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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanmahaffe View Post
    Under 1 million subs would guarantee downsizing of the team, less content, and f2p, so yes in this case, yes it would matter.
    Game would still be a cash cow under a million subs. Even at 500k subs that's still around 90 million a year JUST in sub fees, and they've said before their MTX numbers are bigger than their sub fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftinmammals View Post
    Covid-19 response? Lol. Gosh, the entire world is being suckered right now by these global elites pushing this shit causing a lockdown on the entire planet. Wake up people. This is all bullshit that has been blown of proportion to cause society to turn into a bunch of government wanking hermits. Get outside, live life, open your businesses, and start being free people. These corporations that are going with the flow of this are falling in an orderly line with this agenda that has been set in motion years ago. Head up, people. This ain’t shit.
    Lol, as someone who lived through the virus, go fuck yourself, it is not a hoax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolaris192 View Post
    "30 million less MAU" and you think that's winning lmao
    Activision, not blizzard, maybe you should actually read the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    People are dying and you're telling more people to basically go get others killed. What the fuck.
    Yeah welcome to the stupidity of this age, I used to laugh at how apocalypse movies made stupid people. "There is zombies in the streets eating people. And you are still claiming it's a hoax!?" But now I respect how fucking accurate they got it, it's insane.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Cause they need to be joined for awhile, people playing for 1 day do not count.
    I mean, you say that, but said MAUs are exactly that. If you logged in once in the last month, that is +1. You could log in for frikkin' 30 seconds and then throw the whole thing into a garbage bin and it's still +1.

    Other than that - you don't need to be a genius to figure out that people who are sitting in their homes seek online entertainment and many of them find it in gaming, that's why various gaming publishers and so on are going so strong nowadays, because the whole situation is a huge boost for them.

    I mean look at EA, despite all the working from home and crap, it's now has the strongest showing over the last year.



    Same goes for Actiblizz



    The whole situation is terrible for many businesses and companies, but gaming and online entertainment as a whole? It's a frikkin' sudden gold mind falling on their heads.

    2020 will be THE year of online entertainment and this includes Blizzard games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyback View Post
    It’s all depending on what they excepted. If they expected 40 millions less then 30 millions is a good result.
    And again, that is Activision. Not blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    As someone living in NYC who is seeing people get sick and die I can assure you that it is not bullshit, or the flu, or a cold, or a conspiracy.
    "Your just a paid crisis actor, it's not real, it's less then 1% of 1%, it was made up by the government to control us and make us buy masks and give up our rights..." Yeah it's fucking abysmal.

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    As someone who works in health care and has a wife that works directly with COVID-19 patients, I can say you are part of the problem and pushing conspiracy theories is against the rules.

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    Report him for pushing a conspiracy theory.

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    Not sure where is says that. It says it is doing better in the east, which you guys have claimed as fake accounts for years, while retail is doing better in the west, which you guys have called the real accounts for years.

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    As far as I remember is said by December 31, 2020.

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    Just report him so he can get fucked.
    One of my friends works at a morgue in the US. I have to go double check, but I think he said they are getting more work each week then they used to in half a year. They are overbooked, and had to hire a ton of new people. Almost triple their staff.

    It's literally just fuckng idiots, sitting inside yelling about nonsense, calling stuff fake and not trusting those on the front lines who are actually seeing what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I mean, you say that, but said MAUs are exactly that. If you logged in once in the last month, that is +1. You could log in for frikkin' 30 seconds and then throw the whole thing into a garbage bin and it's still +1.

    Other than that - you don't need to be a genius to figure out that people who are sitting in their homes seek online entertainment and many of them find it in gaming, that's why various gaming publishers and so on are going so strong nowadays, because the whole situation is a huge boost for them.

    I mean look at EA, despite all the working from home and crap, it's now has the strongest showing over the last year.



    Same goes for Actiblizz



    The whole situation is terrible for many businesses and companies, but gaming and online entertainment as a whole? It's a frikkin' sudden gold mind falling on their heads.

    2020 will be THE year of online entertainment and this includes Blizzard games.
    Hey so 2 things. 1. The amount of people locked inside during Q1 was only 150 million. That is just under 2% of the population. That is not going to cause a MASSIVE spike.

    2. I love how you show stock numbers from an entire year that just have a normal constant growth over the entire year and try to say "look it spiked" not really? It just grew normally over the entire year "ea is the strongest showing all year!" Yeah... Cause over the last year it's just been growing and growing... It's not like covid 19 suddenly made it sky rocket. Same thing with blizzard it's pretty straight lines, at the end there is spikes, but you know why? Not covid 19, but because they had a good financial report.

    Of course it had some to play in both. But they were growing anyways, don't pretend that entire year of growth is cause of covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Hey so 2 things. 1. The amount of people locked inside during Q1 was only 150 million. That is just under 2% of the population. That is not going to cause a MASSIVE spike.

