates the MSM conspiracy theory, because the 3 Trump accusers combined, have not seen as much attention as Reade just this week.

Simply put... Comparing Biden to Ford is bullshit, when you can compare Biden to Trump, from just the last 12 months. It suddenly would seem the opposite of what is being stated is happening.

Edit: Most of all... it means that with 47 accusations, Trump isn’t just a serial grouper and worse, he never actually stopped. There is no reason to believe Biden would do it again, even if you believe this. With Trump, we have accusers of him doing it less than 4 years ago. Why is a choice we are being told to make, result in an active grouper continue his spree, to stop Biden from doing it again... after 30 years... that doesn’t make sense.

[fwc577]

Oh, no... I am just trying to shift this from Ford, to a Trump staffer from 2016, suing Trump for inappropriate behavior. I think that case, is closer to Reade, than Ford. It also negates all of the talking points about Trump being done with his charges, since just within 12 months, 3 new accusers came forward. It also negates the MSM conspiracy theory, because the 3 Trump accusers combined, have not seen as much attention as Reade just this week.

Simply put... Comparing Biden to Ford is bullshit, when you can compare Biden to Trump, from just the last 12 months. It suddenly would seem the opposite of what is being stated is happening.

Edit: Most of all... it means that with 47 accusations, Trump isn’t just a serial grouper and worse, he never actually stopped. There is no reason to believe Biden would do it again, even if you believe this. With Trump, we have accusers of him doing it less than 4 years ago. Why is a choice we are being told to make, result in an active grouper continue his spree, to stop Biden from doing it again... after 30 years... that doesn’t make sense.

Okay, sorry then. I'm not tracking names here just reacting when someone post quotes me in general. It's usually the right-wing nutters quoting me and shifting goal posts.

[Draco-Onis]

Today I learned expecting evidence that a crime has actually been committed makes one a right-wing nutter.

There was her testimony, several witnesses that verified her account, a book written by one of Kavanaugh's frat party detailing their "adventures" in sexual assault land, other women accusers. All of this was the reason republicans limited the scope of the investigations even then literally locked it up and threw away the key so no one would read the report not to mention barring anyone else from testifying at the hearing.

[fwc577]

This whole debacle on the TV series actually was rather insightful.

I'm a very socially moderate person, so I would also be keen at moments to claim that women should get a tougher skin or such when they get touched like Biden would touch them in the hundreds of clips there are of him touching girls and women.

But these women on the reality show, or some of them, seemed very shaken and uncomfortable. Some of them started crying when asked about the situation in private, some of them were concerned that they'd be regarded as some sort of SJW, others just felt really invaded and uncomfortable whenever it happened but didn't know how to address it without being regarded as some sort of prude or SJW. There were even one or two who didn't mind the random touching or the random massages at night in the shelter.

Some even used it to try and play other members against him.

But some were really shaken and upset with it. Into tears, on the brink of feeling like they should end their participation in the game.

There is a whole range of different reactions and emotions women display when confronted with sexual harassment, and these were adult women from ages 20 to 40.

I can't imagine how terrifying or uncomfortable it must be if you were one of those 10 year old girls that randomly got touched by Biden, or someone whose livelihood depends on getting weird touches from their boss.

What kind of bullshit and lies are you spitting here? Stick to the politics of whatever shit hole you belong to. You clearly are clueless on American culture and politics in general.
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[fwc577]

Scripted reality television is straight garbage and nothing they do, either on camera or in the press is real.

[Telogrus]

"Just being handsy" is also a weird take on Biden's behavior.

In comparison with that there was a recent season of Survivor (reality TV show) where a guy literally got called out, scolded and lectured by the TV crew and other participants because he touched women's shoulders without their consent or approval. They even needed to organize an off-camera sexual harassment seminar for all the participants because of it. Dude was humiliated on live TV and even removed from the show for it (because he didn't stop even a few episodes later). It's not like they were over the top with it either, it seemed all very creepy (just like Biden's touching).

