Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Zan15]

No you have convinced yourself that these airlines will do any of these things. They won't. none of them are doing this. why are none of them doing this? they've had months and months to do this. they are suddenly gonna do this? wtf? no, they'll just fire people. they already have.

ya they def won't do it...oh wait...they have been all year and still have not even touched stock issuance to raise capital. you know, basically sell back the 50-80 billion in stock they repurchased just in the past couple years.


Just a few examples.

https://www.cbs7.com/2020/09/15/delt...yalty-program/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/...argest-debt-o/

Delta Air Lines will use its frequent flyer program to back up $6.5 billion in funding as the pandemic continues to buffet air travel.
Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) has increased the size of a planned debt offering to $9 billion, up from $6.5 billion, due to strong demand for the new debt

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...orders-pour-in



So I'll ask another question, why the airlines? Why not all the companies of the 20 million who are currently without jobs first, then we can get to the airline employees who have not been laid off yet? i think the line for free bailout money starts way back there around the corner and up the block don't you?

Or is it because its your job so of course you are the most important person to you, thus pushing for this realty to happen in a biased manor?

[beanman12345]

ya they def won't do it...oh wait...they have been all year and still have not even touched stock issuance to raise capital. you know, basically sell back the 50-80 billion in stock they repurchased just in the past couple years.


Just a few examples.

https://www.cbs7.com/2020/09/15/delt...yalty-program/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/...argest-debt-o/

Delta Air Lines will use its frequent flyer program to back up $6.5 billion in funding as the pandemic continues to buffet air travel.
Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL) has increased the size of a planned debt offering to $9 billion, up from $6.5 billion, due to strong demand for the new debt

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...orders-pour-in



So I'll ask another question, why the airlines? Why not all the companies of the 20 million who are currently without jobs first, then we can get to the airline employees who have not been laid off yet? i think the line for free bailout money starts way back there around the corner and up the block don't you?

Or is it because its your job so of course you are the most important person to you, thus pushing for this realty to happen in a biased manor?

Delta airline CEO airline is on record as not having fired almost anyone because people literally retired early or took nice severance packages. But yeah, they are still firing pilots, because well, I guess everything you suggested, isn't enough.


edit - and no, it's not my job on the line, it's specifically because it's seems like it's quite literally the only thing that has the possibility to pass. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs. nobody should be back of the line. one person suffering is too many. why are you so fervently argueing to add to the pile of people suffering?

edit2 - funny enough, since this was brought up, I'm on disability, permanently. Your taxes, not FICA but american tax payer money, keeps a roof over my head and has for about 6 years now. I get paid from the treasury and I pay nothing back. So my perception on this might be skewed, idk.

[Felya]

Did you post this because he rightfully called out Pelosi, she snapped, and ended up looking god awful? Not to surprising, I know many on her attack anyone who speak ill of team blue. Nancy even admitted she didn't want send out another check with Trump's name on it. Purely political motivation, and showing she is no better than Trump. Both bills are kind of shitty but if Trump loses the chance of getting anything past till Feb goes to near zero. The group think in this forum is disturbing.

You, as a self proclaimed progressive, think the issue with Trump and GOP version of stimulus, is his signature? Not the liability protection for corporations? Both Trump and McConnel said there will be no stimulus before the election, with the problem being both sides?

[beanman12345]

You, as a self proclaimed progressive, think the issue with Trump and GOP version of stimulus, is his signature? Not the liability protection for corporations? Both Trump and McConnel said there will be no stimulus before the election, with the problem being both sides?

It's a surprise shift. He argued like a month ago, that it's not trump's fault simply because the bill never passed on his desk, now it's because a signature on the check. whatever to shit on dem's I guess.

[Felya]

You can't allow companies to keep their employees hostage whenever it suits them. First it should be on the company and shareholdrrs to foot the bill if employee wages are at risk, instead allowing them to prioritize profits over everything else.

Logic of a person that doesn’t have to work. The very first line implies you don’t understand the worker vs employer dynamic. How is a company supposed to pay workers, when they are not making any money either? Amazon, Microsoft and Alphabet are hiring... the dow is literally driven by 5 companies.

These companies don't care about employees. They cut costs and employees constantly when their projected bottomline is in danger even if they are making record revenues.

They don’t care... but, this record revenue bullshit, applies to only a handful of companies right now.

People should not lose their jobs, but it should not be the average tax payer that foots the bill. This is the responsibility of the company and (ex- ) shareholders.

They don’t have any money either... companies are shutting down... where have you been for the last 9 months? Why do you think a stimulus is needed?

[Belize]

But he said please. Also isn’t he supposed to be weaned off his drugs?

More likely that he's being boosted to all hell for his rallies.

He wanted Biden to take a drug test, we should check how much of that was projection.

[Felya]

It's a surprise shift. He argued like a month ago, that it's not trump's fault simply because the bill never passed on his desk, now it's because a signature on the check. whatever to shit on dem's I guess.

