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    Trump is gaining support from African Americans, like it or not....https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...oars-60-durin/

    President Trump’s approval rating among Black voters jumped by 60% during the Republican National Convention even as Democrats and progressives sought to brand the Republican president as racist.

    A HarrisX-Hill poll released Friday showed Mr. Trump’s net approval with Black voters from Aug. 22-25, which included the first two days of the RNC, rose to 24%, up from 15% in the pollster’s Aug. 8-11 survey.

    The poll also found his approval rating among Hispanic voters during the same period increased slightly from 30% to 32%, while his support among White voters decreased by the same margin, ticking down from 54% to 52%.


    What it is now, I do not know. But for sure we will find out what percentage of the minority vote Trump will have on election day. I am not saying he will get the majority of the minority vote, but I will not be surprised if he gets a lot more than some think. Will it be enough to tip the scales to his favor? *shrugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Trump is gaining support from African Americans, like it or not....https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...oars-60-durin/
    It's weird that they are backing a white supremacist, don't you think?

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    Also - anyone see Biden creating a new Cabinet position? Secretary of Elections (stupid name, someone make it better).
    Or just properly staff the FEC and give them some teeth for enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It's weird that they are backing a white supremacist, don't you think?
    But they’re not. That was his net approval rating not likely to vote for poll. And it’s from August. Since then he’s disparaged everyone under the sun and worsened the pandemic crisis. His convention bounce is long gone...like it or not.

    Trump supporters linking the Washington Times is like Trump linking the BabylonBee.

    ‘I just post stuff in case people want to read it, nothing else. But I’ll be a passive aggressive grifter whilst doing it. Don’t mind me. The article is also 2 months old, but don’t let the facts come in the way.’

    Anyway, another supporter of fascism for the ignore list (Not you, Mach).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Trump is gaining support from African Americans, like it or not....https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...oars-60-durin/

    A HarrisX-Hill poll released Friday showed Mr. Trump’s net approval with Black voters from Aug. 22-25, which included the first two days of the RNC, rose to 24%, up from 15% in the pollster’s Aug. 8-11 survey.
    Why on earth are you posting a single poll from nearly two months ago as evidence of... anything?

    More recent polls:
    10/11-15, IBD/TIPP: 86/10%
    10/8-13, Marist: 83/16%
    10/11-13, Morning Consult: 87/8%
    10/5-12, UMass Lowell: 83/8%
    10/11-13, YouGov: 77/3%

    But more importantly, here's the most recent HarrisX poll, you know, the same one you're posting about from back in mid/late August..
    10/10-13, HarrisX: 74/9%

    I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself, I really don't.


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    We know exactly why he's doing it. He's shilling for Trump with lies and disinformation, just like his candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    We know exactly why he's doing it. He's shilling for Trump with lies and disinformation, just like his candidate.
    And he'll wave it away as "I just thought it was interesting. lol!"

    Exactly what Trump does, really. He'll say something ridiculous (and usually wildly inaccurate), get some flack for it, then backtrack and say it was just something he heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    And he'll wave it away as "I just thought it was interesting. lol!"

    Exactly what Trump does, really. He'll say something ridiculous (and usually wildly inaccurate), get some flack for it, then backtrack and say it was just something he heard.
    Isn't it interesting that a lot of people say they heard someone talking about a guy they know who says (bullshit).
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    Some different news to keep an eye on:

    House progressives warn Biden on corporate hires: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...cabinet-429736

    Left-wing House members including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressley, Raúl Grijalva and candidate Jamaal Bowman along with 39 progressive groups signed a letter, obtained by POLITICO, arguing that no C-suite level corporate executives or corporate lobbyists ought to have Senate-confirmed positions in a Biden administration.

    “Despite the unrivaled corruption of the Trump administration, the chokehold that corporate giants and the rich hold over our political system is not new," said Illinois Rep. Jesús “Chuy” García, who also signed the letter. "Their power and influence in American politics has been growing for years."


