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  1. #201
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    What I don't like about bellular is how he kinda feels... Idk, fake is a strong word but I don't know what else to call it.

    It's just this ability to say that something really sucks or is really cool with always the same face and voice. Sometimes it's painfully obvious he's just reading a script.
    WoW became just a source of income to him and you can tell.

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    I used to follow multiple WoW YouTubers, but they basically all speak about the same things, so now I stick with Kelani (and sometimes Preach). Kelani has a nice, soothing voice, perfect to listen to in the background.
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing...

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    When are you considered high profile?
    Just to know, for no particular reason c:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I used to follow multiple WoW YouTubers, but they basically all speak about the same things, so now I stick with Kelani (and sometimes Preach). Kelani has a nice, soothing voice, perfect to listen to in the background.
    I can't stand either of them.

    But each to their own I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illander View Post
    When are you considered high profile?
    Just to know, for no particular reason c:
    When people on MMO-Champion hate your guts.

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    FML then, my only thread here was about finding the Jailer, Arbiter and Runesage and it seems that people kinda loved that lol

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post

    Back then we players, we members of the forum are the voice. Icefrog listens, and he implements unlike now..
    They listen for sure, but if they did "implement it" they would have to remove flying and LFR and LFD but then not to remove it at the same time. Make raids hard again, but then implement easy modes again. Make leveling a main part of the game again but make it really fast too. Give people content, but not let them grind. Give casuals good gear but then not give them good loot because "they don't deserve it". I mean I love new shadow priest but a ton of people hate it. So you might say, ok, we will remove LFR. That will piss of 40% of the playerbase but we will have 60% of players who are engaged and loyal, then you remove something else - it will piss another fraction off, and another and another. There are groups of people saying that m+ is ruining the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I used to follow multiple WoW YouTubers, but they basically all speak about the same things, so now I stick with Kelani (and sometimes Preach). Kelani has a nice, soothing voice, perfect to listen to in the background.
    SignsofKelani are releasing good episode very much relevant to what's happening recently.another YT channel I check often is MrGM, The Lost Codex for lore crash course, the rest I discover for myself are budding YT channels but have the footages I am looking for which I usually share on my post here for the community to diacuss,ofcourse that is all without monetizing anything because in here we're all equal and the same, at a certain degree.
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  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Icathian View Post
    Streamers are unironically the best thing we have to make game companies actually give a shit about our opinion.

    Let's say blizzard designs a very bad raid. It's just bad. Everyone knows it's bad. There are tons of detailed, technical posts about how bad it is in the forums. What happens? Blizzard ignores them.

    Now what if a streamer makes a video or whatever about how bad the raid is? There are potential millions of people watching. Gaming sites talking about it with headlines like "Find out why Mr.streamer hates the new raid". Blizzard will fix it asap.

    Can the streamers become arrogant and stupid? Yes. But they want to maintain their status, so they're forced to listen to their fans if they wanna stay relevant.

    So yes, it sucks, I wish things could be better but this is what we have at the moment.
    Totally disagree. Most streamers don't give a shit about your opinion. They are more interested in the stream, don't ask meaningful questions which can bring about change or rational discussion. Streamers are worse than youtubers in this regard. At least on youtube, unless disabled, the comments can bring discussion, thoughts and arguments that can be read and archived.

    If streamers listened and then regurgitated information exchanges between themselves and viewers on meaningful topics that is all they would have time to do, nothing else. Youtubers are folks that can bring sway with large fan bases, steamers are for entertainment value for the most part exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    They listen for sure, but if they did "implement it" they would have to remove flying and LFR and LFD but then not to remove it at the same time. Make raids hard again, but then implement easy modes again. Make leveling a main part of the game again but make it really fast too. Give people content, but not let them grind. Give casuals good gear but then not give them good loot because "they don't deserve it". I mean I love new shadow priest but a ton of people hate it. So you might say, ok, we will remove LFR. That will piss of 40% of the playerbase but we will have 60% of players who are engaged and loyal, then you remove something else - it will piss another fraction off, and another and another. There are groups of people saying that m+ is ruining the game.
    Wow really didn't take the route he described in his post, the devs do their own thing. About the only feed back wow uses from any sources are like he said 3rd party, PTR or alpha/beta. And in that case they don't ask, they pool information. With the wow community things I feel Blizz does poorly are things which are considered "must" for character progression. I have seen the tired argument of "well you don't really have to do that, it's marginal this or that" but you kind of do. Even at a semi-casual game play status you want the same things everyone else has. Making players participate in game modes they have no interest in will always be a bad idea.

    But how they figure out people are unhappy with decisions they make currently I think falls on the $ gain or lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InflaterMouse View Post
    Making players participate in game modes they have no interest in will always be a bad idea.

