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  1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    I'm not even speaking hyperbolically, that's literally an angle that can be seen as countering toxicity, something that is MUCH more of a big deal, to the bottom line, in this day an age than it was at WoW's founding.
    Who even cares about 'toxicity' (wasn't Riot Lyte a sex offender or something) in wow? Who talks to people outside of their guild in WoW?



    On topic, I don't think enough is being made about how weirdly Orwellian this shit is, it's like some sort of psy-op test. Not do new players do this but they can't do old expansions (and thus be exposed to the forsaken's comical evil) and they're removing references to the war caused by the forsaken.
    It's creepy honestly.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    Who even cares about 'toxicity' (wasn't Riot Lyte a sex offender or something) in wow? Who talks to people outside of their guild in WoW?



    On topic, I don't think enough is being made about how weirdly Orwellian this shit is, it's like some sort of psy-op test. Not do new players do this but they can't do old expansions (and thus be exposed to the forsaken's comical evil) and they're removing references to the war caused by the forsaken.
    It's creepy honestly.
    Blizzard being blizzard. They can't help themselves making terrible decisions. This is actually a very valid reason to walk out and shut the door behind you.

  3. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    The problem is that in the current setup, you can please neither Saurfang's honourbros, who got their hero killed and a farce of "council" set up instead of the iconic post of warchief, nor Sylvanas' murderbros, who thought they could finally play a fully evil faction until the deep end. Btw, not even Ally players can be happy with the current story, unless you are one of those Anduin groupies laying around.
    Oh I realize that. As soon as they showed the artwork of Teldrassil burning, I knew they couldn't end it without pissing off most people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'll buy an Anduin shirt if Delaryn doesn't end up betraying Sylvanas by the end of the expansion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

  4. #484
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    That is NOT what whitewashing means in modern times.
    No, that's what it means, it's just not what it means to YOU.

  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    It does. For like, 120 members of the horde or something. Those that revelled with him. But that was a tiny, tiny , insignificant minority.
    until after the mok'gora. then it was the ENTIRE horde

  6. #486
    I don't quite like this tbh. Like half the fantasy of the horde is that you get to play the more ambiguous races to say the least. Kinda like a pirate fantasy where you are told that you are a pirate but you are not one of THOSE pirates of the past you are a good pirate. It takes away from the fantasy associated to the horde, but others might not see it that way so its not that big of a deal

  7. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Humans: Your people have a history of throwing outsiders in concentration camps and making them fight each other for sport. Your leaders have attempted genocide, and repeatedly ignored warnings about impending disaster.

    OH WAIT it doesn't actually say that, does it.
    i would also do that if someone tried that on me 2 times

  8. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by Eosia View Post
    And you go right into BFA.... Did Sylvanas burn the tree or commit a massacre in Legion? Nope. All those events are in BFA.
    Those are in the BfA pre-event which is not available anymore. The new player starting zone also don't mention these. They also removed Battle for Lordaeron, and changed the text to why people go to Kul'Tiras. So practically a new player will know nothing about these events.

  9. #489
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    Even though I absolutely hate it, it makes a sense.

    How else are you going to justify Horde existing in the first place? Recently I finally leveled my Alliance character and it left me wondering, Allies received enormous power creep with every fucking new ally - all the advanced technology and overpowered leaders.

    Horde is just fucked up, destroyed by all recent war efforts against the world threats and two civil wars. There is no option in this game anymore, you either play Alliance or shameful Alliance lapdogs. So pick your poison I guess.

  10. #490
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    rather you want to count the viking as humans or not it doesn't change that they aren't native's of azeroth they are only there because of the titans.

    its also due to them hanging out with the mogu and being around before the curse of flesh that it seems likely that they would have some kind of knowledge on where the curse of flesh races came form.

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    even if she does it kinda counteracts these openings.
    Actually they are native to Azeroth as they were created on Azeroth and from Azeroth's crust. Would you consider Dragons or Goblins non-native as they were created from stuff on Azeroth as well?(although in both cases it was creature on the planet not from the planet itself)

    Are the Aqir not native to Azeroth? Pretty much everything that exists on Azeroth only exists because of Titan/Old God influences : "The Well accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth, and before long, it caused sentient beings to evolve from the land's primitive life forms".

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Actually they are native to Azeroth as they were created on Azeroth and from Azeroth's crust. Would you consider Dragons or Goblins non-native as they were created from stuff on Azeroth as well?(although in both cases it was creature on the planet not from the planet itself)

    Are the Aqir not native to Azeroth? Pretty much everything that exists on Azeroth only exists because of Titan/Old God influences : "The Well accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth, and before long, it caused sentient beings to evolve from the land's primitive life forms".
    Would I count a bunch of bugs spawned from void entities literally lunched through space to smack into and corrupt plants natives? Of course not.

