Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[dextersmith]

Like, I get we want to take a hard stance on things because we've seen too often cases where POC vote and something happens and they get thrown in prison for voting. Regardless of age, skin color, etc. It wasn't an intentional case of election fraud and she shouldn't be prosecuted or thrown in prison over it.

Very likely, when she was married (she is 94), she is from a time when things like her checkbook probably read "Mr and Mrs. James Blalock".

The whole reason we have people taking signatures and watching identification is for reasons like this. If they wanted her to sign it as Agnes Blalock and not Mrs. James Blalock, it should've been handled at the time she voted. It shouldn't have gotten to a point where a big spectacle is made on national news as fake proof of widespread voter fraud.

I don't get it. If she didn't remarry after her husband died, isn't she Mrs. James Blalock? If there is a technically here, I take it Trump wants to keep the vote since it was for him?

[Machismo]

So in the end, it looks like 538 got every state but North Carolina and Florida right. 54 out of 56, counting special state districts and DC. Will that be enough to convince Republican flat earthers to trust science and reason and the god damn news again? I doubt it.

Even then, 538 was only going by available data. The pollsters were having a difficult time nailing down how many Trumpsters like Kellhound will lie about their votes. Polls are only as accurate as the honesty of those taking them. And, it would seem that about 5% of voters are willing to lie, and say they don't actually support a racist shitbag like Trump, when they actually do.

[Felya]

I don't get it. If she didn't remarry after her husband died, isn't she Mrs. James Blalock? If there is a technically here, I take it Trump wants to keep the vote since it was for him?

Not on government records that a voting ballot would be compared to.

[ati87]

Clyburn and others however aren't wondering

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn isn't happy with his Democratic caucus for allowing slogans to dominate the narrative about their party, telling "Axios on HBO" that phrases like "defund the police" cost them crucial seats in the House and Senate.
"That phrase — 'defund the police' — cost Jaime Harrison tremendously,"

"Stop sloganeering," he said. "Sloganeering kills people. Sloganeering destroys movements. Stop sloganeering. And let's go about the business of representing people and building hopes and aspirations for people."

Rep. Marc Veasey of Texas said these slogans gave Republicans ammunition to use in “commercial after commercial” against their candidates.

Rep. Abigail Spanberger, who eked out a re-election victory in Virginia, took aim at her colleagues who have embraced the "defund the police" movement and said Democrats needed to be better at fighting the "socialism" label.


I'm sure you want to believe that.
AOC needs to stop whining...and follow Sanders' example and shut the hell up.

Sanders isn't really shutting up and frankly if she did that we would have another Trump in 2024.
Trump ran the exact same campaign as Obama with the addition of Rasim, sure he was never going to drain the swap but that's really not the point.
Obama 2008 campaign is everything that AOC and Sanders want today and which I believe Obama really wanted as well. Obama didn't fight hard enough and the results are clear, Republicans destroyed Democrats.

Edit:
Your just advocating the losing strategy that created Trump. Democrats are at least 30% to blame for "Trump" if not 50%.

[Shadowferal]

I get what you're going for, but this is a bad example. Al Franken was not just an SNL writer, but he was also a political activist, getting a graduate degree in political science from Harvard. He could have been a complete nobody in the entertainment circle, and still highly qualified.

He was amazing in Congress.

[Breccia]

He was amazing in Congress.

You could make the argument that theater training (SNL is theater) might be the single best way to prepare for public speaking.

[Shadowferal]

Sanders isn't really shutting up and frankly if she did that we would have another Trump in 2024.

Citation needed.
And winning lottery numbers.

[ati87]

Citation needed.
And winning lottery numbers.

Citation for what needed? Sanders have been campaigning for Biden as much as any other guy and he is aiming for a position in his cabinet.
And a 2024 Trump? You currently have Tucker Carlson being polled as a potential canidate and even JR.

[Shadowferal]

Citation for what needed? Sanders have been campaigning for Biden as much as any other guy and he is aiming for a position in his cabinet.
And a 2024 Trump? You currently have Tucker Carlson being polled as a potential canidate and even JR.

Hate to break it to you...

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to be frozen out of Biden cabinet, report says

Left-wing lawmakers Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are reportedly set to be frozen out of president-elect Joe Biden's cabinet amid concerns the Democrats could lose more seats in upcoming elections.
The Biden administration has to be a lot more sensitive of where you come from if you’re looking at members of Congress,” Gerry Connolly, representative for Virginia's 11th congressional district told the publication. “We cannot afford to put any seats in jeopardy.”
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The shit is hitting sooner than I expected.

[Felya]

You could make the argument that theater training (SNL is theater) might be the single best way to prepare for public speaking.

The reason I do very well in public speaking, is because I was forced into a class play in 7th grade and got an astounding reaction. That has carried my confidence from that point on. Theater has its purpose...

I once apologizing to corporate overlords, for the difficulties they felt in laying off our office... in person, with everyone from the company present. Suits were going with it, until people started laughing, as they realized what I was doing. Shit... this was in 2001... was I a troll, before trolling was a thing? Uh oh...

I do much better in public speaking, than one on one...

[kaelleria]

Hate to break it to you...

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to be frozen out of Biden cabinet, report says

Left-wing lawmakers Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are reportedly set to be frozen out of president-elect Joe Biden's cabinet amid concerns the Democrats could lose more seats in upcoming elections.
The Biden administration has to be a lot more sensitive of where you come from if you’re looking at members of Congress,” Gerry Connolly, representative for Virginia's 11th congressional district told the publication. “We cannot afford to put any seats in jeopardy.”
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The shit is hitting sooner than I expected.

Bernie and Warren wouldn't ever get confirmed either... In fact when asked if Bernie would ever get confirmed, John Thune laughed and said no.

