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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Seems like most of votes have been counted in these neutral states and they are quite clearly showing a Trump win.
    The true battleground states remain and none of them can be called. All we know now is what either candidate cant afford to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    This!

    The ads attacking Biden as socialist only reached right wingers anyway.
    So basically Biden tries to get some conservative votes, but those think he is a socialist and the socialist votes think he is too conservative...
    This is a lose lose
    This is an argument with only two points on a 2D graph... in 3D you should be able to see that the middle has greater reach, since it’s an equal distance from each gradient, in all directions. That’s the Overton window... as that center moves, so does the window...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Sooooo....Trump is going to win, right?
    It's really starting to look that way and I just don't get what people see in him.

    He's made a lot of noise and that's about it. What has he actually done that makes people think he deserves that position? I'm seriously asking, clearly there's something I'm not seeing in this man that a lot of the US does.
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    Wisconsin is going to be close. PA should be a biden win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Seems like most of votes have been counted in these neutral states and they are quite clearly showing a Trump win.
    Nah.

    Basically, the math is that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are sitting on a zillion mail-ins. If they go for Biden in the same ratio as elsewhere, Biden wins those states. Pennsylvania in particular has about 2 million uncounted votes.

    Georgia also has about a million uncounted votes, also from heavily pro-Biden areas.

    Pennsylvania supposedly won't be counted (or finished) until Friday, but the rest could be done tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Yes Trump actually beat Bernie in 2016, and he actually beat Bernie in 2020, too. Not Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden and the Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders.

    Keep deluding yourself and ignoring the problem, and keep losing.
    Uhm... Bernie lost to both of those... what sort of logic is this? Who keeps losing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    This has been true forever. People, when confronted with the issues outside of context, always favor leftist policies. It's like the discrepancy found when polling the ACA: 1) people loved the policies on an individual basis, 2) people loved the "Affordable Care Act," but 3) people haaaaaaaated "Obamacare," despite the ACA being the same thing as Obamacare, except just fearmongered by the Republicans for years under a derogatory nickname.

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    Biden is on his way to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not A Cat View Post
    It's really starting to look that way and I just don't get what people see in him.

    He's made a lot of noise and that's about it. What has he actually done that makes people think he deserves that position? I'm seriously asking, clearly there's something I'm not seeing in this man that a lot of the US does.
    Fear works...
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    This feels like 2018 all over again.

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    Trump is declaring victory and claiming there was non-existent voter fraud.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...64021167198209

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    The true battleground states remain and none of them can be called. All we know now is what either candidate cant afford to lose.
    Well, define battleground. NH, FL, MN, and to a lesser extent OH are all considered battleground. Right now it 2-2, but Trump’s two are much larger than Biden’s two are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    Biden is on his way to win.
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    This feels like 2018 all over again.
    What are you guys seeing?
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    Good speach by Biden keeping everyone calm, that is till trump's off the cuff speach soon because he never wants to be upstaged...

    its going to be full of accusations and anger and it will be the opposite of positive and calming
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    Nah.

    Basically, the math is that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are sitting on a zillion mail-ins. If they go for Biden in the same ratio as elsewhere, Biden wins those states. Pennsylvania in particular has about 2 million uncounted votes.

    Georgia also has about a million uncounted votes, also from heavily pro-Biden areas.

    Pennsylvania supposedly won't be counted (or finished) until Friday, but the rest could be done tomorrow.
    Trump is overperforming in PA in a county that has all their votes in that he won in 2016

    https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status...25009320742915
    An ominous sign for Biden in Pennsylvania: Trump running ahead of his 2016 performance in Trumbull County (Warren, near Youngstown and on the west PA border) with nearly all of the vote counted
    If you do the math, if Trump wins PA it's over even if Biden wins Wisconsin and Michigan. It's highly likely that the other counties Trump won in 2016 look similar.

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    What is happening in georgia?
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by AsariCommando View Post
    Trump is declaring victory and claiming there was non-existent voter fraud.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...64021167198209

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    I will be making a statement tonight. A big WIN!



    Posted at 12:45....tonight.....lol....so in about 16 hours?

    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Good speach by Biden keeping everyone calm, that is till trump's off the cuff speach soon because he never wants to be upstaged...

    its going to be full of accusations and anger and it will be the opposite of positive and calming
    Sounds like Trump's about to announce his victory, as was reported like a week ago, despite the math showing that no one's out of the woods yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    What are you guys seeing?
    Florida disappoints us, everywhere else looks ok. We gained seats in the house and flipped some Senate Seats.

    AZ flipping gave us life and then the Georgia mistake is giving us a possible 308 EV win.

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    Anyone familiar with the way these midwest states do their mail-in absentees?

    Here a mail-in vote is treated like a traditional vote. In some states, there's a distinction between mail-in and absentee where you need a 'valid reason' for either and they can reject ballots on grounds more than say a signature like we have here (which isn't as harsh as some states).

    Are those remote ballots already approved and just not counted or can they still be thrown out?

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