It should be more frustrating for you, since his “team blue” bullshit, was literally in the middle of you and Zan having a heated argument. It was a canned response, that didn’t make sense in the middle of that argument.

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He wanted Biden to take a drug test, we should check how much of that was projection.

To be fair, projecting can’t be retroactive. Trump getting covid and needing drugs from embryonic research, is karmic justice.

[beanman12345]

It should be more frustrating for you, since his “team blue” bullshit, was literally in the middle of you and Zan having a heated argument. It was a canned response, that didn’t make sense in the middle of that argument.

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To be fair, projecting can’t be retroactive. Trump getting covid and needing drugs from embryonic research, is karmic justice.

Ah finally had enough of his eternal victimhood so got him on ignore, didn't even see zan respond to him, just noticed it when you responded.

[downnola]

who gives a shit about Celebrity Jeopardy? Not even people who watch Jeopardy really care about it. The only good thing to come of it was the SNL skits.

Did you post this because he rightfully called out Pelosi, she snapped, and ended up looking god awful? Not to surprising, I know many on her attack anyone who speak ill of team blue. Nancy even admitted she didn't want send out another check with Trump's name on it. Purely political motivation, and showing she is no better than Trump. Both bills are kind of shitty but if Trump loses the chance of getting anything past till Feb goes to near zero. The group think in this forum is disturbing.

This is a pretty irrational take. Either Pelosi is a corporate shill when she breaks and compromises with Republicans and lets them get away with bailing out corporations and protecting them from liability lawsuits, or she's just playing politics by not giving them everything they want up to and including reducing the amount of funding of the bill.

Look, you guys can't have it both ways. I'm not by any means a Democratic party cheerleader but the double standard from the "bernie or bust" crowd is becoming way too obnoxious. Pick a take and stick with it please.

[Felya]

This is a pretty irrational take. Either Pelosi is a corporate shill when she breaks and compromises with Republicans and lets them get away with bailing out corporations and protecting them from liability lawsuits, or she's just playing politics by not giving them everything they want up to and including reducing the amount of funding of the bill.

Look, you guys can't have it both ways. I'm not by any means a Democratic party cheerleader but the double standard from the "bernie or bust" crowd is becoming way too obnoxious. Pick a take and stick with it please.

I hope this isn’t too out of left field... How do you get your keys back from a baby that took them? Do you provide a coherent argument, about needing to get to work and pay the bills, so the baby can have toys and food? Or... do you point at something sparkly and just take the keys from a distracted baby?

Edit: Forgot to be fair and balanced... You don’t actually want the keys to go to work, but to have an affair with Karen, who looks a lot like Sarah Palin.

[downnola]

I hope this isn’t too out of left field... How do you get your keys back from a baby that took them? Do you provide a coherent argument, about needing to get to work and pay the bills, so the baby can have toys and food? Or... do you point at something sparkly and just take the keys from a distracted baby?

Edit: Forgot to be fair and balanced... You don’t actually want the keys to go to work, but to have an affair with Karen, who looks a lot like Sarah Palin.

I thought stealing things from babies was supposed to be easy?

[omerome]

So the resident gets a town hall at the same time as Biden when they should have had a debate, but the resident acted a crybaby and threw a tantrum. Why is NBC rewarding this behavior? As much as they like to cry and complain about how bad the resident has been, they are doing a great job of promoting him.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1316336209787006980

[downnola]

So the resident gets a town hall at the same time as Biden when they should have had a debate, but the resident acted a crybaby and threw a tantrum. Why is NBC rewarding this behavior? As much as they like to cry and complain about how bad the resident has been, they are doing a great job of promoting him.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1316336209787006980

Because it makes them money. Don't let these media companies fool you into thinking they have a moral compass.

[Themius]

"WHY NOT JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT?! HERE'S ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE SAYING THAT!"

"Because that's not enough, and we already did this long ago. Republicans are slow to catch up."

"BUT TRUMP JUST TWEETED HE WANTS MORE, WHY NOT DEAL WITH THEM?!"

Is he caucusing with the Republicans or something? 3 minutes in and Blitzer can't even pick a position to be morally outraged about with a straight, emotionless face.

Edit: Jesus, he's not even letting Pelosi answer the question he's fucking asking her.

"Why not call the president..."

BECAUSE HE IS NOT THE ONE NEGOTIATING THE BILL YOU FUCKING DECAYING BAG OF DNA

Like pelosi said to another idiot caster “you’re assuming they give a damn”

[Felya]

I thought stealing things from babies was supposed to be easy?

It is... it’s why both sides do it... there is no easier way to steal from a baby, because their memory capacity makes it harder for them to remember. You can just keep retreating it and the baby will not remember each time. Then... to see the differences between two similar things, requires cognitive thought. Babies don’t have that...

Both sides argument is infantile... in case I was too obtuse otherwise...