[Milchshake]

Bernie and Warren wouldn't ever get confirmed either... In fact when asked if Bernie would ever get confirmed, John Thune laughed and said no.

It's like they need 50 dem senators or something. But picking tweeter feuds with Joe Manchin is a thing....

Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites'
ON 10/30/20


Are they being just dumb, or is sabotaging Democrats the whole point?

[kaelleria]

More law firms bail on the Trump Campaign

Another law firm has moved to drop its representation of President Donald Trump’s campaign in its flurry of lawsuits challenging the results of last week’s presidential election.

Late Thursday night, Columbus-based firm Porter Wright Morris & Arthur notified a federal judge hearing a Trump-filed suit over the election tallies in Pennsylvania that the firm is seeking to pull out of the case.

The development comes as Trump’s political opponents have sought to put public pressure on law firms assisting what many legal experts view as a meritless and likely fruitless campaign to try to thwart President-elect Joe Biden from taking office despite the fact that major media outlets have declared Biden the victor and the near-final counts showing Biden thousands of votes ahead in the key battleground states.

Some Trump critics including Republicans affiliated with the Lincoln Project have indicated they planned to pressure the commercial clients of law firms representing the campaign to drop the firms if they continued with the court fight on behalf of the president. In the motion filed at 11:53 p.m. on Thursday, Porter Wright lawyers Ronald Hicks and Carolyn McGee — who work out of the firm’s Pittsburgh office — said the campaign was “in the process of retaining and causing other counsel” to take over the case.

The attorneys said they and the campaign had agreed on the withdrawal, but Hicks and McGee were vague about the reason for their exit.

“Plaintiffs and Porter Wright have reached a mutual agreement that Plaintiffs will be best served if Porter Wright withdraws, and current co-counsel and such other counsel as Plaintiffs may choose to engage represent Plaintiffs in this case,” the filing said.

It is highly unusual for a major law firm to seek to withdraw its representation of a client in litigation so soon after it commenced. The suit in question, before U.S. District Court Judge Michael Brann in Williamsport, Pa., was filed just four days ago.

Because such a move can do damage to a litigant’s case, the withdrawal requires Brann’s approval. Porter Wright’s attempt to depart the case comes as a series of briefing deadlines loom and as Brann scheduled an argument session for Tuesday and an evidentiary hearing for Thursday on the campaign’s claims that alleged irregularities in last week’s vote justify preventing Democratic-leaning counties from certifying their vote totals.

Hicks and McGee did not immediately respond to a message Friday morning seeking comment on the development. In their motion, they said the firm would abide by its professional obligations when handing off a client and “otherwise take such steps as are necessary to avoid prejudice to Plaintiffs in this matter or to delay the Court’s consideration of this case.”

A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign and a personal attorney for Trump also did not respond to requests for comment on the development.

If Brann permits the Porter Wright lawyers to quit, the campaign will remain represented in the case by a Philadelphia-based solo practitioner, Linda Kerns.

Last week, another law firm representing the Trump campaign in similar litigation — Arizona-based Snell & Wilmer — moved to withdraw from an election-related lawsuit over results there. A judge granted the firm’s request on Tuesday.

Yet another law firm that has extensive ties to the Trump administration, Cleveland-based Jones Day, has also come under pressure for its role in election litigation.

Last week, the firm issued a defensively worded statement stressing that its work on a high-profile election-related case was not for the campaign but for the Pennsylvania Republican Party. That case, which is the subject of two pending petitions at the Supreme Court, began several months before Election Day.

In that suit, Jones Day has asked the justices to take up and overturn a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling allowing mail-in ballots received through Friday of last week to be tallied if they were postmarked by election day or appear to have been mailed by then.

In advance of the election, the U.S. Supreme Court deadlocked, 4-4, on a request to block the state court’s ruling. Last week, Justice Samuel Alito partially granted another request by the Pennsylvania GOP for an order requiring that late-arriving ballots be segregated from those that came in before the polls closed. Alito referred the issue to his colleagues for further action but no additional orders had been issued by early Friday.

[Breccia]

More law firms bail on the Trump Campaign

That's two in your post, and I mentioned a third earlier. This is an exodus.

[kaelleria]

That's two in your post, and I mentioned a third earlier. This is an exodus.

Trump's remaining PA representation specializes in Divorce...

[Breccia]

Trump's remaining PA representation specializes in Divorce...

I mean, he is divorced from reality.

[gondrin]

Trump's remaining PA representation specializes in Divorce...

Well, maybe he can go from one Trump to deciding the fate of a couple of them. I hear one relationship is on the rocks.

[Kaleredar]

That's two in your post, and I mentioned a third earlier. This is an exodus.

It’s not worth it to them to represent a lawsuit so public and with so little merit. They could get disbarred if they knowingly lie to a judge, which could undermine their whole firm.

[Thepersona]

It's like they need 50 dem senators or something. But picking tweeter feuds with Joe Manchin is a thing....

Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites'
ON 10/30/20


Are they being just dumb, or is sabotaging Democrats the whole point?

Yeah. I know that Bernie and Elizabeth are fully aware of the fact that they cannot leave their senate posts, risking a potential majority. What the could (and should) do, is recommend people for cabinet positions.

[Breccia]

It’s not worth it to them to represent a lawsuit so public and with so little merit. They could get disbarred if they knowingly lie to a judge, which could undermine their whole firm.

And if that isn't enough, the article I cited pointed out that law firms could face anything from ridicule to a boycott for, you know, directly taking part in an attack on democracy in the USA.

I wonder why they even took the case(s) in the first place? I mean, did they think "well surely if we investigate we'll find evidence" only to come up empty? Or did they say "We'll make a quick buck, then Trump will get bored and/or fire us?" What's the best excuse for the law firms who willingly took these cases, then bailed and left?