Draka is a stupid choice to try to make important in Shadowlands

[Great Destiny Man]

Well it's more bucks for Metzen. More Thrall voice overs and more screen time, more cash and appearance in interviews, Blizzcon and whatever.

Pretty sure Metzen has said he's more comfortable being out of the spotlight and just does voice overs to help out/for fun. I really doubt the guy is hurting for money.

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Didn't we specifically get his phylactery during Wrath?

Or am I thinking of a different Lich?

I don't believe so, if I remember correctly the Phylactery wasn't present at all when we killed him in WotLK (unlike the Vanilla version where we handed it to Father Inigo Montoy, who apparently later took it to Northrend to resurrect him).

[TheImperios]

Shouldn't they write some good female characters first? Everyone they have has been rewritten and been shown to have such dramatic mood swings in order to fit plot wholes they become parodies of themselves... The only exception I can think of is that pally they built up in WoD but im sure they are going to ruin her with their terrible " The light is actually evil" plot

Which is why they're bringing Draka back. She's actually pretty level-headed.

[Terongor]

There was a point Ner'zhul could have prevented everything and he chickened out and passed leadership to Guldan. The clans were all gathered at this meeting had he announced the truth they would have sided against Guldan. He didn't cause he was too afraid of what would happen to him rather than what would happen to the Orcs. The Shadow Council didn't break him he was just a coward. So he willingly let Guldan destroy everything instead of trying to stop it when he had the chance.

But more importantly is what he did post Second War the sacrificing of thousands of orcs to protect himself, the destruction of Draenor, and the goal of conquering other worlds for his own . Thats why he would be in the Maw it has nothing to do with Arthas or KJ in the end he enjoyed power and was too weak to do the right thing.

Same thing for his AU counterpart he turned to necromancy and void magic because he feared Grom and was willing to do anything to show his worth.

Chronicles 2 chapter called breaking of ner'zhul which it descriped how first ancestors abbandoned him after which shadow council tortured and abused him so message is pretty clear they broke him.

Beyond the dark portal book made it pretty clear Gul'dans whispers drove ner'zhul mad and even khadgar said in the book touching the skull of gul'dan for short while could have bad side effects.

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Well it's more bucks for Metzen. More Thrall voice overs and more screen time, more cash and appearance in interviews, Blizzcon and whatever.

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Honestly, do you still believe everything written in that piece of cash milking product after all that happened in-game from WoDs to BfA???

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Aggra = waifu

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There is still one, Aegwynn and Lil boy Medhivh

Its canon until stated otherwise.

[Syegfryed]

There is still one, Aegwynn and Lil boy Medhivh

medivh isn't female, adn she was a mage, the opposite of "strong" in terms of raw power that people in maldruxx like

[vertigo12]

medivh isn't female, adn she was a mage, the opposite of "strong" in terms of raw power that people in maldruxx like

I'm quite aware Medhivh is a guy, thus "lil' boi". Medhivh has been appearing quite often in the past few expansions and we even have an encounter with an echo of his..

Medhivh and Aegwynn's name will probably pop-up or mentioned in SL atleast if not making their cameo or active role.

You have issue with the word strong when KT's having active presence himself in Maldraxxus. Wasn't he a mage at fist then a necromancer and finally a Lich?

[Nathreim]

Didn't we specifically get his phylactery during Wrath?

Or am I thinking of a different Lich?

We got it in Vanilla but not in wrath.

[Daronokk]

wanna see a trick? imagine those who believe in odin end up in christian hell! or christian happen into indian paradise!
see the problem? NO RACE can prove that their believes are right, undtill they die. and when they die? they happen in place most suited for them as individual (plus it's said that shadowlands have limitless worlds). Sometimes they able to speak from "da other side", but it's rare, and never they describe how it is.

Except in Warcraft lore many races have been able to talk to their ancestors and other spirits confirming the existance of those afterlives. They're not guessing, they know. For example, Tauren and Orcs have their own afterlives and are not represented in Shadowlands. Why is Draka in Maldraxxus instead of the Orcish afterlife?

The book Rise of the Horde describes the Orcish afterlife as some kind of eternal hunting grounds. This would be similar to the hunting grounds seen in the Odyn dungeon.

[Zorish]

Except in Warcraft lore many races have been able to talk to their ancestors and other spirits confirming the existance of those afterlives. They're not guessing, they know. For example, Tauren and Orcs have their own afterlives and are not represented in Shadowlands. Why is Draka in Maldraxxus instead of the Orcish afterlife?

The book Rise of the Horde describes the Orcish afterlife as some kind of eternal hunting grounds. This would be similar to the hunting grounds seen in the Odyn dungeon.

except not a single ancestor said anything about "how is afterlife" and many orc spirits on dranor were drawn to mountain by Naaru that needed them to restore his light, oh and draenei crypts that kept spirits from passing away? And also - why then not every orc ancestor is there? and why not every orc ancestor helping living orcs? i imagine now MILLIONS of orcs actually died, and there must be millions of "ancestors" who sit there eh? Overpopulation is a thing in afterlife i guess

[Cosmic Janitor]

Except in Warcraft lore many races have been able to talk to their ancestors and other spirits confirming the existance of those afterlives. They're not guessing, they know. For example, Tauren and Orcs have their own afterlives and are not represented in Shadowlands. Why is Draka in Maldraxxus instead of the Orcish afterlife?

