Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Sunseeker]

I think this "Bernie would have won even biglier!" talk is not useful at this time.

Take this victory as what it is: a victory. A rejection of Trump. Two things that were sorely needed for the United States.Two things that detractors cannot take away from the democratic party.

Trying to defuse or lessen it by saying "But did the liberals really win?" is patently dishonest and, ultimately, quite harmful to actual progress.

It's a victory, yes, but far from a rejection of Trump. By the numbers, it's more or less a standard Democratic win over a Republican.

[Antiganon]

Smaller margin of victory than Obama had over Romney or McCain despite a massive "Get out the vote" campaign against the worst president in living memory.. Dems lost House seats. A significant number of Biden voters voted against Trump and not for Biden. So yes, lukewarm.

You know counting isn't done yet, and won't be for a week or so, right?

Like Biden got enough votes that it is mathematically impossible for Trump to win, which is why the election was called, but he can still run up the score in CA and NY.

[Felya]

People are wrong sometimes. Why be immature about it?

Oh right, this is MMO-C. Either way, I still dislike the far-left and I suspect you are one as this amount of sore winning is typical of them.

The nerve:

Online leftists really starting to push this anti-white rhetoric big time. I can't wait to see what another 4 years of Trump does to your psyches.

I do get a kick out of someone with your name, telling others to be mature. You think you were just wrong? You see that psyches comment as maturity?

[starlord]

Obama brought the country out of a recession despite having two houses of congress stacked against him. I'm sure Biden will succeed.

yea, apparently a lot of that is attributed to biden working behind the scenes.

[PACOX]

Yall remember this thread?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...=Kamala+Harris

Good times.

[Felya]

Smaller margin of victory than Obama had over Romney or McCain despite a massive "Get out the vote" campaign against the worst president in living memory.. Dems lost House seats. A significant number of Biden voters voted against Trump and not for Biden. So yes, lukewarm.

That’s interesting... would you mind posting crying liberals memes as you say it was lukewarm? Because I doubt all those crying liberals are having a lukewarm reaction.

[Kellhound]

You know counting isn't done yet, and won't be for a week or so, right?

Like Biden got enough votes that it is mathematically impossible for Trump to win, which is why the election was called, but he can still run up the score in CA and NY.

Not by several million.

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That’s interesting... would you mind posting crying liberals memes as you say it was lukewarm? Because I doubt all those crying liberals are having a lukewarm reaction.

Its usually not the winners that learn from victory...

[Felya]

Not by several million.

It’s the largest turn out in US history... How many times in US history has an incumbent lost? 3?

Edit: It’s 10... grats!!

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Its usually no the winners that learn from victory...

That’s fantastic... What do people learn when a country votes against an ideology by 3 million, than 4 million? When was the last time GOP was able to win the popular vote? What you are describing, is the system is rigged for elite GOP like Trump, where even beating them by more than 4 million votes is not impressive... we do it every time... without you being used to the left being shafted by elites, 4 million vote difference would be dominated... instead it’s Luke war... liberals beat Trump by 3 million and that wasn’t even a win...

[starlord]

Yall remember this thread?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...=Kamala+Harris

Good times.

from what i have seen she is the main focus of a lot of trumpers ire, for obvious reasons. woman, non-white.

[Zan15]

Smaller margin of victory than Obama had over Romney or McCain despite a massive "Get out the vote" campaign against the worst president in living memory.. Dems lost House seats. A significant number of Biden voters voted against Trump and not for Biden. So yes, lukewarm.

Over 50%, good old mandate is nothing lukewarm about it.

[xmirrors]

Is this the part where the progressives start coming out, now that they think it's safe, to whine about how Biden is a boring candidate that isn't going to get anything done? *yawn*

[Felya]

Over 50%, good old mandate is nothing lukewarm about it.

It’s because democrats losing, despite getting more votes is something republicans have gotten used to. They treated losing the popular vote as a mandate... democrats have a higher bar... for some reason...

[Kaleredar]

It's a victory, yes, but far from a rejection of Trump. By the numbers, it's more or less a standard Democratic win over a Republican.

Again, I find this notion of "well we should have won MORE!" to be a nonstarter.

Biden defeated Trump by millions of votes. He beat him soundly in the electoral college as well. People criticize Biden for "only winning" many historically red states by "only a few tens of thousands of votes," but ignore him making major inroads in other states like Texas simply because he didn't win that state overall.

That the vote breakdowns in gerrymandered counties inside states whose votes are used to tabulate an archaic vote distribution method is disproportional to the number of people voting for a candidate overall should not be seen first as a condemnation of the candidate (that won anyway,) it should be seen as a condemnation of how stupidly backwards the electoral college is.

And all of it is really just being used to argue against a hypothetical... that some other candidate might could have done even better. We'll never know. We have no proof to formulate that opinion on. No relevant statistics. No raw data. It is not a predictive hypothesis.

[Zan15]

Smaller margin of victory than Obama had over Romney or McCain despite a massive "Get out the vote" campaign against the worst president in living memory.. Dems lost House seats. A significant number of Biden voters voted against Trump and not for Biden. So yes, lukewarm.

So what you are saying is Trump's win in 2016 was not even lukewarm???

[Hinastorm]

Why do you think I'm in favor of inviting them to the table? Lincoln Project is a bunch of grifters who accomplished what they set out to do - raise money to rebuild their party. Kasich is wholly incompatible with our party.

The DSA can do whatever the fuck it wants as long as its quiet, but its not the blue print for winning elections nationwide.

Reps and Senators need to run races that make sense for their district and state and not get attached to the divisive rhetoric that has been attached to DSA/Justice Dems/etc... candidates.

Lurching to the fringe left is not the answer and neither is moving right. Fixing our goddamned messaging is the answer.

Wanting to court republicans and saying fix our messaging is kind of rich. You can't court people who think literally any help from the government is socialism.

We need to re-work education. I don't have an answer outside of that.

[Felya]

Is this the part where the progressives start coming out, now that they think it's safe, to whine about how Biden is a boring candidate that isn't going to get anything done? *yawn*

Right now it’s not progressives... it’s conservatives, because they care about progressives being treated better by liberals... totally not sowing the same division as the last 4 years.

[Hinastorm]

Is this the part where the progressives start coming out, now that they think it's safe, to whine about how Biden is a boring candidate that isn't going to get anything done? *yawn*

Well, ya, pointing out reality is often a good thing.

Not sure what you mean by now that it's safe. We've been trumpeting progressivism at all times.

[Edward Wu]

The nerve:



I do get a kick out of someone with your name, telling others to be mature. You think you were just wrong? You see that psyches comment as maturity?

You're doing a potshot at me while attempting to criticize my lack of maturity. The sheer level of cognitive dissonance.

[Kaleredar]

yea, apparently a lot of that is attributed to biden working behind the scenes.

I'm sure that's also related to Obama (and I assume Biden will as well) actually having a cabinet and filling positions with competent people who know what they're actually doing, instead of filling it with grifters trying to line their pockets like Trump did.

[Felya]

Wanting to court republicans and saying fix our messaging is kind of rich. You can't court people who think literally any help from the government is socialism.

We need to re-work education. I don't have an answer outside of that.

They can’t in the house... this is the part everyone is missing in this bitching roundabout. The “squad” gained more power, because democrats lost house seats. Regardless who it is to blame, democrats need progressives to have a majority. The alternative would mean enough justice democrats, to ignore progressives... but, not now... Biden will have to listen to progressives and has given plenty of insight that he will...