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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Timewarp doesn't really mean anything. We had one after WotLK.
    When did that happen?

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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Angrie View Post
    Well, Ion said we're going to deal with Sargeras' sword at some point. Since Blizzard works 2 expansions in front of live. That would mean 10.0-3 would be dealing with that sword and most likely the Void.

    If there is a time shift, that means we need to pay attention to who comes to the shadowlands with us. Jaina, Anduin, Thrall, (insert mortals-anything but an troll//undead/elf/draenei) will age if not in SL. From the comic, Anduin is an old man. This would mean we might see mortals randomly pop up in the Shadowlands. Might be a 9.3 moment where we get aid from "champions" who died during the time spent in Shadowlands.

    This makes me question why Tyrande is confirmed in SL. She's already immortal in the sense of aging slowly. They spent time on Jaina, so if she doesn't come with us, she'll surely die off. Then there's bringing Thrall back into the picture, if he doesn't come, he'll be dead too. Also can't forget the entire Horde council - most of them age and will look entirely different if we jump to Anduin being an old man.

    I have a feeling if they don't fill in the plot holes, the story is going to become an extreme mess. I can already see 10.0 being the Dragon Isles/Void Expansion with Chromie taking us back to see what happened while we were in SL. I hope not, it's better to just leave characters dead. I can also see Wrathion/Ebonhorn having a ties to the Dragon Isles and the Void corrupting them.

    i think in the "macro" storytelling, it can line up and seem cool. I think the loose ends will be too hard to wrap up.
    They don't necessarily have to kill off all the characters who stay behind. 10.0 could feature a mix of new heroes and older characters who have aged.

    The Humans would be lead by an old and wise Anduin.
    As the two immortal leaders of the Alliance, Tyrande and Velen will still lead their people.
    Dagran will be of age and leading the Dwarves.
    Mekkatorque is old already so I expect he'd die of old age during the skip. A good chance to bring in a new Gnome hero.
    Genn will have passed away as well, leaving Tess in charge of the Worgen.
    The Tushui are lead by an older Aysa Cloudsinger

    On the Horde:

    Durak, son of Thrall leads the Orcs while his father wanders the earth as a wise and ancient shaman.
    Baine is the ancient leader of the Tauren and spiritual leader of the Horde.
    Lor'themar is immortal and Lillian Voss probably isn't going anywhere soon either.
    Gazlowe has just been instated as a new goblin leader and is well liked so I can see him sticking around.
    I can see a new hero leading the Trolls as currently they don't have much a leader.
    I think a new leader for the Huojin Pandaren would work as well - the Huojin Pandaren work best with a young hotheaded leader.

  4. #144
    Considering the changes made to the leveling experience it makes sense for a revamp. The tricky part would be the flow from the new 1-10 experience into the new time skip content, especially if existing players are able to skip Shadowlands.

    A work around would be if the new 1-10 experience was followed by a quest that pulls you into Shadowlands, you experience a quest line that runs alongside the ending events of Shadowlands, then you get spat out into the revamped world where you're able to level from 10-60 in the re imagined zones with updated story or the Chromie zones, and 60-70 would be in a few end zones that exist in the reimagined Azeroth.

    A bit ambitious but would be cool.

  5. #145
    Except that our character can walk between "real" world and Shadowlands and it's explained in-game, so time skip makes no sense unless something goes down in the final raid.

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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Angrie View Post
    Well, Ion said we're going to deal with Sargeras' sword at some point. Since Blizzard works 2 expansions in front of live. That would mean 10.0-3 would be dealing with that sword and most likely the Void.

    If there is a time shift, that means we need to pay attention to who comes to the shadowlands with us. Jaina, Anduin, Thrall, (insert mortals-anything but an troll//undead/elf/draenei) will age if not in SL. From the comic, Anduin is an old man. This would mean we might see mortals randomly pop up in the Shadowlands. Might be a 9.3 moment where we get aid from "champions" who died during the time spent in Shadowlands.

    This makes me question why Tyrande is confirmed in SL. She's already immortal in the sense of aging slowly. They spent time on Jaina, so if she doesn't come with us, she'll surely die off. Then there's bringing Thrall back into the picture, if he doesn't come, he'll be dead too. Also can't forget the entire Horde council - most of them age and will look entirely different if we jump to Anduin being an old man.

