Both are needed. Safety net to make sure people can pay the rent and eat. And retraining so they can get a job that allows them to not NEED the safety net.
Hillary said "We'll fund your retraining so that as coal jobs go away you can find a new career to replace coal mining with."
Trump said "Hillary is declaring war on coal."
Coal miners went with Trump by overwhelmingly huge numbers, many lost their jobs anyways, and now have no job and no retraining and no safety net.
They absolutely and resolutely REFUSE to help themselves, and then express their anger at their sad situations in the most dramatic ways they can come up with.
And oh yeah, there are a lot of them. There are reasons why rural areas produce such a small percentage of our national GDP.
Kay, maybe understand that Wikipedia's edits are logged and are not allowed to contain original research. This article has 43 separate footnotes that can be read by anyone. Furthermore the Diebold voting machine story is pretty old and well-known. Just finding it laughable that GOP voters are whining about voter machine manipulation even though the GOP is largely responsible for creating that particular problem in the first place.
Shall we know talk about Brian Kemp's voting machine adventures?
You won't have to look very hard to find a lot of problems with voting in the US and a lot of those problems are driven by the GOP. Sometimes its voter suppression but sometimes its cheep idiocy creating a problem. States are frequently using outdated vulnerable equipment because they can not or will not update them.
Voter suppression is a much, much bigger issue than fraudulent ballots or even human error and glitches. Actual cases of fraud are exceedingly minor, typically lone individuals who added no more than a few votes illegally, and it occurs on both sides. Most of these issues are discovered and remedied before certification.
Baroque voter ID laws, closing of polling places, removing drop boxes, gerrymandering, etc. disenfranchise tens if not hundreds of thousands of voters across the nation, simply by making the process itself too difficult.
Frankly the Trump campaign's attempts to mischaracterize perfectly legal mail-in ballots as somehow being fraudulent is probably the biggest example of actual blatant voter suppression in decades, though so far it's generally only succeeded in undermining his supporters' faith in the process and not in swaying the count.
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He didn't "almost flip Texas"... that's specifically a thing he failed to do. He was off by 6% when it was rated a battleground. Texas is slowly trending more blue over time, but Biden completely failed to move the needle any more than it was already going to.
And winning back voters Hillary lost isn't progress lol. She was supposed to appeal to the middle as well, remember?
The primary is utterly irrelevant, do I really have to explain why? But you're right to point out that FL Dems saddled you with a candidate who washed out in FL. Kind of raises some pointed questions, doesn't it?
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Okay, so you're counting an establishment candidate re-taking blue states that were lost by the previous establishment candidate as a glowing endorsement of establishment candidates?
Biden won NV, which was rated light blue anyway, meanwhile he just barely managed to snag 2/6 swing states, while utterly wiping out in the two biggest: OH and FL.
Continuing to run candidates whose sole claim to the role is "electability" but get annihilated in FL and OH is a losing strategy, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that. If you can't win OH and FL then your claims of electability are completely bunk.
The conventional wisdom of the establishment wing is not working, period. It can't explain Trump's successes, and it can't explain Hillary and Biden's failures. You have two elections running to prove that to you now, it's time to open your eyes before it's too late.
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The right literally invited the mother of a murderer to CPAC to fete her, and is pouring money into his legal defence fund.
But oes noes, property damage!
...that was caused by a total breakdown of law and order under Trump.
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Please please please do come back on Jan 21st 2021. Remind me of this conversation when you do.
Fraud generally isn't an issue. However, a malfunctioning voting machine increases voting times and makes long line ups. In 2018 Georgia gave urban districts less voting machines to begin with but those machines constantly fucking up added to the problem. Biden's victory in Georgia was partially due to updated voting equipment that was set up in 2019. It helps that Georgia's current SoS appears to want more honest elections.
What does it say about this country when that's even a question?
What does it say about a country when the number of people who want "more honest elections" isn't approaching 100%?
Fuck the Trumpzi Party, their voter suppression tactics, their sinister lies, their political enablers, and their hatred of Americans disguised as "patriotism".
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Alright so I need to make a list now, and I need people to help me. Maybe @Breccia can offer his expert services.
Come Jan 21, we can expect to see:
Republicans who didn't care about the debt or deficit for the last 4 years suddenly scream about how in trouble our government's budget is, sounding alarm bells for how awful our national debt is, and how it's Biden's fault.
The unemployment rate is going to jump from 6% to 60% because why not? We all know that when Trump became president that @Ghostpanther and many others claimed that unemployment went from 60% to 6%, so why not the other way around?
That covid business that wasn't such a big deal, suddenly Republicans will care about the thousands of deaths. And yes, the bodies from the last 10 months will be piled on Biden's doorstep and Republicans will demand answers as to why Biden has not retroactively saved those people.
Any other thoughts on what Republicans will flip flop on come Jan 21?
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