Night Elves, Magic & the Arcane - Common Misconceptions & Things You Didn't Consider

[Lahis]

Considering Kalimdor is the entire planet.

So you are saying Nelves have no connection to the Broken isles --- right!

After the Sundering, they really didn't have. Druids had Dreamgrove, but everything else there was just ruins from their ancient empire. Suramar, and areas surrounding it, were mostly Highborne lands, and after the Highborne were exiled, rest of the Kaldorei has little connection to Narthalas Academy or Suramar that had now secluded itself. If they had real connection to Broken Isles, they would have rebuilt some of it.

[Tanaria]

After the Sundering, they really didn't have. Druids had Dreamgrove, but everything else there was just ruins from their ancient empire. Suramar, and areas surrounding it, were mostly Highborne lands, and after the Highborne were exiled, rest of the Kaldorei has little connection to Narthalas Academy or Suramar that had now secluded itself. If they had real connection to Broken Isles, they would have rebuilt some of it.

To further this point.
The majority of those Night Elves either died, became Naga or became High Elves.

Ashenvale and North West Kalimdor has been Kaldorei land far longer than Azshara's Empire, which only dates back to at least 5,000 years, prior to the Sundering.
That would mean those regions, which weren't inhabited by the Troll Empire, were Kaldorei land, long before the Empire, have spent 15,000 years, being solid Kaldorei land.

And also, Suramar is Thalyssra's home. Why is this only a valid claim, when it comes to Tyrande? It's also Thalyssra and she has spent far longer in Suramar, than Tyrande ever did. This claim weighs only in Thalyssra's favor.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

Night elves have certain powers over my diglett if you know what i mean.

[Ardenaso]

Tyrande and Thrall had some sort of pact of non agression, but Garrosh broked the pact and returned back to the typical mindless savegery of the Orcs. Garrosh was the one to launch the assault on Ashenvale.

Yes, NElfs are really close to Tauren, don't think they are that close to Trolls.

Yea, this wouldn't have happened if Night Elves were Horde instead. I'm sure Thrall would've put Tyrande as Warchief in his absence

[Hellspawn]

After the Sundering, they really didn't have. Druids had Dreamgrove, but everything else there was just ruins from their ancient empire. Suramar, and areas surrounding it, were mostly Highborne lands, and after the Highborne were exiled, rest of the Kaldorei has little connection to Narthalas Academy or Suramar that had now secluded itself. If they had real connection to Broken Isles, they would have rebuilt some of it.

There is also the temple of Elune and all the other Druide Places beside the Dreamgroves and the night elf village in the center. Also there was the Moonguard till the beginning of Legion and there is the hidden path, which also was a night elf exclusive organization. Not to forget about the Wardens which had their headquarter on the broken isles aswell.

[Tanaria]

There is also the temple of Elune and all the other Druide Places beside the Dreamgroves and the night elf village in the center. Also there was the Moonguard till the beginning of Legion and there is the hidden path, which also was a night elf exclusive organization. Not to forget about the Wardens which had their headquarter on the broken isles aswell.

The Moonguard is a minority faction, to the old ways.

Many of the Moonguard Arcanists, after the WoTA, who fled to Hyjal adopted Druidism and shunned the practice of arcane magic.

The Moonguard we see are so small, that even they themselves say "The Moonguard is no more."

[Hellspawn]

The Moonguard is a minority faction, to the old ways.

Many of the Moonguard Arcanists, after the WoTA, who fled to Hyjal adopted Druidism and shunned the practice of arcane magic.

The Moonguard we see are so small, that even they themselves say "The Moonguard is no more."

They said that because the Nightborne killed most of its members.

[Tanaria]

They said that because the Nightborne killed most of its members.

But the other point still stand, thus.

The majority of the order have long since become Druids.
These are more of a forgotten bunch, by the main portion of Night Elf society.