    Being a mutant like a goblin or night elf would still make you native I’d say and the dragons were around as proto drakes before there forced evolution so they count to.

    As your own quote says the well accelerated grown but it didn’t case it, without the titans or the old gods showing up these races would have still evolved on Azeroth even if the time frame was way way longer. Aliens messing around with something doesn’t mean there end result was the natural outcome.

  12. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Would I count a bunch of bugs spawned from void entities literally lunched through space to smack into and corrupt plants natives? Of course not.

    Being a mutant like a goblin or night elf would still make you native I’d say and the dragons were around as proto drakes before there forced evolution so they count to.

    As your own quote says the well accelerated grown but it didn’t case it, without the titans or the old gods showing up these races would have still evolved on Azeroth even if the time frame was way way longer. Aliens messing around with something doesn’t mean there end result was the natural outcome.
    You can't be sure those races would have evolved. Sentient species may have eventually evolved but for all we know it could have been floating kirby like creatures because the elementals destroyed everything on land before it could become sentient. Also there is a difference between natural and native.

  13. #493
    Fantasy world is just adapting to real world. Patriach/Matriach (Garrosh, Sylvanas) rulers and leaders that need to make the tough decisions and suffer under their heavy burden are a relic of the past. One man show leaders are not wanted anymore. What we got now are "Managers" that manage a democratic consensual biotope for everyone to have their opinions matter and being part of the decision making. That leads to a superficially we all love each other comfy zone with lowest common denominator results, that under the surface pisses everyone off. But to not disturb the love and the comfy, its never expressed.

  14. #494
    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    I honestly and literally think Blizz and WoW are perfectly ok with losing any and all customers/players for whom "we aren't cast as dicks in the lore? I signed on to be a dick! It's my right to be a villainous dick in this multiplayer game" is a deal breaker. I'm not even speaking hyperbolically, that's literally an angle that can be seen as countering toxicity, something that is MUCH more of a big deal to the bottom line, in this day an age than it was at WoW's founding.
    The demographic you talk about don't exist. Even if there were this hidden group of consumers who were dicks because the story has dicks in the game and they can't differentiate between reality and the game and would suddenly clear out once you didn't, the hypothetical buyer you're mentioning would do one of things - A) Take a look at any other vector like DKs, DHs, warlocks, Maldraxxus or what have you or, and far more likely, B) Notice that this same story has all good flowing out of a hereditary blue eyed blonde man and all bad coming from a strong independent woman who's savages need to be taught to like said white man and pen a fifty page screed against it on their site of choice. Those who piss off their existing playerbase to try in vain to snag a new one in this fashion lose both because the former lose interest and the latter aren't interested. It's like clockwork.

    @Boddhi

    The whole 'cosmetically diverse but ethically and behaviourally identical' thing pushed hard in BFA and these descriptions is pretty much the wet dream of that kind of mindset too, but since it's fiction, it can actually be imposed. At least until you or the consumer get bored and you switch tracks.
    Last edited by Super Dickmann; 2020-04-24 at 08:29 AM.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  15. #495
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    I don't see anything really wrong with this as that is how the write the majority of the races, you are not part of one of the rebel factions inside the race you play.

    You are the good guy or gal, the hero.

  16. #496
    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    You are the good guy or gal, the hero.
    The Forsaken care little for their allies: to them the Horde is merely a tool that may further their dark schemes.
    Convinced that the primitive races of the Horde can help them achieve victory over their enemies, the Forsaken have entered an alliance of convenience. Harboring no true loyalty for their new allies, they will go to any lengths to ensure their dark plans come to fruition. As one of the Forsaken, you must eliminate any who pose a threat to the new order – human, undead, or otherwise.
    To this end, Sylvanas has bolstered her defenses within the Tirisfal Glades and readied her undead forces for any contingency. As one of the Forsaken, you must use your cunning and viciousness to slay any who would pose a threat to Sylvanas's rule be they human, undead, or otherwise.
    The forsaken truly are the goodest boys.

  17. #497
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    The forsaken truly are the goodest boys.
    We don't talk about that, Comrade. This is Year Zero and in Year Zero the Forsaken strive tirelessly to protect the living. Unless you'd like to talk to the nice men at the camps.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  18. #498
    *gnaws on skull of night elf child*

    "I am fighting with honor to survive in a world that wants to put me and my fellow underdogs down. I am protecting the living."

  19. #499
    On that note are they going to remove cannibalise? Hard to protect the living while you eat them.

  20. #500
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    On that note are they going to remove cannibalise? Hard to protect the living while you eat them.
    Don't worry. It has already been fixed.

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