    2. I love how you show stock numbers from an entire year that just have a normal constant growth over the entire year and try to say "look it spiked" not really? It just grew normally over the entire year "ea is the strongest showing all year!" Yeah... Cause over the last year it's just been growing and growing... It's not like covid 19 suddenly made it sky rocket. Same thing with blizzard it's pretty straight lines, at the end there is spikes, but you know why? Not covid 19, but because they had a good financial report.

    Of course it had some to play in both. But they were growing anyways, don't pretend that entire year of growth is cause of covid.
    Yeah only 150 million people kekw totally not gonna boost online entertainment providers. All frikkin' education systems effectively shut down and what not in many countries. People staying at home and have no other entertainment other than online and fucking each others' brains out.

    Dude, the fuck are you smoking, breh? There is a huge increase in online presence and online entertainment consumption, that's why all gaming companies with decent portfolio of gaming are spiking despite the whole market crashing to shit.

    It's like you argue that water is not wet. Open your bloody eyes and turn your brain on. What you have now is a huge double whammy of more people sitting at home cut out from everything (just something akin to half the population of Europe, nothing special hurrdurr), BUT internet AND many other entertainment venues being closed shut. I mean... ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Game would still be a cash cow under a million subs. Even at 500k subs that's still around 90 million a year JUST in sub fees, and they've said before their MTX numbers are bigger than their sub fees.
    I agree it will still make money. After all the SWtor makers claim the game was a success (and has a future) by making 1 billion over 8 years..so like 125 million a year on average...though like spread to have made a lot more yearly on release than it does now.

    Still...at 500 000 subs they might downsize the team after all. Why it would mean to go f2p I don't know though. The way I see f2p models is that you have a very restricted experience for free, while full access costs about what a WoW sub costs now..so they'd be better off just sticking with a sub (and add stuff on the shop, give juicy RAF rewards or even whip out that annual pass idea again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Yeah only 150 million people kekw totally not gonna boost online entertainment providers. All frikkin' education systems effectively shut down and what not in many countries. People staying at home and have no other entertainment other than online and fucking each others' brains out.

    Dude, the fuck are you smoking, breh? There is a huge increase in online presence and online entertainment consumption, that's why all gaming companies with decent portfolio of gaming are spiking despite the whole market crashing to shit.

    It's like you argue that water is not wet. Open your bloody eyes and turn your brain on. What you have now is a huge double whammy of more people sitting at home cut out from everything, BUT internet AND many other entertainment venues being closed shut. I mean... ???
    150 million people being at home, 2% of the world population, is not suddenly going to cause a game to skyrocket as such, think of how much of the world plays world of warcraft right now, if we say 10 million, that is at its peak, we have. 0.12849080461146148%
    That means every 1, for every 800 people. 1 person plays wow.
    that means in the potential all people staying at home, we should suspect that same chance, meaning about 187500 of those people play wow, and now how many of those who are now stuck at home are suddenly going to pick up wow and play it? well we dont know, just cause your stuck at home does not mean you are going to try a new game, you may ya know... not play video games. or you know, play a game your already playing like fortnight.

    since you showed a horrid example "here is a whole year, look at how its grown!" lets look at the last 6 months, so everything on the left of this line is before the lockdown, everything on the right is after.

    oh look it was steddily growing, then the lockdown made it crash, and then it recovered and kept on the same path.


    and oh look again, steady growth, then the lockdown caused a crash, and then it recovered, and is back on its steady growth again.
    (Again there is that sudden spike at the end, but thats because of the financial report)


    Cause if you look at 5 years, it is pretty much the same as past years, constant growth, with some drops here and there.


    covid has not suddenly made stuff skyrocket, it made them plummit, and then recover, which made people well like you think it sky rocketed.
    but they have been growing constantly since the crash of november 2019 (Online market crash)
    And you take that entire year andu se it of proof of the last 2 months of "good market" no, it just normal market. yes more people are stuck at home, where games live, but less people are willing to spend money, worried they wont have enough.

    Our videos are getting insane amounts of views, but we are getting way less ad-revenue, cause companies are paying less, since more people are consuming, but less are buying.


    yes a lot of people are stuck at home, but many of them are worried they wont have enough money, we are going through an economic crash, people are not gunna suddenly spend a bunch of money they would not have before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Activision, not blizzard, maybe you should actually read the post.
    Before you get too excited about Blizz's performance, you may want to look a bit more closely at actual numbers. Blizz is still at 32 MAUs...the same number they've been at for 5 quarters now (small surge to 33 MAUs in Q3).

    Stop buying into the PR spin about everything being puppy dogs and sunshine. The reality is that even with WoW Classic propping them up, they are not doing particularly well. During Legion, MAUs were between 36 and 46. BfA saw a steady drop from 37 down to 35 to 32 and has been sitting there ever since despite "new" properties being released last year including Classic and W3.

    Sure, they are posting good financial numbers, but if their MAUs aren't going to budge, they clearly aren't making financial gains by virtue of good products, but by virtue of cutting costs...which means they are spending less than ever in providing you, the customer, much of anything.

    Just take a look at the financials - https://investor.activision.com/stat...b-0ee1ab2d3439

    Scroll down about 1/2 way to where the actual financials are compared to the year prior.