The book Rise of the Horde describes the Orcish afterlife as some kind of eternal hunting grounds. This would be similar to the hunting grounds seen in the Odyn dungeon.

Uther tends to show up and haunt his tomb as well.. let's be real here, everything before SL can be considered retconned out of existence if it somehow doesn't fit the lore anymore. There are already tonns of obvious plot holes if you don't do that.

[HitRefresh]

We need to represent women

Who's an important female character who died?

Uhhhhhh UHHHHH

Draka?

And that is how they decided it

[Piamonte]

Except in Warcraft lore many races have been able to talk to their ancestors and other spirits confirming the existance of those afterlives. They're not guessing, they know. For example, Tauren and Orcs have their own afterlives and are not represented in Shadowlands. Why is Draka in Maldraxxus instead of the Orcish afterlife?

The book Rise of the Horde describes the Orcish afterlife as some kind of eternal hunting grounds. This would be similar to the hunting grounds seen in the Odyn dungeon.

i suppose they didnt want to make one of the zones horde themed, that would make people crazy. The hunting grounds is probably just another shadowlands pocket dimension that we will never visit.

[Syegfryed]

i suppose they didnt want to make one of the zones horde themed, that would make people crazy. The hunting grounds is probably just another shadowlands pocket dimension that we will never visit.

yeap, an zone with orc theme? hell no, with night elf theme? no problem

[brt2pp]

but thrall loves his mummy

[HailToTheKing]

The Four Horsemen are coming aswell, they're just not our guides to that extent, Kel'thuzad/Alexandros/Vashj are part of Maldraxxus stuff aswell it ain't only Draka.

Four Horsemen as in Sally and the gang?

[GreenJesus]

They should have chosen Aegwynn (guardian before Medivh) or something. She would be an interesting female character to get to know. We saw an echo of her on the broken shore, but that's about jt. We already met Draka in WoD. What's the point?

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If Thrall go to SL with us, we could have some serious mother/son speech with end of this depression of Thrall and we will get our daddy back.

We already met Draka in WoD. Thrall already met her there along with his dad. Plus, thrall was only a newborn baby when he left his parents. They didn't develop a real bond yet beside just being parent and son.

[Maxilian]

We already met Draka in WoD. Thrall already met her there along with his dad. Plus, thrall was only a newborn baby when he left his parents. They didn't develop a real bond yet beside just being parent and son.

To be fair, Draka nor Durotan ever knew he was their son, Thrall never mention it.

But i still think the main reason is that she is also a minor character that people won't expect a lot from

[manypillars]

The only exception I can think of is that pally they built up in WoD but im sure they are going to ruin her with their terrible " The light is actually evil" plot

Thought the plot was not the light is actually evil, so much as zealotry and extremism are a problem. In the same vein player spriests, warlocks, and void elves are heroes while the Burning Legion and the void lords/old gods are antagonists. And as a mirror image of Outland where the orcs' and draenei's roles are reversed, giving rise to a conquering army of the Light driven to purify worlds and spread the Naaru's order. Don't drink too deeply of the Light's Kool Aid just like you should be suspicious of the Void's whispers or power.

[Laughingjack]

Thought the plot was not the light is actually evil, so much as zealotry and extremism are a problem. In the same vein player spriests, warlocks, and void elves are heroes while the Burning Legion and the void lords/old gods are antagonists. And as a mirror image of Outland where the orcs' and draenei's roles are reversed, giving rise to a conquering army of the Light driven to purify worlds and spread the Naaru's order. Don't drink too deeply of the Light's Kool Aid just like you should be suspicious of the Void's whispers or power.

I mean they make you immortal or near immortal and tend to your every need. Trust the light bro

[Super Kami Dende]

Blizzard values gender diversity, and this is a good opportunity to develop Draka as a character.

Lmao sure, if you see shoehorning shit-tier characters into a story for Diversity as Healthy for a game or Narrative. Draka doesn't need Development. She's dead. WE'll leave her behind when we leave. Her entire "development" will be her guiding players.

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Thought the plot was not the light is actually evil, so much as zealotry and extremism are a problem. In the same vein player spriests, warlocks, and void elves are heroes while the Burning Legion and the void lords/old gods are antagonists. And as a mirror image of Outland where the orcs' and draenei's roles are reversed, giving rise to a conquering army of the Light driven to purify worlds and spread the Naaru's order. Don't drink too deeply of the Light's Kool Aid just like you should be suspicious of the Void's whispers or power.

The only problem being Blizzard wrote it like trash. Whereas FFXIV Shadowbringers making the Light a Malevolent force did it well.

[Gann Stonespire]

Answer to the topic creator, yes.

Lmao sure, if you see shoehorning shit-tier characters into a story for Diversity as Healthy for a game or Narrative. Draka doesn't need Development. She's dead. WE'll leave her behind when we leave. Her entire "development" will be her guiding players.

Even among female orcs there are far better candidates like Zaela who got majorly screwed in MOP, Azuka, and Griselda. We've had enough of Thrall's parents.