So why the different standards being displayed here?

It's very weird and creepy.

“Just being handsy” = “Just locker room talk”

[Felya]

This is the same sort of touching that Biden does, right:

Trump’s last did it in 2016, got sued until alt right nut jobs threatened her and her family. You, mr “alt right is 100% more honest” are lying to people, for some unknown gain...

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Scripted reality television is straight garbage and nothing they do, either on camera or in the press is real.

It’s the same trick they tried to pull to say Hillary lives in an iron lung. The same exact bullshit videos...

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“Just being handsy” = “Just locker room talk”

Trump’s last lawsuit for “just being handsy” was from what he did in 2016... 47 accusations, with last incident less than 4 years ago. That’s... “locker room talk”... he never stopped doing it, not just talking about how easy it is to do.

[Machismo]

The allegation is that Biden inserted a digit into the woman's vagina without her consent. But I'm guessing you actually know that, and like most in this thread only care about these things insofar as you can use it as ammunition against the other party's rapist.

The issue is that those are new allegations... and those allegations have changed.

You do know she changed her story a year ago, right?

[Felya]

The allegation is that Biden inserted a digit into the woman's vagina without her consent. But I'm guessing you actually know that, and like most in this thread only care about these things insofar as you can use it as ammunition against the other party's rapist.

I’m sorry, can you show me where I denied anything Biden did? The best you can find, is me saying I believe her, when she said Biden was honest a couple of years ago. Care to reply to anything I said? Trump was last sued for what he did in 2016, where the woman had to drop her case in September, because of threats from his supporters. You have ignored that Trump has been accused 47 times, as recent as 2016... that’s serial... that hasn’t stopped... Yet, no demand to replace him with Pence, who would never touch a woman? Pence defeats Biden and we get a guy who hasn’t assaulted women?

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The issue is that those are new allegations... and those allegations have changed.

You do know she changed her story a year ago, right?

The only one that can stop these perverts is Pence... like I said already, the only man that will never touch a woman. If we want a president that is pure, we must demand Pence take over as president. If he does not, we vote Biden or third party in protest. It is decided...

[Machismo]

I’m sorry, can you show me where I denied anything Biden did? The best you can find, is me saying I believe her, when she said Biden was honest a couple of years ago. Care to reply to anything I said? Trump was last sued for what he did in 2016, where the woman had to drop her case in September, because of threats from his supporters. You have ignored that Trump has been accused 47 times, as recent as 2016... that’s serial... that hasn’t stopped... Yet, no demand to replace him with Pence, who would never touch a woman? Pence defeats Biden and we get a guy who hasn’t assaulted women?

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The only one that can stop these perverts is Pence... like I said already, the only man that will never touch a woman. If we want a president that is pure, we must demand Pence take over as president. If he does not, we vote Biden or third party in protest. It is decided...

Hey, I also liked Buttigieg. The last time I checked, there's not a lot of women accusing him of unwanted groping.

[Felya]

Hey, I also liked Buttigieg. The last time I checked, there's not a lot of women accusing him of unwanted groping.

Pence was elected by the people, as part of Trump’s ticket, don’t try to change elections, just because you don’t like results.

[Machismo]

You were trying to characterize the allegations against Biden as him putting his hand on someone's shoulders. It is a lot more than that.

Originally, that's what Reade had claimed. She changed her story just last year.

[Felya]

You were trying to characterize the allegations against Biden as him putting his hand on someone's shoulders. It is a lot more than that.

Unless Pence replaces Trump, I am voting Biden in protest.

Edit: If you are going to play moral relativism, while holding half the deck behind your back, at least learn why you need to hide half the deck. You guys what... spent 4 years bitching about moral relativism, one would hope you’d understand it’s meaning by now.

