Another controversial thread

[Freighter]

First off, I think begging should be banned.

Why are foreign people even allowed to come to your country and beg for money? Does your country not have any requirements that people provide for themselves or forbids them from earning money unless they have a work visa or something? If it does, why are they not being deported for being in violation and banned from coming back?

Prostitution should be banned. It's among he more trashy things that a person can do. Paying for a prostitute is a step worse than being a prostitute though.

[Mihalik]

Wanting to ban prostitution between consenting, unexploited adults is not very libertarian, quite the contrary in fact, but I don't see how that makes him a Nazi. If you were able to quote where exactly he said Nazi things, that'd be interesting.

I have been twice infracted for referring to his post history. To my amazement it's apparently no longer allowed to refer to the record of certain people if their post record has a "certain political flavor" let's call it.

[Strawberry]

First off, I think begging should be banned.

Why are foreign people even allowed to come to your country and beg for money? Does your country not have any requirements that people provide for themselves or forbids them from earning money unless they have a work visa or something? If it does, why are they not being deported for being in violation and banned from coming back?

Prostitution should be banned. It's among he more trashy things that a person can do. Paying for a prostitute is a step worse than being a prostitute though.

EU is very diverse.
There are very rich countries like, say Germany and Austria, and then there are "middle ground" like Croatia, Poland, etc. And then there are really poor countries like Romania and Bulgaria.
That's usually where the beggars come from. EU citizens cannot be deported as far as I know.

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I have been twice infracted for referring to his post history. To my amazement it's apparently no longer allowed to refer to the record of certain people if their post record has a "certain political flavor" let's call it.



Brand new rule to me.

Hey, I never reported you. You didn't bother me that much.

[Freighter]

EU is very diverse.
There are very rich countries like, say Germany and Austria, and then there are "middle ground" like Croatia, Poland, etc. And then there are really poor countries like Romania and Bulgaria.
That's usually where the beggars come from. EU citizens cannot be deported as far as I know.

Cannot be deported? What the actual fuck? You should just bar them from entry if you're not allowed to deport them if they're not abiding the rules to stay in the country. I'm assuming you have some sort of requirement on people that are going there, like visitors can't earn money or that people who come there to earn money must be able to provide for themselves and so on. If not, what is your country even doing?

[arguingdave]

Because humans are stupid. I address this in my recent thread about how stupid we are. Another point I make probably relates to this too that anytime anyone wants to do anything about anything, it takes months or years to get a single common sense law in place. Like I said, humans are stupid.

[Aurgjelme]

First off, I think begging should be banned.

Why are foreign people even allowed to come to your country and beg for money? Does your country not have any requirements that people provide for themselves or forbids them from earning money unless they have a work visa or something? If it does, why are they not being deported for being in violation and banned from coming back?

Prostitution should be banned. It's among he more trashy things that a person can do. Paying for a prostitute is a step worse than being a prostitute though.

In some EU countries like Denmark, its illegal, they dont have the same amount of problems like other nations. Although aggressive begging is illegal in just about every country. It still happens every summer when the gypsies come north to beg. They often target older people and harass them, even in their homes.

[Strawberry]

Strawberry constantly whines about the country he lives in (note: not the city, but the whole country, I left Seattle after all), so it's normal to ask why hasn't he moved.

And actually, I feel like I have let quite a bit of stuff unsaid and that generally, people might think that I absolutely hate Sweden.
I don't hate Sweden.
I think it's probably one of the best countries you can live in. If you don't mind the weather. And of course, if you're dirty rich, the US is a better place.

Scandinavia is beautiful, but mainly northern Sweden and Norway. I haven't been to other Scandinavian countries. There's plenty to love here.
But for people like me, it's a hard place to live in.
It's complicated. I have a love-hate relationship with the country.

[Stelio Kontos]

And actually, I feel like I have let quite a bit of stuff unsaid and that generally, people might think that I absolutely hate Sweden.
I don't hate Sweden.
I think it's probably one of the best countries you can live in. If you don't mind the weather. And of course, if you're dirty rich, the US is a better place.

Scandinavia is beautiful, but mainly northern Sweden and Norway. I haven't been to other Scandinavian countries. There's plenty to love here.
But for people like me, it's a hard place to live in.
It's complicated. I have a love-hate relationship with the country.