    Net revenues are down about 2% (and only that much lower because subscriptions and licensing increased), but their net income is up 13% by cutting their costs. Product costs are down by about 12% (that's money they normally spend on creating new products for you). Product development (new stuff like SL) is down 4%. Sales and marketing are up (that's the PR group that keeps telling you how awesome everything is).

    Repeat after me. Blizz is doing better financially because they are spending less on you, the customer, not because they are spending more on you and getting more customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Before you get too excited about Blizz's performance, you may want to look a bit more closely at actual numbers. Blizz is still at 32 MAUs...the same number they've been at for 5 quarters now (small surge to 33 MAUs in Q3).

    Stop buying into the PR spin about everything being puppy dogs and sunshine. The reality is that even with WoW Classic propping them up, they are not doing particularly well. During Legion, MAUs were between 36 and 46. BfA saw a steady drop from 37 down to 35 to 32 and has been sitting there ever since despite "new" properties being released last year including Classic and W3.

    Sure, they are posting good financial numbers, but if their MAUs aren't going to budge, they clearly aren't making financial gains by virtue of good products, but by virtue of cutting costs...which means they are spending less than ever in providing you, the customer, much of anything.

    Just take a look at the financials - https://investor.activision.com/stat...b-0ee1ab2d3439

    Scroll down about 1/2 way to where the actual financials are compared to the year prior.

    Net revenues are down about 2% (and only that much lower because subscriptions and licensing increased), but their net income is up 13% by cutting their costs. Product costs are down by about 12% (that's money they normally spend on creating new products for you). Product development (new stuff like SL) is down 4%. Sales and marketing are up (that's the PR group that keeps telling you how awesome everything is).

    Repeat after me. Blizz is doing better financially because they are spending less on you, the customer, not because they are spending more on you and getting more customers.
    who said i was excited? again you are taking shit out of context unbound
    dude said "blizz lost 30 mil MAU" and i pointed out "no, that was activision, blizzard lost none" and your response? "Before you get excited they didn't grow" yeah i fucking know, i didn't say they grew, i said they didn't lose any like he was saying they did.

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    "your a retard"

    its "you're a retard". If you're gonna throw insults from 2008 spell them correctly.
    Ur a R3tard*

    Dis da interweb, learn 2 spell liek ur on da interwebz! Noob!!11!

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    What is a MAU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuja View Post
    What is a MAU?
    Monthly Active Users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuja View Post
    What is a MAU?
    Monthly Active Users - In other words the number of different accounts that have logged in even if just for 1 second within that month.

    Other members on this forum however seem to behave as if it was Most Arbitary Unit to push their agenda.
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    Classic "propping them up" = One of those lines that cause painful eyerolling on pure reflex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftinmammals View Post
    You act as if you being sick by a simple virus grants you the title of being a hero. No, sir.
    I've seen exactly zero people lay claim to any hero titles upon surviving Corona.
    Ya'll be disconnected from reality. Location checks out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    Which is unfortunate, because I think game design paradigms would change if they looked more closely instead of counting everyone as a WoW MAU.
    This seems to assume that Blizzard internally doesn't know who is playing which game. I can assure you that they do. Just because it isn't reported as part of their financials doesn't mean they don't know exactly who is playing one or the other or both. They certainly don't need to tell us any of that to assess what is and isn't working between the two versions of the game.
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  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    1. Yeah 150 million... You know how little of the world that is. Here is how much of the world population that is. 1.9273633103860166
    Just about 2%
    That was just in the States. There were lock downs around the world. The US make up a fairly large portion of the WOW player base. If you don't think that requiring 150 million people stay at home is going to boost the numbers of online gaming then you are deluding yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftinmammals View Post
    Covid-19 response? Lol. Gosh, the entire world is being suckered right now by these global elites pushing this shit causing a lockdown on the entire planet. Wake up people. This is all bullshit that has been blown of proportion to cause society to turn into a bunch of government wanking hermits. Get outside, live life, open your businesses, and start being free people. These corporations that are going with the flow of this are falling in an orderly line with this agenda that has been set in motion years ago. Head up, people. This ain’t shit.
    Wake up sheeple. No seriously, you can go out as much as you want. Don't encourage others to make stupid decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    That was just in the States. There were lock downs around the world. The US make up a fairly large portion of the WOW player base. If you don't think that requiring 150 million people stay at home is going to boost the numbers of online gaming then you are deluding yourself.
    online gaming yes, but wow in particular no.
    especially since the quarantine had JUST started, and many did not take it seriously till april.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    online gaming yes, but wow in particular no.
    especially since the quarantine had JUST started, and many did not take it seriously till april.
    Online gaming includes WOW. Also, we had a stay at home order. People were taking it more seriously when it was first issued as opposed to now. You are just making assumptions now that fit your point of view. Blizzard even stated that it was the fact "Reach and engagement were particularly strong as regions introduced shelter-at-home measures through the quarter, with momentum further increasing in April". They literally said it in their earnings report. Are you saying that they are lying?

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