[Zan15]

Delta airline CEO airline is on record as not having fired almost anyone because people literally retired early or took nice severance packages. But yeah, they are still firing pilots, because well, I guess everything you suggested, isn't enough.


edit - and no, it's not my job on the line, it's specifically because it's seems like it's quite literally the only thing that has the possibility to pass. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs. nobody should be back of the line. one person suffering is too many. why are you so fervently argueing to add to the pile of people suffering?

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Yes its not enough, they still have a lot of room to raise capital without needing handouts from taxpayers. they can also accept loans from the treasury at near ZERO interest with collateral, but they refuse as they are holding out for bailout with no actual repayment. Basically they are looking for taxpayers to pay the full salary of everyone working at delta.

So why can't every single unemployed person get full pay then on unemployment if that is what they are looking for?

I am not the one adding to the pile, its the airlines. I cannot issue debt. I cannot issue stock to raise capital. I cannot offer collateral for Delta to borrow to pay every employee in full for another 6 months. THEY CAN.

edit2 - funny enough, since this was brought up, I'm on disability, permanently. Your taxes, not FICA but american tax payer money, keeps a roof over my head and has for about 6 years now. I get paid from the treasury and I pay nothing back. So my perception on this might be skewed, idk.

Did you work? Did you pay taxes before you were on disability?

You are also not making anywhere near a pilots salary either.

So how about we give Delta the same per person sum that you get each month or something equal to what they would get on unemployment and Delta makes up the rest??

[Milchshake]

This morning's hate read:

The Anchorage Mayor has more drama than the lower 48 put together. Every sentence gets crazier than the one before....

Bombshell: Reporter Maria Athens threatens to kill Mayor Berkowitz in disturbing voicemail




TLDR:
Mayor & reporter sext nudes. She melts on TV & slanders mayor as pedo, gets arrested on assault. Ex-escort who is niece of anti-masking diner owner tweets mom made it up to pump booze-infused cookie biz. Reporter leaves anti-Semitic profane tirade on vm. Mayor resigns.

Yikes!

[beanman12345]

Yes its not enough, they still have a lot of room to raise capital without needing handouts from taxpayers. they can also accept loans from the treasury at near ZERO interest with collateral, but they refuse as they are holding out for bailout with no actual repayment. Basically they are looking for taxpayers to pay the full salary of everyone working at delta.

So why can't every single unemployed person get full pay then on unemployment if that is what they are looking for?

I am not the one adding to the pile, its the airlines. I cannot issue debt. I cannot issue stock to raise capital. I cannot offer collateral for Delta to borrow to pay every employee in full for another 6 months. THEY CAN.




Did you work? Did you pay taxes before you were on disability?

You are also not making anywhere near a pilots salary either.

So how about we give Delta the same per person sum that you get each month or something equal to what they would get on unemployment and Delta makes up the rest??

I did work, but not enough credits to qualify for ssdi, getting disabled young kinda fucked me there. and people on unemployment att are making more then me, but only because of trump's EO otherwise they'd probably make about what I do. It's just a shitty situation, I don't want anyone unemployed. 6 years, I hate not being able to work and contribute. But I'm secure, it's just too many right now aren't.

But Delta has always been good to it's employee's. They are the exception, not the rule. They'll be fine. They most likely will all be fine, it might take a year or two to get back to fine, but they'll get there. But in the meantime, if we can keep even some people to be able to stay employed I think we should. Though if it doesn't have employee protection and has that BS liability crap mcconnell is pushing, nope, poison. which now that I think about, probably won't go through without that, and pelosi won't allow that, so even though it's the only stimulus possibility, the probability is not likely so it doesn't even really matter at the end of the day.

[Shadowferal]

I'll ask you the same thing, do you think it's a good or bad thing for Pelosi to be playing politics with millions of livelihoods? I actually think it is a good thing, now. I recently changed my mind on that.

If shes not playing politics, what is her strategy here, exactly?

She wants the 2.2 trillion.
Here's the political "logic;"
GOP dicked around forever...Trump had a shit fit and flip-flopped to this current "go big or go home" probably thinking it'll help politically since things initially were questionable in regards to the election. But the polls are now looking poorly for his side of the fence, and Pelosi is smelling GOP blood. So she's probably thinking this late in the game...fuck all yall. We'll wait a couple of weeks and see how the election goes...and hey Mitch? Didn't want to deal with me now? We'll see how you like dealing with me later..

[Zan15]

I'm agreeing with you that her current strategy is a good thing, but I think we disagree as to why.

It's pretty clear this is all political. If it really was only about getting stimulus out to people who need it, she would be open to small clean bills, like the one for the $1200 direct payments. Shes currently not.

Problem is republicans would balk right after they passed the ones they wanted and never pass a single small clean bill democrats wanted.
no compromise.

so why would democrats do that.


in the long run democrats holding out will help more people in bigger ways.
Her bills also include retro payments for unemployment up to the full 600 dollars, which would help fix a lot of problems all this delay caused. Republicans want 300-400 going forward helping no one get out of the hole they got in waiting.