I get that, it's the same with me and the US. There's stuff I like, and stuff I really don't. I totally get you on that.

[Strawberry]

Cannot be deported? What the actual fuck? You should just bar them from entry if you're not allowed to deport them if they're not abiding the rules to stay in the country. I'm assuming you have some sort of requirement on people that are going there, like visitors can't earn money or that people who come there to earn money must be able to provide for themselves and so on. If not, what is your country even doing?

Silly girl, you can't stop people from coming in :P
As long as they are EU citizens.
They are allowed to work. It's not guaranteed, and of course, very hard if you don't speak the language, but if someone from EU wants to come and beg in Sweden, no one's gonna stop them.

Although, some cities have forbidden begging. It's not wide and I don't think it's even more than like, 5 smaller cities in the whole country.

[Aurgjelme]

Cannot be deported? What the actual fuck? You should just bar them from entry if you're not allowed to deport them if they're not abiding the rules to stay in the country. I'm assuming you have some sort of requirement on people that are going there, like visitors can't earn money or that people who come there to earn money must be able to provide for themselves and so on. If not, what is your country even doing?

If the locals are allowed to beg, which they are, then other EU citizens will be too. But aggressive begging is not tolerated and is illegal.

[Strawberry]

I get that, it's the same with me and the US. There's stuff I like, and stuff I really don't. I totally get you on that.

Cool

10char

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If the locals are allowed to beg, which they are, then other EU citizens will be too. But aggressive begging is not tolerated and is illegal.

I actually have yet to see any aggressive beggars. The most aggression I have seen is some old guy shaking his cup when I was walking into a store, lol.
But of course, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Aurgjelme]

Cool

10char

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I actually have yet to see any aggressive beggars. The most aggression I have seen is some old guy shaking his cup when I was walking into a store, lol.
But of course, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Really? The worst I can think of was a romani who walked around apartments in my village and tried to sell flowers to people. Which is fine in its own, but when he encountered older lonely people ( my grandmother being one) he would force his way in and demand they buy it before he would leave.
I worked in a institution taking care of special needs people who lived in own apartments back then and caught him in one of the apartments trying to make easy money of one of the inhabitants. So I escorted the man of the premise and made it clear he was not welcome. He was later caught by the police, and I found out about my grandmother etc.

Other times would be beggars coming up to you while out drinking asking for money and following you.When you deny them they would often spit at you.

It's these thing that are usually considered aggressive organized begging.

[announced]

Freighter has the right idea. Begging should be banned, it's similar to harassment. Beggars can be kicked outside the city or should be deported. Give them a good thrashing as well.

Or we could setup begging zones in a specific area of the city near a charity building or something, although that may exacerbate the problem.

[Strawberry]

Really? The worst I can think of was a romani who walked around apartments in my village and tried to sell flowers to people. Which is fine in its own, but when he encountered older lonely people ( my grandmother being one) he would force his way in and demand they buy it before he would leave.
I worked in a institution taking care of special needs people who lived in own apartments back then and caught him in one of the apartments trying to make easy money of one of the inhabitants. So I escorted the man of the premise and made it clear he was not welcome. He was later caught by the police, and I found out about my grandmother etc.

Other times would be beggars coming up to you while out drinking asking for money and following you.When you deny them they would often spit at you.

It's these thing that are usually considered aggressive organized begging.

I have experience with that, but not in Sweden. I don't live in a big city though, I guess that's where the worst happens.

[Coolthulhu]

I have been twice infracted for referring to his post history. To my amazement it's apparently no longer allowed to refer to the record of certain people if their post record has a "certain political flavor" let's call it.

Not what I asked. What I asked was what made you brand Strawberry as a Nazi (twice), because he didn't say anything to suggest he's one.

I actually have yet to see any aggressive beggars. The most aggression I have seen is some old guy shaking his cup when I was walking into a store, lol.
But of course, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Consider yourself lucky then, the situation here (i.e. big city, haven't seen this sort of thing in smaller town either) got so critical pre-pandemic that police had to be stationed 24/7 outside major supermarkets and parking lots because people were getting regularly harassed and often even assaulted by beggars.

[Flarelaine]

There is nothing forbidding people from asking beggars to do something for money. I could tell a beggar to kiss my feet and I'll give him money. That would be legal.

As well as disgusting.