    The People Vote For Biden, but Corporations are already deciding Biden's Policies and Cabinet, disregarding the Biden Campaign Agenda: https://newrepublic.com/article/1377...illary-clinton

    Michael Froman, who is now U.S. trade representative but at the time was an executive at Citigroup, wrote an email to Podesta on October 6, 2008, with the subject “Lists.” Froman used a Citigroup email address. He attached three documents: a list of women for top administration jobs, a list of non-white candidates, and a sample outline of 31 cabinet-level positions and who would fill them. “The lists will continue to grow,” Froman wrote to Podesta, “but these are the names to date that seem to be coming up as recommended by various sources for senior level jobs.”

    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.

    This was October 6. The election was November 4. And yet Froman, an executive at Citigroup, which would ultimately become the recipient of the largest bailout from the federal government during the financial crisis, had mapped out virtually the entire Obama cabinet, a month before votes were counted. And according to the Froman/Podesta emails, lists were floating around even before that.

    Many already suspected that Froman, a longtime Obama consigliere, did the key economic policy hiring while part of the transition team. We didn’t know he had so much influence that he could lock in key staff that early, without fanfare, while everyone was busy trying to get Obama elected. The WikiLeaks emails show even earlier planning; by September the transition was getting pre-clearance to assist nominees with financial disclosure forms.

    If the 2008 Podesta emails are any indication, the next four years of public policy are being hashed out right now, behind closed doors. And if liberals want to have an impact on that process, waiting until after the election will be too late.

    Who gets these cabinet-level and West Wing advisory jobs matters as much as policy papers or legislative initiatives.
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  10. #19550
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Why on earth are you posting a single poll from nearly two months ago as evidence of... anything?

    More recent polls:
    10/11-15, IBD/TIPP: 86/10%
    10/8-13, Marist: 83/16%
    10/11-13, Morning Consult: 87/8%
    10/5-12, UMass Lowell: 83/8%
    10/11-13, YouGov: 77/3%

    But more importantly, here's the most recent HarrisX poll, you know, the same one you're posting about from back in mid/late August..
    10/10-13, HarrisX: 74/9%

    I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself, I really don't.
    Because that is what Ghostpanther does.

    He also has done that shit over and over, like posting an April poll in August.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...6#post52550336

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Trump is gaining support from African Americans, like it or not....https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...oars-60-durin/

    President Trump’s approval rating among Black voters jumped by 60% during the Republican National Convention even as Democrats and progressives sought to brand the Republican president as racist.

    A HarrisX-Hill poll released Friday showed Mr. Trump’s net approval with Black voters from Aug. 22-25, which included the first two days of the RNC, rose to 24%, up from 15% in the pollster’s Aug. 8-11 survey.

    The poll also found his approval rating among Hispanic voters during the same period increased slightly from 30% to 32%, while his support among White voters decreased by the same margin, ticking down from 54% to 52%.


    What it is now, I do not know. But for sure we will find out what percentage of the minority vote Trump will have on election day. I am not saying he will get the majority of the minority vote, but I will not be surprised if he gets a lot more than some think. Will it be enough to tip the scales to his favor? *shrugs.
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...nts-nationwide

    Tool, here is there most recient poll you already know exsist.

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...nts-nationwide

    black voters.

    Biden 74%
    Trump 9%

    NINE FUCKING PERCENT.

    Not 24% Not 15%... 9!

    Great try though trying to pawn off a old ass approval rating poll as something that is going to translate into more votes then the average over the last several elections and in most cases a lower %.

    But that is what you always do right?:
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  11. #19551
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Some different news to keep an eye on:

    House progressives warn Biden on corporate hires: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...cabinet-429736

    Left-wing House members including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressley, Raúl Grijalva and candidate Jamaal Bowman along with 39 progressive groups signed a letter, obtained by POLITICO, arguing that no C-suite level corporate executives or corporate lobbyists ought to have Senate-confirmed positions in a Biden administration.

    “Despite the unrivaled corruption of the Trump administration, the chokehold that corporate giants and the rich hold over our political system is not new," said Illinois Rep. Jesús “Chuy” García, who also signed the letter. "Their power and influence in American politics has been growing for years."