    But how they figure out people are unhappy with decisions they make currently I think falls on the $ gain or lost.
    Thing is - this RPG genre heritage, you will gain advantage when you do participate in all of the content. You PvP and PvE you will have advantage on anyone who only does one of these. You farm M+? you will have advantage over people who only do one a week.
    I hated agility leveling in Runescape, but I had to do it. Same in Lineage. Different activities fall perfectly inline where you do game modes which do not influence one another. LoL - ARAM/Twisted/Classic/dominion or whatever that was. CoD - zombie, campaign, TD and so on. It's a short game where you choose to play that only.
    WoW was the closest to this in legion with BG's being template stats. It could have been the same in TBC with resilience gear, but then again, you meet people out in the world who don't play that mode and you have advantage over them. The only way to make people to not have to do something - not let them interact with players who do that activity remove any influence that their uncommon activities have (give them templates) and only leave the common things (talents/spells)

  11. #211
    MrGM is my favorite WoW YouTuber. No bullshit, no random conjecture rants, no opinion, just awesome showcase and discussion of new content. Only puts new content out when there's something new worth talking about, Bellular would have made 8 filler pieces in the same timeframe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    MrGM is my favorite WoW YouTuber. No bullshit, no random conjecture rants, no opinion, just awesome showcase and discussion of new content. Only puts new content out when there's something new worth talking about, Bellular would have made 8 filler pieces in the same timeframe.
    MrGM isn't primaliry a YouTuber then. If he can afford not toupload when there is no new things on PTR, he has other primary spurce of income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    MrGM is my favorite WoW YouTuber. No bullshit, no random conjecture rants, no opinion, just awesome showcase and discussion of new content. Only puts new content out when there's something new worth talking about, Bellular would have made 8 filler pieces in the same timeframe.
    MrGM isn't primaliry a YouTuber then. If he can afford not toupload when there is no new things on PTR, he has other primary source of income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    MrGM isn't primaliry a YouTuber then. If he can afford not toupload when there is no new things on PTR, he has other primary spurce of income.

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    MrGM isn't primaliry a YouTuber then. If he can afford not toupload when there is no new things on PTR, he has other primary source of income.
    Not all YouTubers monetize and capitulate the money making scheme YT has to offer. Others just enjoy what they do out of passion and probably are still in an infant stage of amassing followers, then they may finally decide to monetize while others receive donations or sponsorship to support their cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    You, on the other hand, seem totally stable and not at all emotional.
    his assessment ain't all that off lol

  15. #215
    I never thought I would say it, but I've come to believe that Asmongold is now the most reasonable and fair WoW content creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Hahaha. This is just objectively not true, and it's the entire reason I went from watching 100% of Preach videos to 0%. He made a video at the beginning of BFA accusing everyone else of "rewriting history" by saying that Legiondaries weren't amazing. In that video, he said that when he got his Sephuz he was happy with it even though it wasn't his BiS, because he could "make decisions around it" - except that when he got Sephuz, it was literally broken in raids because it only applied on hard CC, which bosses are obviously immune to. He also regularly complained in Legion that his mage was completely useless bench material because he didn't have bracers, but once BFA rolled around that wasn't a problem and never happened.

    That single video completely destroyed all respect I had for him because he completely ignored reality in favour of going along with the herd mentality of "azerite sucks and everything we had before was better". In Legion he made videos about how his own fucking raid team were rerolling alts of the same class as their mains because they got "bad" legendaries, then BFA rolls around and he said that never happened and it was just some drama that people made up. If you're still a fan of his even though he has no integrity whatsoever, more power to you. He and Bellular have both just completely jumped the shark in my opinion and turned into money hungry "haters".
    Go watch the video again. He’s refuting the point the Legion legendaries were boring, and nothing else. And indeed, they weren’t boring, it’s their method of acquisition that was awful. But that wasn’t the point of the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by experimentOne View Post
    I never thought I would say it, but I've come to believe that Asmongold is now the most reasonable and fair WoW content creator.
    The obnoxious, basementdweller who lives in a litteral trashheap and eats maggots? Yikes....

  18. #218
    Welcome to Influencer Culture.

    It wasn't always like this. Time was, you did stuff and determined if you liked it. Websites existed, but we're mostly for looking up quests and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    The obnoxious, basementdweller who lives in a litteral trashheap and eats maggots? Yikes....
    A lot of the obnoxiousness is just a bit, and it's a bit that he does less and less every stream. If you watch some of his YouTube videos where he discusses WoW, especially the more recent ones, you can see he's got some really reasonable takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyrinx View Post
    Welcome to Influencer Culture.

    It wasn't always like this. Time was, you did stuff and determined if you liked it. Websites existed, but we're mostly for looking up quests and whatnot.
    Yup ten years ago every human being (except you of course) collectively forgot how to think for themselves.

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