[ravenmoon]

After the Sundering, they really didn't have. Druids had Dreamgrove, but everything else there was just ruins from their ancient empire. Suramar, and areas surrounding it, were mostly Highborne lands, and after the Highborne were exiled, rest of the Kaldorei has little connection to Narthalas Academy or Suramar that had now secluded itself. If they had real connection to Broken Isles, they would have rebuilt some of it.

Ah one of those people who think Highborne aren't night elves.

NEXT !!!

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There is also the temple of Elune and all the other Druide Places beside the Dreamgroves and the night elf village in the center. Also there was the Moonguard till the beginning of Legion and there is the hidden path, which also was a night elf exclusive organization. Not to forget about the Wardens which had their headquarter on the broken isles aswell.

According to Lahis, the Broken isles aren't night elven - you can't argue with that.

We are at the stage of making up our own facts. I highly doubt he hasn't played it, but in case he didn't know, at least you've pointed out.

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But the other point still stand, thus.

The majority of the order have long since become Druids.
These are more of a forgotten bunch, by the main portion of Night Elf society.

Tanaria, I've noticed you do some weird mental gymanastic, it doesn't matter if there are very few NElf druids, or very few highborne, or just 1 night elf left... those lands are night elven, night elves are druids, night elves are highborne mages, night elves and all their history is still night elven..

[Tanaria]

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Tanaria, I've noticed you do some weird mental gymanastic, it doesn't matter if there are very few NElf druids, or very few highborne, or just 1 night elf left... those lands are night elven, night elves are druids, night elves are highborne mages, night elves and all their history is still night elven..

So, by this logic - most of those lands are in fact, Troll land. It doesn't matter what was built, as much of the Empire stretched over Zandalari and Amani lands.

And Suramar is Nightborne land, thereby, Horde land as far as the common lore goes.

[Lahis]

Ah one of those people who think Highborne aren't night elves.

NEXT !!!

Highborne are Night Elves, but they were exiled from Kalimdor for 10 thousand years. Modern Night Elf civilization from North Kalimdor had nothing to do with them during that whole time, and clearly weren't keen on digging up their ruins either.

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So, by this logic - most of those lands are in fact, Troll land. It doesn't matter what was built, as much of the Empire stretched over Zandalari and Amani lands.

And Suramar is Nightborne land, thereby, Horde land as far as the common lore goes.

And not to mention, Elves are just mutated trolls. So by extension, Night Elf empire was a Troll Empire.

[Tanaria]

And not to mention, Elves are just mutated trolls. So by extension, Night Elf empire was a Troll Empire.

A Dark Troll Empire, if one wished to be technical about it.

[Arikara]

Ah one of those people who think Highborne aren't night elves.

They aren't, though. The Highborne split into the high elves, the nightborne, the naga, the satyr, and the Shendralar. None of these are part of the playable group of night elves. When you refer to Highborne, odds are that what you really mean to say is Blood Elves.

After the War of the Ancients, the Highborne very specifically split up into multiple different groups. The few that choose to stay with the long vigil group did not retain their Highborne status, did not practice arcane magic, and did not hold any pride in that heritage. They don't exist as part of that group, because they renounced their status and became commoners.

[ravenmoon]

They aren't, though. The Highborne split into the high elves, the nightborne, the naga, the satyr, and the Shendralar. None of these are part of the playable group of night elves. When you refer to Highborne, odds are that what you really mean to say is Blood Elves.

After the War of the Ancients, the Highborne very specifically split up into multiple different groups. The few that choose to stay with the long vigil group did not retain their Highborne status, did not practice arcane magic, and did not hold any pride in that heritage. They don't exist as part of that group, because they renounced their status and became commoners.

Oh and another one. Whenever Highborne is referred to, it's referring to night elves. If the high elves are mentioning it, it is referring to their specific night elven ancestors who were highborne, while they are now high elves.

