Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Bullshit! Trump is literally trolling Biden supporters to not vote. You expect people to ignore that? You expect people to believe those supporting Trump for 3 years, to suddenly become Bernie supporters? How?
Does Trump winning as result, is how elections work? Is you going farther away from your ideology, based on personal indignation justified? Because my guess the reason why Trump is encouraging trolls to seed this conflict, isn’t because he doesn’t understand how politics works.Lastly I don't care what you believe or any of the Democratic cronies, but a Vote not for Biden isn't a Vote for Trump. It is the height of self aggrandizement to belief your candidate deserves every Non-vote or 3rd party vote. That's not how elections work, and it never has been.
I know we are supposed to supposed help the poor in spirit, but would you mind actually voting for Biden, so Trump doesn’t remove more of their social nets? I know your ego and principles are important, but it might be time to think about someone other than your self.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Yes, will of the people versus the establishment vote... it should say a lot, while you complain about candidates not being virtuous enough.
I see... issues don’t mater... it’s feelings of enthusiasm. Fictional lack of enthusiasm, since she did garner 3 million more votes...Hillary was a bad candidate because she had no enthusiasm.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
I think the fact that you responded to nothing, including the thing you needed to tell me is nothing, is exactly my point. This is all based on emotion... not helping people... not any altruistic claims candidates you will vote for support. You don’t actually care... this is a facade...
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What conspiracy? He tells people to do it on his Twitter... you can go check... wtf? Oh and yeah... you can’t defend your principles even on a stupid gaming forum... I’d hate to see how you do with a more sophisticated or establishment crowed than us... the stupid serfs...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
That’s fantastic... having troubles dealing with Hilary getting more votes and establishment voting Trump? Where is your will of the people? Where is your democratic socialism? I thought your bullshit was all about people fighting the establishment, now you need to defend Trump’s win, even though I am talking about enthusiasm you claim Hilary lacked? Electoral vote doesn’t measure that... what happened? Where did you anti establishment go?
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Great defense... we went from it being a conspiracy theory, to the president of US using his twitter to encourage fracturing his opponents, isn’t real life... 2/10...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
In the end, what these people want is as I described earlier, they are arguing two conflicting positions.
Position One: The Democratic Party is of course an incrementalist, centrist, and Neo-Liberal party and Universal Healthcare is just too radical and you are being a purist for expecting your policy goals to ever get enacted in your own lifetime.
Position Two: You must be as excited and enthusiastic about the Democratic Party as if it WERE enacting these policies and to point out that the Democratic Party is essentially a centrist, market oriented, Neo-Liberalism is evil divisive psyops by Putin or Trump, or Voldemort.
On the one hand Socialists are being ridiculous for expecting actual policy programs, but also its evil that Socialists aren't enthusiastic and fanatically loyal to the Democratic Party as if it were giving those policies; OH! And don't point out yourself anything said in position one because that is what is stoking divisions!
Nothing about their position makes any sense. It is gaslighting and akin to an abusive boyfriend demanding you not expect much of him, but also love him as if he were Gods gift to you.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Wow, more of your lies - the people of america, who appreciate the idea that one person should have one vote in deciding our leaders, have always pushed to get rid of the Electoral College, regardless of who wins the election (yes, even when Obama won, both times, we wanted the EC gone).
Interestingly, the only way the GOP wins the White House, at least over the past 30ish years (Bush2 reelection is the only asterix), is through the EC.
But please, keep on with your misinformation campaign - it's adorable watching you flail around in a sea of falsehoods.
You think I care if your feelings are hurt? I don't. I have no problem insulting people, that doesn't make me disingenuous. Hell, that makes me more genuine, because I don't try and pander to your fucking feelers.
Trump has been spending a shit ton of money, which is why no fiscal conservative should ever support him. it's why his supporters are blatant hypocrites. Here's the thing, they don't care if they are hypocrites, because it was never actually about spending with them... it was always racism, sexism, or simply wanting to piss off the libs.
I'm not the one saying that choosing to not vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. What it is, is a statement that you are not really a Democrat, and that's fine. But, as we've seen, there's quite a few Bernie supporters who are currently shilling for Trump. That doesn't just make them "not Democrats," that makes them Trumpsters. As for people like Theo, they are proven Trumpsters, and are doing nothing more than shitposting to try and get Trump to win. And make no mistake, that is EXACTLY what she wants.
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Then, why are you a Trumpster?
No, that’s the popular vote. The electoral vote is made by people selected by politicians. As in, the establishment selection. The popular selection, was Hilary. When you talk Americans, we voted Hilary as a whole. When you talk about establishment officials voting on behalf of the state, they voted Trump. In fact, at lest 3 in WA alone, went against popular vote and voted someone other than Hilary... strange be that... how many did that against Trump?
Yeah, defending Trump’s is a mater of principle... what happened to that democratic socialism?Defending Trump win, is a matter of Principle, because Trump played the game and won the Electoral College. The Democrats are the ones who constantly cry about the Electoral College after they lose. Perhaps Democrats should stop running their Presidential Campaigns as if they are reliant on the popular vote and play within the rules outlined in the Constitution.
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They don’t have to be... so stop acting like you support Bernie.
You don’t see the 3 million more that voted for her? Is that bias?Hillary lacked enthusiasm. I don't see how that is even debatable. Her winning the popular vote doesn't mean the lack of enthusiasm meant less people voting in 2016. People stayed home, because they didn't want to vote for Trump or Hillary.
I’m sorry, your unsubstantiated claims will not be going ignored. No matter how much you demand it...Also if you all would stop bring 2016 up, and even Bernie, as this is a thread about the 2020 General Election. If someone brings up something bad about Biden, going after Bernie or how good Hillary was *wasn't* in 2016 adds nothing.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
She is a typical politician. She say anything to get elected. She will not do anything after elected.
If you are happy with the current state, vote her.
Lots of people are not happy with the current state, especially the globalization and jobless recovery, etc.
We really don't know the true motivation of Trump.
He doesn't hate globalization. He just wants to get a good deal from China.
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Except, I have back up that claim on multiple occasions, with her own posts and threads. The same goes for her plagiarism.
I'm calling her out for being a fucking liar, and I have proven it time and time again.
Also, since you don't seem to grasp this very simple concept, I'l lay it out for you:
I. AM. NOT. A. DEMOCRAT.
It didn't work out for me in 2016, nor in 2012, nor in 2008. But, then again, I'm a libertarian, so it will never work out for us. I'm fine with that, because I'd rather be right, than win.
Stop... the goals are different between you and him. The options present is not the issue. He believes that 4 more years of Trump, will only hurt the people you claim to care about, while you prefer to vote with your indignation. If both of your goals was to help those you and Bernie claim to care about, there is only one voting option.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
On the topic of divisiveness, how is Biden picking Larry Sommers as a economic advisor not divisive but say pointing out that Biden just kicked the Left in the balls by picking Larry Sommers is divisive?
It's like you are admitting "If you just don't point out problems, than problems don't exist!" kind of thinking. Like Biden as a candidate can only work if everyone mutually decides to put wool over their eyes and ignore what is happening.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.