    The People Vote For Biden, but Corporations are already deciding Biden's Policies and Cabinet, disregarding the Biden Campaign Agenda: https://newrepublic.com/article/1377...illary-clinton

    Michael Froman, who is now U.S. trade representative but at the time was an executive at Citigroup, wrote an email to Podesta on October 6, 2008, with the subject “Lists.” Froman used a Citigroup email address. He attached three documents: a list of women for top administration jobs, a list of non-white candidates, and a sample outline of 31 cabinet-level positions and who would fill them. “The lists will continue to grow,” Froman wrote to Podesta, “but these are the names to date that seem to be coming up as recommended by various sources for senior level jobs.”

    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.

    This was October 6. The election was November 4. And yet Froman, an executive at Citigroup, which would ultimately become the recipient of the largest bailout from the federal government during the financial crisis, had mapped out virtually the entire Obama cabinet, a month before votes were counted. And according to the Froman/Podesta emails, lists were floating around even before that.

    Many already suspected that Froman, a longtime Obama consigliere, did the key economic policy hiring while part of the transition team. We didn’t know he had so much influence that he could lock in key staff that early, without fanfare, while everyone was busy trying to get Obama elected. The WikiLeaks emails show even earlier planning; by September the transition was getting pre-clearance to assist nominees with financial disclosure forms.

    If the 2008 Podesta emails are any indication, the next four years of public policy are being hashed out right now, behind closed doors. And if liberals want to have an impact on that process, waiting until after the election will be too late.

    Who gets these cabinet-level and West Wing advisory jobs matters as much as policy papers or legislative initiatives.
    These are legitimate concerns. The business sections I am reading imply that corporate America is already working out the details of a Biden win, and no doubt this includes who they allow in his cabinet.

    This cannot be stopped.

    If Biden wins, and I think this has a 66% chance of happening, then there are two situations.

    If republicans keep the Senate, then the Biden years will be placeholder years. A Biden administration would then just be 4 years of divided government with not too many major changes, including republicans maintaining complete control of the Supreme Court and the judiciary. What liberals should try to achieve in this case is to get the government working effectively again. Getting the EPA and FDA and Labor Department and others to do more of what they are supposed to do will be huge all by itself, and will be a lot of work. It was easy for Trump to destroy these and other departments. Rebuilding them will be a lot tougher.

    If democrats get the Senate, then in my opinion liberals need to focus on 2 or at most 3 priorities, and just keep the pressure on. One of these issues absolutely has to be Black Lives Matter (and gender inequality) issues.

    And then I would recommend liberals focusing on exactly 1 (or AT MOST 2) economic priorities to focus on and keep the pressure on. This would most likely be health care related, but there is so much that needs to be done. Focusing on one means we might get fewer and smaller victories rather than trying too much and getting blamed for things not going as fast as needed for needed victories. But we could then build on those for the future.

    It IS too late to prevent a Biden cabinet from being staffed solely by people very friendly to corporate America. This is just one more obstacle to overcome next year (and it only matters at all if Biden wins and democrats take control of the Senate).

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    Trump supporter caught being a liar. Shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post

    And why should I put so much importance to a gaming forum for input? I post stuff because I can. And it is up to the viewer to decide if it is of any value. I find some posts interesting and then make up my own mind if it is any good. There are several posters on this forum I do not care to see any comments from them and I normally never do. With some, it is best to just ignore them.
    "several"

    Umm, you left out the word "hundred".

    you can't even be honest about that, how embarrassing.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Why on earth are you posting a single poll from nearly two months ago as evidence of... anything?

    More recent polls:
    10/11-15, IBD/TIPP: 86/10%
    10/8-13, Marist: 83/16%
    10/11-13, Morning Consult: 87/8%
    10/5-12, UMass Lowell: 83/8%
    10/11-13, YouGov: 77/3%

    But more importantly, here's the most recent HarrisX poll, you know, the same one you're posting about from back in mid/late August..
    10/10-13, HarrisX: 74/9%

    I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself, I really don't.
    For one thing, you are better at digging this stuff up. lol!