    I have a feeling if they don't fill in the plot holes, the story is going to become an extreme mess. I can already see 10.0 being the Dragon Isles/Void Expansion with Chromie taking us back to see what happened while we were in SL. I hope not, it's better to just leave characters dead. I can also see Wrathion/Ebonhorn having a ties to the Dragon Isles and the Void corrupting them.

    i think in the "macro" storytelling, it can line up and seem cool. I think the loose ends will be too hard to wrap up.
    We still haven't dealt with the Infinite Dragonflights yet, expecting probably a time change/dragon themed xpansion, cata 2.0 prolly.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Athredas View Post
    Except that our character can walk between "real" world and Shadowlands and it's explained in-game, so time skip makes no sense unless something goes down in the final raid.
    Wasn't that being able to walk between the Maw and the rest of Shadowlands, as once in the Maw no one can escape but we gain the power to.

  9. #149
    If we’ll ever see a revamp of ALL the old zones, it will be for 11.0 when the game will achieve the 20 years milestone. The work to do is overwhelming, if they really have this idea I hope they started working on it yesterday.
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  10. #150
    They said the same thing about argus, which explained why it was a Thousand year war, and look where that ended up going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protar95 View Post
    They don't necessarily have to kill off all the characters who stay behind. 10.0 could feature a mix of new heroes and older characters who have aged.

    The Humans would be lead by an old and wise Anduin.
    As the two immortal leaders of the Alliance, Tyrande and Velen will still lead their people.
    Dagran will be of age and leading the Dwarves.
    Mekkatorque is old already so I expect he'd die of old age during the skip. A good chance to bring in a new Gnome hero.
    Genn will have passed away as well, leaving Tess in charge of the Worgen.
    The Tushui are lead by an older Aysa Cloudsinger

    On the Horde:

    Durak, son of Thrall leads the Orcs while his father wanders the earth as a wise and ancient shaman.
    Baine is the ancient leader of the Tauren and spiritual leader of the Horde.
    Lor'themar is immortal and Lillian Voss probably isn't going anywhere soon either.
    Gazlowe has just been instated as a new goblin leader and is well liked so I can see him sticking around.
    I can see a new hero leading the Trolls as currently they don't have much a leader.
    I think a new leader for the Huojin Pandaren would work as well - the Huojin Pandaren work best with a young hotheaded leader.
    zappy boi 4 darkspear leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    They said the same thing about argus, which explained why it was a Thousand year war, and look where that ended up going.
    Actually, it just explained how Turalyon had lived to be a thousand without dying, actually.

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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Not A Cat View Post
    I hope they don't go the "distant future" route, but maybe instead it's a few decades later and the world has mostly recovered from the Cataclysm. Portals to main cities could simply just be for gameplay and not necessarily in the story. I think it would be a neat idea that these legendary heroes "die" and Azeroth evolves without them. Then when we come back Captain America style we could go back to being adventurers and not CHAHMPYUHNS
    We are currently around year 33-34, 13-14 years of world of warcraft. Depending on how they take it, we might come back and see Anduin as an old man. Next expansion might be the void lord expansion if this is the case, or we’ll have another filler expansion then the void lord expansion.

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  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightstalker View Post
    I would rather interpret it as the exact opposite. 2 years of Shadowlands aren't getting us 30 years ahead or so. You are constantly going back n forth via portals. These progression steps would need to be reflected every major Patch. It's more likely that just because Kael'thas died 12 years ago he doesn't have to have been in SL for the equivalent of 12 years.

    But then again, some people only hear what they want to hear.
    That's not how time works in WoW though.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by pfbe View Post
    It's most likely that Ion's comment only impacts the story during and coming-out-of Shadowlands, not the rest of the game. It would be quite the waste for them to implement Chromie leveling, only to render it moot by pulling a Cataclysm revamp yet again.
    Well since you can choose, it'd just be an additional option at level 10, not a substitute. 0-10 would still be the exile's reach or og starting zone.