Highborne becoming naga and satyr - are now naga and satyr. They are not highborne. they were. Highborne for the most part are Night elves.

Next thing you'd be saying is that High elves, naga and stayr weren't night elves, they were highboren -- ROFL. Highborne are a caste of night elves, a very famous one - which makes it a bit silly not to expect night elves to have arcane wielding night elf nobility elves for players - it's just ludicrous, especially when the lore has shown you., they aren't a race. Which is what's so amusing with all this.. People who's knowledge of lore is reading wowpedia lore snippets without buying the books and reading. or playing the game and reading the info.

[Tanaria]

They aren't, though. The Highborne split into the high elves, the nightborne, the naga, the satyr, and the Shendralar. None of these are part of the playable group of night elves. When you refer to Highborne, odds are that what you really mean to say is Blood Elves.

After the War of the Ancients, the Highborne very specifically split up into multiple different groups. The few that choose to stay with the long vigil group did not retain their Highborne status, did not practice arcane magic, and did not hold any pride in that heritage. They don't exist as part of that group, because they renounced their status and became commoners.

Well, he is correct actually, in some ways.

The Shen'dralar (Night Elf Mage Trainers) are Highborne. Highborne isn't a race - it's a hierarchy status. Before becoming a Nightborne, Thalyssra and Occuleth were considered "Highborne."

What differs though, between the era of the Empire and after the exile of Dath'Remar Sunstrider, is that the Night Elves actively rejected the lifestyles of the Nightborne and Blood Elves. They shunned arcane magical practice - most of the Moonguard swapped to Druidism and joined Furion in the dream.
It wasn't until the battered Shen'dralar Highborne Night Elves came to Darnassus, where Tyrande granted them acceptance - mind you it did take them a year and a half.

Oh and another one. Whenever Highborne is referred to, it's referring to night elves. If the high elves are mentioning it, it is referring to their specific night elven ancestors who were highborne, while they are now high elves.

Highborne becoming naga and satyr - are now naga and satyr. They are not highborne. they were. Highborne for the most part are Night elves.

Next thing you'd be saying is that High elves, naga and stayr weren't night elves, they were highboren -- ROFL. Highborne are a caste of night elves, a very famous one, they aren't a race. Which is what's so amusing with all this.. People who's knowledge of lore is reading wowpedia lore snippets without buying the books and reading. or playing the game and reading the info

And the same applies to the Nightborne.
The Nightborne are no longer Highborne or Night Elves. They are "Nightborne."

The younger nightborne and the children of Suramar, would never consider themselves "Night Elves" or "Highborne." They know themselves as "Shal'dorei."

[Arikara]

Oh and another one. Whenever Highborne is referred to, it's referring to night elves. If the high elves are mentioning it, it is referring to their specific night elven ancestors who were highborne, while they are now high elves.

Highborne becoming naga and satyr - are now naga and satyr. They are not highborne. they were. Highborne for the most part are Night elves.

Read these two sentences again. You're literally contradicting yourself.

When Highborne are referred to, they're referred to as something that existed in the past. Splinter groups continue to exist, but by and large, they're no longer Highborne.

When silly people like you and the OP talk about Highborne, you're talking about a group of people that once existed, but no longer does. The imaginary group of people you really mean to address in your quest to paint night elves as being super awesome mages are the Blood Elves.

The Shen'dralar (Night Elf Mage Trainers) are Highborne. Highborne isn't a race - it's a hierarchy status. Before becoming a Nightborne, Thalyssra and Occuleth were considered "Highborne."

Yeah, sure, the mage trainers are Shen'dralar, which once were Highborne. Not sure they qualify as still being Highborne, given that there hasn't been any status for them to exist as compared to another group for a very long time, but that's semantics. However, the playable mage Nelves (who are a terrible mistake, but that's a different discussion) are not Shen'dralar, and are not Highborne.

[Tuor]

Considering Kalimdor is the entire planet.