[Felya]

I was responding to UnifiedDivide. For the record I don't disagree with you on Trump, he should be in jail for the rest of his natural life, and unless there is a great deal we don't know about Biden Trump is undeniably worse.

That’s why I support Pence... I am pure... my Biden vote is in protest. My morals are clean...

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That’s why I support Pence... I am pure... my Biden vote is in protest. My morals are clean...

I don't think one could reasonably say Pence is much better than Trump. I mean, he's not as dumb or necessarily as malicious and hateful, but he's stood by all of this and full throatedly backed the president at every turn. Yeah, it's the job, but it's not a job I feel I could do without compromising my morals and ideology.

[Felya]

I don't think one could reasonably say Pence is much better than Trump. I mean, he's not as dumb or necessarily as malicious and hateful, but he's stood by all of this and full throatedly backed the president at every turn. Yeah, it's the job, but it's not a job I feel I could do without compromising my morals and ideology.

Remember, we are using sexual assault as the only metric for eligibility. We are not discussing issues and have not for several pages. Under that specific, and only rational, the closest we get is not an unknown to replace Biden, but the man of purity and virtue... Pence...

This is about who can act morally superior. I’m getting behind the horse named Pence... when you couple that he is already the VP for accessibility to be President. There is simply no other choice that combines both, the likelihood of access and the moral shroud of Pence. But, I’m voting Biden if that doesn’t happen...

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Sorry, I should explain what I am trying to show, so it doesn’t seem like trolling. What is happening here is about a concept called moral relativism. It has been a big subject of attack by people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro. It argues that trying to compare to events on moral ground, excuses culture that is inherently bad. The problem is that everything is relative... even two polar opposites are relative, based on each other’s location.

What ends up happening to get around this everything, is that you need to simply remove one object of the relationship. In this case, because only Biden is being targeted, it’s not moral relativism. Even though on the smaller scale, it absolutely is moral relativism. It’s just sticking to one side, which acts as justification for it not seeming relative.

Pence in my argument represents the second, hidden part of the deck. You can make the same exact argument about Trump and Pence, as you can for Biden and Unknown. That’s because this is moral relativism between Trump and Biden, being disingenuously split in half, to obfuscate the issue.

[fwc577]

Pence was elected by the people, as part of Trump’s ticket, don’t try to change elections, just because you don’t like results.

The people elected Hillary. The electoral college gave the win to Trump. Let's keep the facts straight here.

[Felya]

The people elected Hillary. The electoral college gave the win to Trump. Let's keep the facts straight here.

It’s hard to balance subtly, when every feather dropping, sounds like a jack hammer.

My rant above explains it...

[Felya]

This is a bit of a fucked up way of looking at the world to be honest.

What is?

There isn't a scale of rapeyness or being morally bankrupt. Just like you can't score 'points' of honor.

If there isn’t, why aren’t you demanding Trump be replaced by Pence? That’s the problem, recognizing that it’s happening, isn’t a flaw in how I see the world. Just because I understand that the necessary evil argument that encompasses your assertions, is not that different than lesser of two evils. I would even argue it’s worse... moral imperialism...

Edit: Russia, has as part of its military and espionage wing, has troll farms to explicitly go around the world. Muddying the moral discourse around the world in its favor. If it’s not Russia waging an attack of moral imperialism... what would you call that? Is it easier that instead of blighted blankets, they use blighted rhetoric to undermine the natives, with the right way to live?

[Machismo]

What is?



If there isn’t, why aren’t you demanding Trump be replaced by Pence? That’s the problem, recognizing that it’s happening, isn’t a flaw in how I see the world. Just because I understand that the necessary evil argument that encompasses your assertions, is not that different than lesser of two evils. I would even argue it’s worse... moral imperialism...

You and I both know the answer to that, it's because this was never about rape at all. It's always been about pushing Bernie, and if that cannot happen, pushing Trump.

It's also why that very same poster dodged multiple questions about supporting Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Cuomo, and Bloomberg.