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  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Protar95 View Post
    I don't really understand what you're saying. Why are you talking about "chasing people across timelines?" It's really quite simple:

    a.) We enter the Shadowlands
    b.) Throughout the expansion our characters move back and forth between the shadowlands and Azeroth and for a while we're fortunate enough that time moves at a 1:1 ratio.
    c.) 10.0 comes around, our heroes leave the shadowlands once more. This time, far more time has passed on Azeroth.


    This makes perfect sense to me. Sometimes time in the Shadowlands moves at the same rate as Azeroth, sometimes faster, sometimes slower.
    Why would we go back? Knowing we can't GET back, and that going back has a chance to throw us even further into the future, why would we do it again?

    This is what I mean by 'chasing people across timelines.' If we choose to stay in alternate-future Azeroth, it's not because we're stuck - It's because we've chosen NOT to go back to the Shadowlands, knowing we can't get back to our time. Knowing we could be flung into some far off future with no way of predicting when we arrive if we do it again, there is absolutely no reason we would CONTINUE TO DO SO.

    Thus, the only reason we WOULD go back to the Shadowlands, is if the next big bad used the Shadowlands to go to a different timeline. Thus, chasing the next big bad across timelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    You forgot possibility four, which is that time goes backwards in the Shadowlands.

    For example, rather than souls getting reborn into new lives, each soul could be damned to an infinite chain of life and afterlife, forever being reborn as themselves in an unending, cursed cycle of fate-ordained fuckery.

    A prison, if you will.
    Which has no story potential. They most certainly aren't going to make us start again at level 1. They most certainly aren't going to keep us there, so we'll be resolving that 'crisis' by the end of the expansion. So there's no story to tell of us being 'trapped' because by the end of the expansion, we will not be trapped anymore.

    Or maybe this is their way of introducing New Game+. The feature not a single person has ever asked for in WoW, since you can New Game+ by... making a new class.

    More importantly, we'd need to meet people who haven't died yet, since time in the Shadowlands is backwards - We shouldn't meet people who have died, and should meet people who haven't - The moment their soul 'arrives' from Azeroth, it's storyline would continue backwards from there in the Shadowlands, not forwards.
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  18. #158
    Like the idea of revaming kalimdor and ek and removing all links to all expansions and moving them to caverns of time.

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    I don't think it means a timeskip. I think us beating the Jailer will undo everything the Jailer did, and revert the world all the way back to the day Sylvanas died, but this time the Val'Kyr aren't there to save her. Everything after that sort of skips ahead, and everything plays out just like it would, up until the same amount of time happens. Including our heroes, but we have no memory of it. For JoJo fans, just imagine everything from the end of Wrath to the beginning of Shadowlands, however many years that was, was erased by King Crimson. People who died are alive, people who are alive have died, the Legion and N'zoth are threats again, and we apparently still fought and beat Deathwing, though.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry123 View Post
    what did ion really say? who watched stream?
    translation into text always sucks and causes overhype
    The question asked was:

    It looks like time runs differently in the Shadowlands than in Azeroth. Maybe that's why Uther, Kael'thas and other characters have been there for ages when it has been just a few years on Azeroth.

    How does time go by in Shadowlands and what does that mean for our characters?

    Ion's answer was:

    "The answer is complicated. It's not like some science fiction movies where in a black hole or something time just moves faster, but time is different in Shadowlands. Time is a construct of order and structure and things in the Shadowlands are a lot more chaotic in a lot of ways. Think about how time moves in a dream to some extent. Where there isn't necessarily a fixed amount of time and things can bounce around. So the souls that have been in the Shadowlands, to them it might feel like they've been here for a very, very long time as they thought of their own personal journeys or discovery and evolution but it's not necessarily a, you know 3x faster or 10x faster. Time is different and what does that mean for our characters? Well, that's something we'll have to see as we come out the other end of this experience"

    It doesn't sound like there has to be a timeskip. It might feel like an eternity but it doesn't mean that an eternity of time has passed. Uther has already earned his wings which is said to take hundreds of years but his soul entered the Shadowlands after we killed the Arthas so for Uther time passed a lot slower. For other characters, like the one from the DK questline in Legion, who entered the Shadowlands at about the same time as Uther, felt like just months passed instead of years. So for him time passed a lot faster. Could be we enter the Shadowlands and when we return just minutes or years have passed on Azeroth.

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