Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Timester]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...G-P-2020-11-03

A good map showing how the remaining votes can swing each state, calculated county by county.

[postman1782]

So, the only outstanding votes left in Wisconsin, is Milwaukee. Which is HEAVY Democrat. And Trump is only up 100k. They are expecting the votes any minute now on MSNBC.

[StayTuned]

It means sometimes words will come out that shouldn't.

So, like Trump?

[kamuimac]

I'll say hello from EU

what you see now is effect of last 30-40 years of systematic destruction of education system in whole west - the same happened in EU and resoult is the same - all countries of west switch to more conservative leaders .

you gotta blame also the whole SJW/woke nonsense of last years for it

people are just sick and tired of leftists

thats why Trump will win

do you know why people lie when asked who they vote for ? because they are aftraid to speak truth.

[Sorshen]

Frankly, if Trump wins, I think the idea of American Exceptionalism, and America as leader of the free world dies.

EU should/would need to isolate and freeze out American in all sorts of institutions of power, because a Trump America running unfettered through these institutions could potentially, literally cause a 3rd World War.

China and Russia will cement their recent power on the global stage as the EU will be forced to engage with them because they can no longer rely on the U.S.

And then we're all fucked.

From a domestic point of view as a Democrat - part of me thinks about taking the accelerationist stance not because I want to or think it was the best option.....but because it might be our only viable option left. If we thought Trump was bad this first term, I cannot imagine how much worse he will be in a 2nd. The bigger part of me recognizes that will cause a lot of harm to very vulnerable populations in this country. I don't know. I've been a progressive all my life, but to quote LOTR: "How do men fight against such reckless hate?"

If anything, I think this is the signal for EU to federalize and finally create a unified army. We need this.

[Kallisto]

So, like Trump?

Nah biden corrects himself and stuttering doesn't happen on twitter.

Trump is just well Trump.

[Timester]

Frankly, if Trump wins, I think the idea of American Exceptionalism, and America as leader of the free world dies.

EU should/would need to isolate and freeze out American in all sorts of institutions of power, because a Trump America running unfettered through these institutions could potentially, literally cause a 3rd World War.

China and Russia will cement their recent power on the global stage as the EU will be forced to engage with them because they can no longer rely on the U.S.

The inroads that China made all around the world the past 4 years will be tiny comparing with the next 4 years.

[Mihalik]

sip.

I get what you're saying.

Still it won Obama the elections, when the didactic middle roaders like Kerry, Hillary and now Biden keep losing (there's still some hope here).

[Zantos]

Several key states are warning it may take days to get through all of the votes to count them. Wonder when we will know for sure.

[Kallisto]

If anything, I think this is the signal for EU to federalize and finally create a unified army. We need this.

Oh god, I just realised what this means for Britain. I'm going full vegan starting tomorrow. Not because of morals but I am not eating chlorinated meat from inferior health standard farms.

[Verdugo]

If anything, I think this is the signal for EU to federalize and finally create a unified army. We need this.

Too many nationalist governments in EU for that, especialy in the east.

[Lame Pala]

Minorities who didn't vote should be very concerned about a Biden loss.

You won't be advocated for if you don't help put those in office who would advocate for you.

The Republicans don't care about minorities.

We should be very concerned about the Democrats taking their foot off of that gas pedal.

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Very disappointed in my fellow minorities for not voting in overwhelming numbers. If we don't participate in the process they won't help us. Shame

It is almost as if putting up a segregationist candidate with a long history of associating and voting with white supremacists was a bad idea.

I can't imagine why minorities wouldn't vote for someone like that.

[Kallisto]

I get what you're saying.

Still it won Obama the elections, when the didactic middle roaders like Kerry, Hillary and now Biden keep losing (there's still some hope here).

Obama ran when a glass of water with a D next to their name would have seeped the election. Because back then the economy was at its worse and Bush was hated to the point he was toxic to mccain. Trump has a cult of personality around him that is propping him up.

If going left would help then screaming socialism by the republicans wouldn't work added that Biden's manifesto is more left wing than anything since Carter.

[ohwell]

Exactly what it looks like. Exactly like people have been warning us about.

That's a load of garbage because both sides have been saying/doing the same thing. Biden won't concede and I doubt Trump will. Both have made this abundantly clear, but don't try to make it like it's one sided because Clinton and Pelosi have advised him not to concede and he's pretty much all but said he refuses to. Trump at least jokingly said he'd leave the country if he loses.

[nonameelf]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...G-P-2020-11-03

A good map showing how the remaining votes can swing each state, calculated county by county.

Winning Pennsylvania looks really tough for Biden. Michigan and Wisconsin look ok, which would give him the win. Georgia and North Carolina are also a possibility.

Going to be real fucking close no matter what.

[starlord]

That's a load of garbage because both sides have been saying/doing the same thing. Biden won't concede and I doubt Trump will. Both have made this abundantly clear, but don't try to make it like it's one sided because Clinton and Pelosi have advised him not to concede and he's pretty much all but said he refuses to. Trump at least jokingly said he'd leave the country if he loses.

why should he concede before all the votes have been counted?

[bmjclark]

Several key states are warning it may take days to get through all of the votes to count them. Wonder when we will know for sure.

I'd be willing to bet there's a pretty clear picture in the next 18 hours. If it's close and we're still missing votes from urban areas, it's likely biden's. If it's in trumps favor and the urban areas have already been counted, well...4 more years!

I really feel like this election says a lot about America tbh. Biden is not an exciting candidate by any stretch but the idea that there's a very real chance he's going to lose to Trump who is a blatant racist who refuses to denounce white supremacy and who blatantly ignores a pandemic that's killing thousands of people a day is astounding.

[nonameelf]

Too many nationalist governments in EU for that, especialy in the east.

Northern Europe was also rather against federalization. Don't know if it's changed much. In a lot of ways it is better to be a smallish nation these days, but it does limit the amount of global power you have. So it's a trade off.

[Lame Pala]

Obama ran when a glass of water with a D next to their name would have seeped the election. Because back then the economy was at its worse and Bush was hated to the point he was toxic to mccain. Trump has a cult of personality around him that is propping him up.

If going left would help then screaming socialism by the republicans wouldn't work added that Biden's manifesto is more left wing than anything since Carter.

Obama won because he campaigned on an explicitly progressive platform.

But I must say I am impressed by your denial of the obvious manifestation of literally everything the progressives predicted.

[Easo]

the idea of American Exceptionalism

One of the issues is making the whole "American Exceptionalism" a thing. It is not a thing, it is not real nor does it exist, it never has. This is how you get "proud people" sitting on imaginary achievements and never looking at their problems, cause USA is greatest, bestest, can't be wrong and all that.
It is really easy to give in to self praise.