    But even those show Biden is not going to get maybe even the same level of minority votes that Hillary got. 12% African Americans would vote for Trump according to the Hill/Harris poll? If that turns out true, Biden will lose a lot of votes from African Americans. I hope it is true.

    And as a side note, while I appreciate your attitude, keep in mind, I do not care what people on this forum think of me. I really don't.

    While this is not reflective of the state as a whole, I did find it interesting. For one thing, I drink the beer the section mentioned in the state comes from. lol.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...le_144457.html

    Though stoic, there’s nothing timid about this region’s backing of Trump. Howard Merrick, Schuylkill’s GOP chairman, said, “The enthusiasm is much greater than four years ago.” As Merrick noted, there’s an overwhelming demand for campaign signs at the party’s headquarters in downtown Pottsville, the county seat and home to Yuengling’s brewery. Those who stop by are often “Democrats who tell me they’re Democrat, but still ask for signs -- that didn’t happen four years ago,” he said. “If I had more signs, I could give out more at a faster rate, but I don’t have enough signs.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Left-wing House members including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressley, Raúl Grijalva and candidate Jamaal Bowman along with 39 progressive groups signed a letter, obtained by POLITICO, arguing that no C-suite level corporate executives or corporate lobbyists ought to have Senate-confirmed positions in a Biden administration.
    "Group of career politicians with no meaningful private sector experience say private sector should have no role in politics".

    Sure, anything that dilutes the power of the political class is bad for people who have invested their lives in doing politics. You can't have people who have built companies participating in the political economy of the sector they're familiar with, they're apt to do things that aren't consistent with party-line politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    And it is clear why you are not anyone I care what their opinion is. By your lack of having a discussion in a respectful and adult manner.

    And I could not care less how popular I am on here. lol! I know the crowd I am dealing with here.
    LOL you are putting someone on ignore because they said you and a "thick skull"

    Holy hell do you even realize what the candidate you support has said about people?

    for someone who says "By your lack of having a discussion in a respectful and adult manner." how on earth can you even listen to donny for more than a few minutes yet alone support him?????


    You are such the victim in these forums aren't you.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    But even those show Biden is not going to get maybe even the same level of minority votes that Hillary got. 12% African Americans would vote for Trump according to the Hill/Harris poll? If that turns out true, Biden will lose a lot of votes from African Americans. I hope it is true.
    From a strategic perspective, this is pretty useless. There aren't very many states where picking up 12% of a minority vote is helpful. If current polling data is correct, the hit Trump has taken in losing suburban whites is way more impactful than any tiny inroads he's made with black voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    LOL you are putting someone on ignore because they said you and a "thick skull"

    Holy hell do you even realize what the candidate you support has said about people?

    for someone who says "By your lack of having a discussion in a respectful and adult manner." how on earth can you even listen to donny for more than a few minutes yet alone support him?????


    You are such the victim in these forums aren't you.
    I mean, I put all Trump supporters on ignore, but that’s because I don’t fraternise with folks who enable fascism. Different yardstick altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    From a strategic perspective, this is pretty useless. There aren't very many states where picking up 12% of a minority vote is helpful. If current polling data is correct, the hit Trump has taken in losing suburban whites is way more impactful than any tiny inroads he's made with black voters.
    I disagree. It could make a difference in some important swing states, when you consider how close Trump won Penn, Mich. esp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    "Group of career politicians with no meaningful private sector experience say private sector should have no role in politics".

    Sure, anything that dilutes the power of the political class is bad for people who have invested their lives in doing politics. You can't have people who have built companies participating in the political economy of the sector they're familiar with, they're apt to do things that aren't consistent with party-line politics.
    You very much intentionally took her post way out of context.

    The problem is not that people in corporate America have a say in the government.

    It's that besides the lobbyists that they already have which have a lot of influence, in a Biden administration corporate America will have its representatives running just about every single government department and most of the sub-departments. Giving them a monopoly on power is exactly the problem, and exactly the problem she is bringing up.

    The first sentence your wrote is just a flat out lie as she is not saying anything like what you said.

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