So you are saying Nelves have no connection to the Broken isles --- right!

I haven't played WoW since cata, so i haven't see the broken islands, but as far i'm aware, no, NElfs don't have a shit to do with anything outside Kalimdor. The Highborne had. I said this so many times by now, NElf isn't a race, its the faction inside the Kaldorei that banned magic.

Creative and limitation don't go together. "only solution?"

Speaking the true, i don't think NElfs will ever again have a city of their own... And if they had one, it would desert of players just like SW and Ogrimar...

[Mace]

Everyone involved in the Army of the Black Moon, has a voice and should be involved in the new home-base in Darkshore.
Worgen and Gilnean Humans are part of said Army. Worgen and Gilnean Humans should be considered and probably will be. Worgen and Night Elves are very good friends and share a lot in common. Just like Nightborne and Blood Elves.

If blizzard want they can do that, is that what you want?

However make no mistake about it, it's not a "must" - look at you dictating what should be. Nelves and worgen aren't joined at the hip. And last I checked, Worgen had their own home in Glineas city. Blizzard could design a nelf home that is partially for worgen if they want, they could design a nelf home that has quarters for every alliance race.

I don't see the point really, Nelves already have cities and their own architecture and stuff, as do worgen - but o blizzard "MUST" do as you say.

[Tanaria]

Yeah, sure, the mage trainers are Shen'dralar, which once were Highborne. Not sure they qualify as still being Highborne, given that there hasn't been any status for them to exist as compared to another group for a very long time, but that's semantics. However, the playable mage Nelves (who are a terrible mistake, but that's a different discussion) are not Shen'dralar, and are not Highborne.

The Shen'dralar do still consider themselves "Highborne." Granted, their appearance is not much different to the general night elf populace, but as far as the lore goes, the Shen'dralar refer to themselves as "Highborne." The conversation between Mordent and Sentinel Stillbough is a reflection of how the Highborne view themselves.

"We will not turn our backs on who we are."

Although, I do agree with you - Night Elf Mages shouldn't have been playable. Their was a clear distinction between Night Elves and Blood Elves in TBC and WoTLK. It was good, but in Cataclysm. Night Elf Mages were and are weak...it's like a weak blood elven mage, but with purple skin and markings.

If blizzard want they can do that, is that what you want?

However make no mistake about it, it's not a "must" - look at you dictating what should be. Nelves and worgen aren't joined at the hip. And last I checked, Worgen had their own home in Glineas city. Blizzard could design a nelf home that is partially for worgen if they want, they could design a nelf home that has quarters for every alliance race.

I don't see the point really, Nelves already have cities and their own architecture and stuff, as do worgen - but o blizzard "MUST" do as you say.

I say things as they stand in the lore.
The newest and latest story about the Night Elves surrounds the Army of the Black Moon and the reclamation of Darkshore.

If they get a city, it should - to follow the story, which can be too much when it comes to Blizzard, be consistent and be in Darkshore. Close the story, in so many ways and show development about what the new Night Elf and Worgen army have been doing.

[Mace]

Oh and another one. Whenever Highborne is referred to, it's referring to night elves. If the high elves are mentioning it, it is referring to their specific night elven ancestors who were highborne, while they are now high elves.

Highborne becoming naga and satyr - are now naga and satyr. They are not highborne. they were. Highborne for the most part are Night elves.

Next thing you'd be saying is that High elves, naga and stayr weren't night elves, they were highboren -- ROFL. Highborne are a caste of night elves, a very famous one, they aren't a race. Which is what's so amusing with all this.. People who's knowledge of lore is reading wowpedia lore snippets without buying the books and reading. or playing the game and reading the info

That circle seem desperate for night elves not to be Highborne - it's silly, because Highborne are night elves and the night elf mage you play is one, not to mention a faction of them are now united with the Darnassians.

I feel I am teaching kids who suddenly forget what they were shown just the other day.